Japanese Tier List by SHI-G June '15 (Version 1.0.7)

[ParanoidAndroid]

How different is the Japanese metagame? I haven't seen anything from it... Kind of curious now. How exactly do they play?

I'm no expert. I think it would be best to get the opinion of someone who has played in both regions. But from what I've heard they play a more "conservative" style. I don't mean defensive I mean not as flashy- with less showmanship. Japanese players are less inclined to do mind games and stick with solid fundamentals.

To the OP: I don't think this list is awful. I think there are a lot of viable characters in Sm4sh so it isn't strange to see differences in the top to mid tiers. The lack of reps reasoning isn't very satisfying though.

 

[Kazaroth]

Does FE really not have any reps in Japan...?

 

[SuperDavio]

I know I'm a bit late on the draw here, but what propels Toon Link so high? His back throw?

 

[Meister Zeigler]

Why is Link so low?

 

[LightLV]

Why is Link so low?

Even in 1.07, link being this low is absurd. Especially when Toon Link is higher than him.

 

[MapleWooD]

*waits for mad Lucina mains

 

[Pastor]

Interesting to see Rosaluma so low... And sonic so high...

 

[UFVKNP]

I'd ask a question about why WFT is so low, but I'll wait until a North American tier list comes out to complain about that.

 

[Troykv]

I'd ask a question about why WFT is so low, but I'll wait until a North American tier list comes out to complain about that.

Probably the awkward hitboxes.

 

[TheMarsh]

I love how Olimar is so high, most American tier lists rank him very low but he definitely has amazing potential in the right hands

 

[DanGR]

Q. Why is Mario so high?
A. Mario is considered the slept-on god of the game. He has no rep whatsoever but has, again in the words of Abadango, "Safe recovery with an up-b that has invincibility, hard-to-breach aerial hitboxes, good aerial mobility, good smashes and throw options, and large combo damage output." I don't think that Ally has anything to do with this, and that people actually think that Mario has untapped god-like potential.

Q. Why is Rosalina so low?
A. Though this was probably somewhat controversial in Japan as well, it basically comes down to Japan not having Dabuz. Luma can be killed fairly easily, and Rosalina's recovery is very vulnerable, some points which were probably points brought up during the discussion. Rosalina's somewhat disappointing results probably prevented her from entering A tier. Her best recent result was Top 12 by Kirihara, and Top 12 a little while back by Ice.

Mario has no rep.
Has potential.
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Placed 3rd based almost purely on theoretical merits.

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Rosalina has at least some rep.
Potential not appreciated.
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Presumably, her rank is based heavily on her results.


Wow.


So, "god-like potential" really isn't an exaggeration. Their view on Mario's potential is overriding his poor results. Yet Rosalina's better results are overshadowed by their view of her theoretical weaknesses (& lack of potential?). If so, I don't necessarily disagree that Mario has more to gain than Rosalina from players learning the game, as uncommon as this point of view is.

Also, are they ignoring NA's results entirely (Is this a Japan-only tier list?) or do they view Dabuz' success as an edge-case?

 

[S.P.A.D.]

I wonder what gets them to put Samus a tier over what Americans think and what they think of Kirby. I feel good about Ness' placement, as I feel as the game goes on he might be dropping in the lists as people begin to note how easily gimpable Ness is by a few members of the cast. (Mind you, that's not to say he's bad. Far from, at worst B-. Best A- imo)

 

[TheMarsh]

I wonder what gets them to put Samus a tier over what Americans think and what they think of Kirby. I feel good about Ness' placement, as I feel as the game goes on he might be dropping in the lists as people begin to note how easily gimpable Ness is by a few members of the cast. (Mind you, that's not to say he's bad. Far from, at worst B-. Best A- imo)

Tbh I feel like Samus is utterly broken, not to bash on the character or anything but she is technically broken, and Americans don't really take the time to actually figure out how she works as opposed to Japanese players
If youre wondering what I mean by "Samus is utterly broken" watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7CewcWnKs8

 

[S.P.A.D.]

Tbh I feel like Samus is utterly broken, not to bash on the character or anything but she is technically broken, and Americans don't really take the time to actually figure out how she works as opposed to Japanese players
If youre wondering what I mean by "Samus is utterly broken" watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7CewcWnKs8

I'm just really curious as to what all they're doing with her personally.