Jump cancelled grab from laser

[knightpraetor]

So lately i've been picking up falco again when i'm not playing ness...and i've improved a little at lasering..so I can sorta get the proper timing on the fastfall for the laser.

Back when i was too slow at it i would end up hitting down too late..meaning thta by the time falco landed, the control stick still wasn't returning from the down position, therefore i could not immediately grab.

so someone suggested i should jump cancel into a grab....now i grant that that works, but i'm wondering if i should kick the habit now.

Doesn't falco have a slow jump..won't i lose a few frames of time by doing a jump-cancelled grab instead of a normal grab?

This comes up because i started jump cancelling a lot of my grabs..and i was wondering if my shffled fair with pikachu to jump cancelled grab was allowing the opponent to act during the jump time.

 

[ChRed2AKrisp]

no, the grab can happen anytime before you leave the ground, so you can cancel it only 1 frame after you begin to jump. That's not enough for your opponent to take advantage of.

For instance, people use to pillaring to keep opponents in the shield. There actually is a time when falco is vunerable on the ground, but it's so short that no human can take advantage of that.

 

[knightpraetor]

but i'm wondering if that one frame is enough to make a difference...because there are already a few frames they can act in i assume from the laser.

So if i laser them, i assume it takes a few frames to land..and during that time if the stun from the laser wears off they can start a grab, which will take 4 frames to complete i think.

So i'm wondering if they can or can't act between the time the laser hits them and the time i grab

 

[ChRed2AKrisp]

no. they still can't. the laser stun is long enough that the very little time they have to act can't be humanly reacated to with a fast enough attack, or any thing other that holding L, which you'll be able to grab them through. It's not a problem. I use it all the time.

 

[quak]

no man, you can SHL them and then grab them. I've done it before. It works, if you can't do it, it's not the frames that are making you too slow, it's your fingers.

 

[radical00edward]

i usually spike them then when they try to attack recover, i dodge and then grab..