It sickens me...

[2007]

But why does everyone hate Dr. Mario and Roy so much?
Geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz (w00h00! I can make that really long) zzzzzzz, if you hate them so much, then be nubz and don't play as them?

I can understand why people hate Young Link and Pichu, neither of them, are any good (at least Pichu has a KO move), but why Doc and Roy, both of whic are more powerful than their counterparts. heck, one is altogether better.

All ur karacterz0z R B-long 2 Dr. Mario &z0rz Roy

 

[burrito]

You realize there is a difference between hating a character and thinking a charcter shouldn't/won't return to Brawl, right?

 

[EarthboundMun]

I don't /HATE/ Dr. Mario or Roy, per say, but they're on my list of 'People I Don't Want In Brawl', along with Ice Climbers and Pichu. I know people play Dr. Mario and Roy competitively, but that's just because they prefer the particular playing style required by those characters as opposed to, say, Marth and Mario.

 

[deebz435]

You realize there is a difference between hating a character and thinking a charcter shouldn't/won't return to Brawl, right?

That's the only reason I don't like those 4, cause I don't think they should return.

 

[Circus]

Well, I guess Roy's got some merit in his own right, but I know exactly why people hate on Doc. There's NO reason to pick Dr. Mario based on character/personality when you already have Mario.

Forget the insignificant differences between their fairs or whatever. As characters, Mario and Dr. Mario have absolutely no differences, aside from Mario being infinitely better. Therefor, the good Doctor is the proverbial pimple on the otherwise (nearly) blemishless face that is Melee.

Dr. Mario is the one character from Melee that I truly want gone. Even Roy and Pichu can come back and it won't bother me.

 

[RWB]

But why does everyone hate Dr. Mario and Roy so much?
Geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz (w00h00! I can make that really long) zzzzzzz, if you hate them so much, then be nubz and don't play as them?

I can understand why people hate Young Link and Pichu, neither of them, are any good (at least Pichu has a KO move), but why Doc and Roy, both of whic are more powerful than their counterparts. heck, one is altogether better.

All ur karacterz0z R B-long 2 Dr. Mario &z0rz Roy

Marth pretty much destroys Roy, just so that you know. Superior in just about every field. Marth is stronger damagewise and knockbackwise too, so don't pull a "Roy is stronger"

 

[2007]

if it weren't for edgeguarding Marth would be #22 on the tier list. face it.

anyways, I'll rephrase the question: why DO people want them out?

 

[Bassoonist]

Because they're taking up spots for more deserving characters...

 

[Darkurai]

"Geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz (w00h00! I can make that really long) zzzzzzz"
and
"All ur karacterz0z R B-long 2 Dr. Mario &z0rz Roy"
proved that you're a noob and shouldn't be listened to.

 

[LavisFiend]

Doc and Roy's reasons for being in Melee have worn out, making them have zero relevance to return in Brawl.

Doc got in because Sakurai liked his music...

Roy got in because he was an advertisement tool...

The game Roy was advertising selled horribly if I recall correctly, and we have a larger list of musicians, meaning that Sakurai can have the theme recreated if he so desired.

Sakurai said everyone won't return, so now knowing the reasons behind Roy and Doc's poor reasons for being in Brawl, and the fact that they are used up, it should be common sense why support for these two characters is weak.

 

[Fbu]

Doc and Roy's reasons for being in Melee have worn out, making them have zero relevance to return in Brawl.

Doc got in because Sakurai liked his music...

Roy got in because he was an advertisement tool...

The game Roy was advertising selled horribly if I recall correctly, and we have a larger list of musicians, meaning that Sakurai can have the theme recreated if he so desired.

Sakurai said everyone won't return, so now knowing the reasons behind Roy and Doc's poor reasons for being in Brawl, and the fact that they are used up, it should be common sense why support for these two characters is weak.

That's really deep, I thought people only hated them for being clones

 

[blayde_axel]

That's really deep, I thought people only hated them for being clones

It is. And because they are the clone masters, then it's been elected that they get the boot... unless, of course, they are de-cloned.

 

[Hong]

Keep in mind, they put Roy in Melee without even knowing how good his game would do. Fire Emblem 6 wasn't horrible, but not great for Fire Emblem standards. Roy wasn't the best of lords, either. :/ I main Roy, but even I don't want him in Brawl.

In my opinion...

Scrap Pichu or put it as a stage element in Pokémon Stadium
Replace Young Link with Wind Waker Link who has different moveset, though keeping the Boomerang.
Make Dr. Mario a Mario costume.
Remix Roy for another character. They probably did this for Ike, but not enough to judge from.

