jabbing after knee to prevent shield grab

[looking guy]

Hey people!! so I've got a (probably noob) question: Does jabbing after hitting an opponent's shield with a knee (fast falled and L- canceled, of course) prevent you from being shield grabbed by all characters? that's all. I hope you can help me guys.

 

[Captain JOHN]

it might, but the lag after the jab (if the jab is also shielded) will get you grabbed. And the knee on shield needs to be a late hard knee so that you can even get your jab off. I'd put a little more research into it before i use it in tournament, but thats just me

 

[protato]

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[SwiftOfDaSouth]

knee is +1 on shield [after lag from landing you can act 1 frame before your opponent]
jab comes out frame 3
grab comes out frame 7

you can jab without getting shield grabbed, but more importantly, you can grab without getting shield grabbed

K N E E G R A B

 

[TheWeis]

Knee -> Gentleman on shield if you are worried about the shield grab and you aren't frame perfect enough for the knee grab

 

[looking guy]

knee is +1 on shield [after lag from landing you can act 1 frame before your opponent]
jab comes out frame 3
grab comes out frame 7

you can jab without getting shield grabbed, but more importantly, you can grab without getting shield grabbed

Wow thanks for that info, man

 

[looking guy]

it might, but the lag after the jab (if the jab is also shielded) will get you grabbed. And the knee on shield needs to be a late hard knee so that you can even get your jab off. I'd put a little more research into it before i use it in tournament, but thats just me

Why do you say it needs to be a late hard knee? Explain that to me, please!

 

[protato]

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[looking guy]

moves on shield do X amount of frames of shield stun
when you do an aerial on shield as early as you can in your short hop, you spend time in the air before Lcancelling. frames spent in air are frames wasted when a move does X amount of frames of shield stun
when you do an aerial as late as possible in your double jump, there are no frames spent in the air, only frames of Lcancelling

so lets say you do a move that does 15 frames of shieldstun:
you hit that move on their shield early in your short hop, and then spend 10 frames in the air and 8 frames Lcancelling
those 10 frames spent in the air are wasted

lets say you hit that same move on their shield as late as possible, and then spend 0 frames in the air and 8 frames Lcancelling
there are no frames wasted and you are +7 frames actionable compared to them

sorry if i didnt explain it well

Oh ok, I think I got it, anyways you'll need to be frame perfect or so to achieve it, most of us hit aerials asap in our short hops so it is a good tactic to do it from a double jump or a full hop. thanks man

 

[Captain JOHN]

sorry i didnt explain at all lol

 

[タオー]

Oh ok, I think I got it, anyways you'll need to be frame perfect or so to achieve it, most of us hit aerials asap in our short hops so it is a good tactic to do it from a double jump or a full hop. thanks man

That's one tactic, but also learn how to time for late aerials in your SHFFL's. That way you can be aggressive with this tactic and maintain pressure. Use FJ and DJ for baiting whiffs/mixing up timings.