Jigglymaster's 5th B move Theory

[Jigglymaster]

Okay, after seeing today's update I thought over the day that each character will have one Extra B move. For example 1 of the B moves will be different in Air, in this case its Mario's Down B. His air Down B should be the Mario tornado and the ground down b is the Fludd attack. This can also explain how Yoshi has a third jump in this game. In Yoshi's case Yoshi had 2 up B attacks. Egg throw on the ground, and some recovery move in the air. Makes sense right? The 5th b move will only replace 1 of the B moves in the air. Mario's is Down B and Yoshi's is up B. You can also imagnine other characters b moves being changed in air/ground. Some easy ones they would replace would be the ones that were usless or didn't even have a down b in the air such as DK and Peach's Down B in Air and Jigglypuff's Up B in air and Kirby's Down B on the ground. This is a list of whos b Moves I think will change and become the new 5th b move.

Mario - Down B on Ground
Yoshi - Up B in Air
Kirby - Down B on Ground
Jiggs - Up B in Air
DK - Down B in Air
Peach - Down B in Air
Luigi - Down B on Ground
Fox - B up on Ground
Ness - B down in Air
Falcon - Down B in Air
Bowser - Down B on Ground
Wario - Side B in Air
Samus- Up B on Ground

 

[MattNF]

Makes sense... although it's also possible that the Mario Tornado could replace one of his A moves.

 

[Johnnyboy99]

I don't know... plus many of those I still used in the air. :/

 

[Noshiee]

we already know that fox can use up B on the ground

 

[TheZizz]

Luigi's Down-B on the ground?? I will bid good day to you sir.

Specifics aside, your general idea is good. In Melee this is actually often the case with Kirby's side-B, Falcon's down-B, etc. but they are still recognized as the same move even though they perform very differently. I think it's important to keep things cohesive like that, and to avoid context-sensitive situations that lack a natural feel.

 

[Eszett]

The Pokemon Trainer update said a total of nine special moves spread across the three Pokemon. Since the Down Special Move is Pokemon Change, that means there is only room for three more B moves per Pokemon with the constraint of nine moves altogether.

And my goodness, I've been registered for over two years and this is my first post.

 

[Takeshi245]

This would be the case if Sakurai said that Mario's tornado move was Up-B in the air instead of a normal attack. Dair makes sense for Mario's tornado. There is no 5th B move for any character.

 

[lanky_gunner]

i agree with jigglymaster. i can't see the tornado being anything else but mario's down b in the air. for one thing, FLUDD wouldn't be a useful attack in the air anyway, and sakurai is sort of implying it's a ground based move (i.e. screenshots and he mentions charging in your shield, which can only be performed on the ground anyway). plus, i can't see it replacing any other aerial attacks, just because of how the move works. if it's a aerial down move, then what would be the point of sending the character to the sides or upwards? and we've already had glimpses of his other aerial attacks.

and this does help the theory of yoshi's recovery. i mean it would make sense to have the recovery only work in the air, cause what would the point of moving up be when you're on the ground?

i hope more updates will show more detail on this subject and i honestly hope it happens (cause i main mario and i don't like the idea of using FLUDD, because i love the tornado so much and i don't want to much to be switched around)

 

[Bahamut27]

Very good, but a dont want remove down + b of captain falcon... i love falcon kid because a can use other jump

 

[Takeshi245]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/mario/mario_070906d-l.jpg

He still seems to have this move, though.
Eh? Is it a normal attack?!-Smash Dojo

Don't you think that if this were a "fifth" B move, then he would've confirmed it by telling us instead of implying to us it's a normal move?

 

[jambre]

He still seems to have this move, though.
Eh? Is it a normal attack?!

marios tornado is now a standard attack, most likely down air

Among other things, he can now use his up special move, the Egg Toss, to increase the distance of his jump. That’s enough to earn him a hearty welcome, isn’t it?

his egg toss is used as 3rd jump

 

[Kentalish]

at the bottem of last pic answers ur question He still seems to have this move, though.
Eh? Is it a normal attack?!

 

[Makai]

EDIT: like 3 people just beat me to this lol

 

[uberpwnage43]

was also thinkin that characters may have 5 special moves. This is my theory: for mario, down B will be his tornado attack. But, pressing down B and holding it will charge up his fluud. Mayb an attack will differ depending if it is charged or not. If not, then mayb his tornado has become his down A

 

[tirkaro]

If not, then mayb his tornado has become his down A

mario tornado is an A attack. it says so right on the site -_-

 

[WarxePB]

NO.

Mario's Tornado will be one of his A moves, probably dair. I don't see why people are so desperate to keep it as down B. Does a single button make a whole lot of difference?

If anything, Mario's b-dair will be a hover ability like the one present in SMS.

 

[Joshua368]

Eh, I really don't like the idea of having two wildly seperate attacks for corresponding aerial and ground B attacks. Not only do I not like the idea of being limited with where I can use my attacks (except for logical ones like DK's Earthquake and Peach's Turnip), I think it'd be very confusing, expecially for the casual crowd Sakurai seems to be after.

 

[Xanderous]

Well it doesn't say it's his A move. In fact, it just asks a question, as if there's more to the story.

 

[heety9]

The Pokemon Trainer update said a total of nine special moves spread across the three Pokemon. Since the Down Special Move is Pokemon Change, that means there is only room for three more B moves per Pokemon with the constraint of nine moves altogether.

And my goodness, I've been registered for over two years and this is my first post.

That seems correct.

 

[Card]

Well it doesn't say it's his A move. In fact, it just asks a question, as if there's more to the story.

Quoted for Truth.





He still seems to have this move, though.
Eh? Is it a normal attack?!