 

[Salaad]

if it weren't for edgeguarding Marth would be #22 on the tier list. face it.

anyways, I'll rephrase the question: why DO people want them out?

If it weren't for edguarding, all the characters would suck.

 

[Enigma14]

I like both but Roy's game was horrible, but not as bad as FE2, even FE8 sold better!
But stat-wise Roy sucked and well Pit kinda takes his place, as Ike>>>>>>>>Marth


As for the Doc, like Lunadis said, make him a alt coustume

 

[Zevox]

Scant few people actually hate them, its simply a matter that they aren't likely to return to the game, and many believe they shouldn't.

Pichu, Doctor Mario, and Young Link are redundant characters, alternate versions of characters we already have. Effectively, their presence causes one character to take up two roster spots (whether they're clones or not - I'm talking about the characters themselves, not their moves). Ergo, they are redundant and unnecessary, and tops on most peoples' lists of characters to remove (Young Link some want to return using different graphics, but thats another story).

Roy, simply put, just has no reason to return. He was in Melee for one reason only - to advertise for Fire Emblem: Sword of Seals. Now that game has been out for a while, and is considered one of the worst games of the series. He has no special significance to the series, and more popularity from his Melee appearance than his Fire Emblem one. Simply put, there are much better choices for Fire Emblem representatives, and thus replacing him is best (and lo', we have Ike, who is better suited to be a FE rep for SSB than anyone save Marth alone - coincidence? I doubt it.).

Personally, I hate none of them, but I don't wish for the first three to return (and don't expect at least Doc and Pichu to), and acknowledge that Roy probably should not return (if Fire Emblem were getting 5 or more reps, I'd happily ask him back, but at the very least Marth, Ike, Sigurd, and Micaiah all out-prioritize him).

Zevox

 

[bksands77]

i don't hate either, just doc should be an alt. costume

i definitely think they could give roy his own moveset and have him return, but there are a couple of FE characters that i would like to see get in before him (Micaiah, Ephraim, Black Knight, Sothe)

 

[xianfeng]

The game Roy was advertising selled horribly if I recall correctly

No actually it was one of the best selling in the series. It was just unpopular.

I like both but Roy's game was horrible, but not as bad as FE2, even FE8 sold better!

No it didn't. And Roy's game was the best GBA FE game also the hardest.

nd is considered one of the worst games of the series.

You're thinking of FE2 and FE8. Also FE7 is usually considered worse than FE6.

but there are a couple of FE characters that i would like to see get in before him (Micaiah, Ephraim, Black Knight, Sothe)

Out of those Micaiah is the only one that stands a chance at being playable.

 

[Saku]

Dr. Mario is.. Mario. With a stethoscope, and a fetish inclusion.

As for Roy, well.. he doesn't wear a tiara like Marth does, so he's just unfashionable.
That hair is SO last tuesday..

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Dr. Mario is.. Mario. With a stethoscope, and a fetish inclusion.

As for Roy, well.. he doesn't wear a tiara like Marth does, so he's just unfashionable.
That hair is SO last tuesday..

How is Dr. Mario having anything to do with a fetish?

 

[dynamic_entry]

How is Dr. Mario having anything to do with a fetish?

he's not a real doctor; he's just dressing up for peach....

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

he's not a real doctor; he's just dressing up for peach....

He's as much a doctor as he is a plumber or construction worker

 

[Cinder]

But why does everyone hate Dr. Mario and Roy so much?
Geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz (w00h00! I can make that really long) zzzzzzz, if you hate them so much, then be nubz and don't play as them?

I can understand why people hate Young Link and Pichu, neither of them, are any good (at least Pichu has a KO move), but why Doc and Roy, both of whic are more powerful than their counterparts. heck, one is altogether better.

All ur karacterz0z R B-long 2 Dr. Mario &z0rz Roy

Okay, I don't know or care what I'm interrupting...I just wanted to give my two cents...I'm a Doc user, my girlfriend's a Roy user, and I hate Pichu...neutral on YL...
But Roy isn't better than Marth...Roy's low tier, Marth's high-tier, but I won't argue...just pointin' it out

 

[voittaa711]

Doc is my main, but he should not return to brawl. He and Roy simply just don't deserve a spot.

 

[Magnacor]

I don't think that any clones should be carried on into Brawl, with the exception of Ganondorf and Luigi of course. Dr. Mario should be an alternate costume and the same could go for Roy, but both Young Link and Pichu are unnescessary. They were both just weaker copies of their elder counterparts probably put into the game mainly to make the character amount hit 26. Thank you for listening to me complain, here's a cookie.

