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Jiggz Help

Driz

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I have a friend that mains Jiggly and although I can beat him and have more technical skill he still gives me a hard time. My main problem is he either jumps over my lasers and catches me in my missed hits or he does his charge and for some reason I panic and can never catch him with laser before he gets me(plz don't comment on my nubiness) , besides getting my SHL lower for the charge are there any suggestion ppl can give to beat a Jiggly?? --- He also doesn't have much technical skill but he is decent with mind games

Any help is appreciated, and apologize if there was a jiggly thread already didn't see any

I was also wondering If any one could give me advice to help out my mind games because I fell like Im lacking them and thats why I have trouble versus my Jiggly firend
 

Sliq

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Falco can wreck Jiggs if you keep pressuring him with lasers. If he gets above the lasers, do not keep lasering. Your lasers will be too low, and he will just float right over them and bust you in the chin. If he goes above your lasers, either dash dance and see what he does, or charge him with a full jump nair. Falco's jump is so fast that he won't have time to react, and the only way you'll get hit is if he knows this is coming and starts a fair before you jump. That is why you sometimes dash dance, to throw him off.

If you pressure a Jiggs into their shield, you should shl towards them, stop right in front of them, just out of their shield range, and see what they do. If you are consistently approaching with shl to grab or pillar, and if you are not getting shield grabbed, their only options are to get grabbed, get pillared, or roll. If the try to jump out of shield, the laser will stun their shield long enough for you to be able to pwn them.

Now, if they roll, since you stopped in front of them you should be able to chase them. More than likely they will try and roll behind, and if they do, turn around laser to whatever you want. If they roll away, just continue your laser approach.

If the Jiggs starts charging the neutral b, just jump to a platform, if there are any, and then mindgame him into releasing it by running off the ledge then jumping, or any combination where you approach the floor, but then jump away before landing. If you don't have platforms, laser him. And if he is barreling towards you, just shield. You can shield 2 hits of it, then jump out of shield, and you'll be fine, because by the time you land after jumping out of your shield, rollout will be over.

I can not emphasize this enough: spike Jiggs with the dair. Jiggs can not sweet spot the edge without either doing rollout (which means you just jump out and get hit by it, and the Jiggs will spin to her doom) or sing. Sing is extremely risky for a Jiggs to do, because it is relatively hard to sweet spot with it (coming from below the stage). If they try to do the stall, and come above the stage with the sing, then you dair them to oblivion.

If they try to go high above you, utilize Falco's jumps (the highest jumps in the game) to position yourself above the Jiggs for a dair, or just mindgame them into attacking first, then bust her in the lip.

If you get off of the ledge, try not to up b, as you are basically helpless now. Your best bet is to sweet spot the over b, or go above the Jiggs with the over b. you just have to continually mix it up, because Falco's recovery gets ***** by Jiggs.

Don't miss l-cancels, or you're getting rested.

Learn to DI, or you're getting rested.

You have to be patient when fighting Jiggs, because all of your hard work can go down the drain with one rest.
 

Driz

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Thanks man those were perfect anwsers, I'll definately take those and own my friend, lol!
 

0rion

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Well he much put everything nicely. I don't get though why u would $truggle again$t a Jiggly u$er. $ound$ like u need a $en$ai. Li$ten up, ju$t u$e crafty Reflector linker$ to your heart$ content and link them up for big damage. U gotta u$e your imagination and you'll do fine.
 

tarheeljks

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Well he much put everything nicely. I don't get though why u would $truggle again$t a Jiggly u$er. $ound$ like u need a $en$ai. Li$ten up, ju$t u$e crafty Reflector linker$ to your heart$ content and link them up for big damage. U gotta u$e your imagination and you'll do fine.
falco has an even matchup against jiggly, so some struggles are to be expected.
 

0rion

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Is your S key broken? Cause thats annoying
That$ the $econd time $omeone ha$ a$ked me that que$tion. It'$ glitchy, but it'$ not broke, the 's' key that i$. There'$ your an$wer.

And to the guy that po$ted above you, yeah I gue$$ your right cuz. $till man, I have yet to ever lo$e to a hardcore Jigg$ u$er. I mean they've come clo$e to handin me my fir$t defeat, but that'$ it.
 

invertigo

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so you use $ just cuz you think its cool/unique then?

i hate jiggs as well. he doesnt need much tech skill to be good.
 

Sliq

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That$ the $econd time $omeone ha$ a$ked me that que$tion. It'$ glitchy, but it'$ not broke, the 's' key that i$. There'$ your an$wer.