No where there does it state "Mario Tornado is a normal attack" nor does it state anywhere that "Mario Tornado is performed with Down+A in the Air".


Many of you are extremely quick to make assumptions. two separate Down+B's (Aerial and Grounded) sounds like a completely legitimate theory, and I think you should not be so hasty to shut down the original poster.

 

[bluethree]

A dair that doesn't hit below you would be awful.

The site does NOT say that it's a normal attack. That statement could just as easily be Sakurai predicting what the reader may be thinking. It could also be his set-up for a future update. A rhetorical question posted on the blog doesn't confirm/deny anything.

 

[red stone]

true, mario would have no good downward approach if dair is tornado

 

[SiD]

Wrong, Sakurai always confirms things in the form of a rhetorical question. Go look for yourself if you don't believe me. It is a standard attack now, ****ing deal with it. I'm so sick of hearing "It's his Down B in the air".

It's not.

GTFO.

 

[TaurToph]

A dair that doesn't hit below you would be awful.

The site does NOT say that it's a normal attack. That statement could just as easily be Sakurai predicting what the reader may be thinking. It could also be his set-up for a future update. A rhetorical question posted on the blog doesn't confirm/deny anything.

And i can say it worked. When I saw the tornado the first thing i thougt was "is it a normal attack". Before reading it.

SiD
Shut up.

 

[the grim lizard]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic05.html

You lose.

 

[SiD]

And i can say it worked. When I saw the tornado the first thing i thougt was "is it a normal attack". Before reading it.

SiD
Shut up.

Oh, logic too much for you to comprehend so you resort to aggresive behavior?

Seriously, anyone who's not an idiot can see that it is a standard attack, anyone who disagrees will feel like total morons when they see for themselves.

 

[TaurToph]

Sure he does.

You might also want to try them in midair.

Surprisingly, there’s a variety of hidden uses for many of them.

 

[SiD]

So what? That doesn't at all point to a move being completly different than it's grounded version, just having a different use. Like, maybe, hover nozzle?

If you look on Smashbros.com, Sakurai constantly uses rhetorical questions to state facts. This is no exception. You are not smart, and not a logical thinker, if you truly don't think this is an A attack.

 

[TaurToph]

Hey, seriously, shut up. When did i say anything about marios tornado?
I couldn't care less about it, the shup up was cuz you typing is annoying.
Sorry \o\

 

[SiD]

My typing is annoying? I don't know what you mean by that, but it doesn't matter any way. You don't like it? Tough. I'm typing respectfully, not trolling, on topic, and with proper grammar/spelling to boot.

GTFO if you don't like my typing, I don't give a **** if I annoy you.

 

[Eagle]

Wrong, Sakurai always confirms things in the form of a rhetorical question. Go look for yourself if you don't believe me. It is a standard attack now, ****ing deal with it. I'm so sick of hearing "It's his Down B in the air".

It's not.

GTFO.

GTFO if you don't like my typing, I don't give a **** if I annoy you.

Oh, logic too much for you to comprehend so you resort to aggresive behavior?

I hope your talking about yourself.

 

[SiD]

But I wasn't attacking a certain person, just getting annoyed in general. Those are two different things.

I don't appreciate being assaulted by you guys for thinking logically. I've said these things 100 times today, but nobody wants to listen to things that make sense because they don't wanna lose their precious Down Air.

 

[Blackshadow]

Has Mario's neutral aerial been confirmed? *too lazy to check for myself* Because if so the tornado could be replacing that, considering the tornado hits both sides like some character's neutral A's, and the sex kick he has now isn't very Mario-ish. Just wondering.

 

[Johnknight1]

You aren't considering the possibilities SiD, that's the problem. I agree, it will probably be his dAir, or maybe a Zair like Link's hookshot in Melee [he had a nAir, dAir, fAir, bAir, and zAir]. In fact, I think it's his nZ, but being a new dB only in air is a distincy possibility, especially since we've yet to see it on land. <_<

 

[Chrisiscool]

you may be able to change the characters moves that are ground-required in the air, but not the other way around.
wat about a possible smash A in the air?
mario smash down air= tornado ???

 

[dan smith]

I see it being his down B aerial, that's what I think would be best at least. Why swap out his Dair when his new Down B doesn't seem to be very aerial? Like Peach and DK, they could both use down B aerials too. It sucks having a B move that dosen't work in the air. It's not fun, and it is a waste of design space.

Having said all that, it might be his Dair too...but it doesn't really attack downwards...

 

[SiD]

You aren't considering the possibilities SiD, that's the problem. I agree, it will probably be his dAir, or maybe a Zair like Link's hookshot in Melee [he had a nAir, dAir, fAir, bAir, and zAir]. In fact, I think it's his nZ, but being a new dB only in air is a distincy possibility, especially since we've yet to see it on land. <_<

I HIGHLY doubt it's Zair, since those were only tether's before. And Sakurai said it's a standard attack, how many times to I have to say that, so it HAS to be his Dair, since we've seen his other standard air attacks.

 

[shortwanabelaker]

i think the tornado attack is the neutral air A.. since it wud last as long as other neutral air attacks.

 

[SiD]

i think the tornado attack is the neutral air A.. since it wud last as long as other neutral air attacks.

His Nair has already been confirmed by a screenshot on the Dojo, though. The tornado already is much alike the Dair, he spins around and hits in all direction. It just has the added punches at the end.

 

[Jigglymaster]

His Nair has already been confirmed by a screenshot on the Dojo, though. The tornado already is much alike the Dair, he spins around and hits in all direction. It just has the added punches at the end.

It hits in every direction but below, which is what the d air inteded to hit. So your wrong.