And to the guy that po$ted above you, yeah I gue$$ your right cuz. $till man, I have yet to ever lo$e to a hardcore Jigg$ u$er. I mean they've come clo$e to handin me my fir$t defeat, but that'$ it.
You obviously have not played me. ;P

so you use $ just cuz you think its cool/unique then?

i hate jiggs as well. he doesnt need much tech skill to be good.
Are you drunk? Anyone who plays Jiggly needs tech skill if they are going to have any hope of beating a good Fox, otherwise he's going to u-throw u-air you all day. It is a grabfest for characters against a non l-canceling Jiggs.

Trust me, I used to main Falco, and then switched to Jiggs. Almost all high tier character grabs **** Jiggs, so not l-canceling isn't an option.

I would agree that Jiggs is less technical than other characters, but you most certainly still need tech skill to play her effectively.
 

xelad1

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if you've never lost to a jiggs, then you probably haven't played a good/decent one. it's not an easy matchup.
its not a terribly hard match up either if you know what your doing. If you play jiggs in a nubby falco hyper aggressive style (which is how I kind of sum up everyone who learns falco's advanced techs for the first time and wants to be like bombsoldier or something...) then yes you will get destroyed. Really though if you know how to space around jiggs and keep her at bay and pick your hits then its not as big of a deal. I find playing a good marth, fox, and sometimes peach to be much more challenging, not getting grabbed by jiggs isn't that hard.

anywho it definitely isn't falcos EASIEST matchup but its not as bad as you make it sound, though I suppose I would rather counterpick jiggs as marth or even fox because im lazy.
 

shadenexus18

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if you've never lost to a jiggs, then you probably haven't played a good/decent one. it's not an easy matchup.
Incorrect sir! My bro Orion and I have went up against plently of Jiggly players, and we have yet to lose to any so called "good" Jiggly veterans. Do you really want to face the wrath of our Falco's? If you're interested then PM me. I'm serious bro.....very serious.

Well on Smash 64, besides the fact that Jiggly skyrocketed into the sunset at 60 % damage, Jiggly's combos were impressive especially her Aerial Down A, Down B Combo "Drill Kick Rest Combo." Still, we have yet to lose to a Jiggly player......ever.
 

Driz

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if your saying just on 64 thats one thing but Jiggly versus Falco in melee is a more difficult match up and i've been having a much easier time since although my friend hasn't been working on getting better I still see the difference
 

JesiahTEG

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Incorrect sir! My bro Orion and I have went up against plently of Jiggly players, and we have yet to lose to any so called "good" Jiggly veterans. Do you really want to face the wrath of our Falco's? If you're interested then PM me. I'm serious bro.....very serious.

Well on Smash 64, besides the fact that Jiggly skyrocketed into the sunset at 60 % damage, Jiggly's combos were impressive especially her Aerial Down A, Down B Combo "Drill Kick Rest Combo." Still, we have yet to lose to a Jiggly player......ever.
Have you played magus? his jiggs is really good!!
 

Mogwai

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Have you played magus? his jiggs is really good!!
Magus's Jiggs is significantly better than just really good. He's certainly the best Jiggs I've ever played against and easily the best rest comboer I've ever seen including videos. That being said, I still was able to hold my own against him in friendlies, despite being fresh to the advanced level of the game...

This matchup is in Falco's favor, not by a lot, but by enough that the Jiggs needs to be significantly better to win consistantly. I put it at 60/40. Space well, ***** the laser to keep them low and make them work for the their kills and you'll do fine.
 

shadenexus18

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Have you played magus? his jiggs is really good!!
I've heard of him, but sadly never had the opportunity to play him to see how my skills stack up against his even though I see myself as the victor of every single match that we have whether he picks Jiggly or whatever other character. I'm that confident, and I back up my confidence with sweet skills.
 

invertigo

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Are you drunk? Anyone who plays Jiggly needs tech skill if they are going to have any hope of beating a good Fox, otherwise he's going to u-throw u-air you all day. It is a grabfest for characters against a non l-canceling Jiggs.

Trust me, I used to main Falco, and then switched to Jiggs. Almost all high tier character grabs **** Jiggs, so not l-canceling isn't an option.

I would agree that Jiggs is less technical than other characters, but you most certainly still need tech skill to play her effectively.
i would like to point out that in the last sentence you effectively AGREED with my statement. you must be drunk.
 

Sliq

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i would like to point out that in the last sentence you effectively AGREED with my statement. you must be drunk.
Actually, you said she doesn't need MUCH tech skill. I said she doesn't need AS MUCH as other characters (Fox, for example) but she still needs it.

I consider spacing a part of tech skill, because I define tech skill as your ability to control your character. So, by my definition, you need tech skill to play as Jiggs. L-canceling isn't as vital as with other characters, but it still is important.

I've heard of him, but sadly never had the opportunity to play him to see how my skills stack up against his even though I see myself as the victor of every single match that we have whether he picks Jiggly or whatever other character. I'm that confident, and I back up my confidence with sweet skills.
Do said skills pay the bills?
 
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