 

[Cinder]

Well, I guess Roy's got some merit in his own right, but I know exactly why people hate on Doc. There's NO reason to pick Dr. Mario based on character/personality when you already have Mario.

Forget the insignificant differences between their fairs or whatever. As characters, Mario and Dr. Mario have absolutely no differences, aside from Mario being infinitely better. Therefor, the good Doctor is the proverbial pimple on the otherwise (nearly) blemishless face that is Melee.

Dr. Mario is the one character from Melee that I truly want gone. Even Roy and Pichu can come back and it won't bother me.

If by better, you mean two slots LOWER on the tier list, then yeah...not that I want Doc to return (alt costume, maybe), but that's how it is...

 

[vesperview]

Because they're clones, same goes for Pichu and Y Link

 

[Circus]

If by better, you mean two slots LOWER on the tier list, then yeah...not that I want Doc to return (alt costume, maybe), but that's how it is...

Was it not obvious by my post that I was COMPLETELY disregarding the tier list there?

"Forget the insignificant differences between their fairs or whatever. As characters, Mario and Dr. Mario have absolutely no differences, aside from Mario being infinitely better.

By "better", I meant "a better character". Not "a better smasher". Hence, the "As characters. . ." in the beginning of that sentence.

BUT, you're right, alt costume ftw. That's pretty much the perfect place for Doc to end up.

 

[Hydde]

The sad part is the flaming sword conecpt of roy had so much to offer.... but he ended being a very bad clone of marth sadly.

I would like to come back as a concept for anther FE character in Brawl... Im talking about the phyrotechniks and so on... but with originality.

But as some stated above...... Roy the character is outdated. At least the Icies are some nice memory form the past, but roy was just a plain slogan...... now without any use or sense.

 

[Little Red Corvette]

There's usually no genuine hate, asides from the inexplicable for Pichu and Roy. The thing is, all of the mentioned clones, asides from Young Link, could be reprogrammed in with little coding as side characters, and not count on anyone's character list.

 

[WarxePB]

be a clone of Captain Falcon.
Young Link, while still a version of Link, also has potential. My guess is that they'll either make him into Wind Waker Link, with similar A attacks but WW-inspired specials (Deku Leaf, Grappling Hook, Skull Hammer, etc). Or, they'll scrap YLink altogether, and add in Midna + Wolf Link, which would play radically different.
Same goes with Falco. Though a good character on his own, he needs a different focus than Fox - his similarity to Fox is the sole reason he's a higher-tier character. I can see him being made into an aerial specialist (he is both a bird and an Arwing pilot), maybe with different specials or different properties to them. Or, they could replace him with Wolf, who would also make sense as a Luigified Fox.
Even Pichu could be made into something of worth, as the Pikachu evolutionary line can learn tons of non-Electric moves that would translate well into Brawl, and would make the character that much better. Either that, or they make him an absolute killing machine with power and speed on par with, say, Capt. Falcon, but the same weaknesses as Melee. Of course, there's a good chance Pichu won't be returning.
Then, we get to Dr. Mario. Since a Luigified Mario is, well, Luigi, there's not really much you can do with him. However, since Mario is balanced, the Doc could be made slightly stronger but slower, but still relatively balanced; but his moveset, short of including needles and drills, can't change much.
And finally, Roy. Roy wields a sword, and no matter what they do to his swordplay, he'll end up similar to Marth, Ike, Meta Knight or Link; they could take a few moves from each character and Frankenstein Roy's new moveset together, but I would much rather see a more original FE character, like Sigurd (with both a sword and lance) or Micaiah (with light magic and staves) than a mishmash of swordplay.

 

[Yukiwarashi]

I must be the only one who wants Pichu back as the handicap character. I don't care what anyone says, when you own someone with Pichu in goggles, you feel GREAT.

 

[blayde_axel]

Pichu already WAS a handicap character. lol.
He was mainly useful during item matches... but normally, fights are taken place without items...

 

[Big Burn]

dr mario is ILL

 

[Yukiwarashi]

Unfortunately, people forget about having fun and turn off items, which is why they don't like Pichu, Mewtwo or any low tier characters. It's a shame.

 

[JPW]

I think no one hates Dr. Mario or Roy.

We just see them as obvious cuts.

But just because we think they have the least chance of coming back doesn't mean we don't want them to be back.

I would love it if they could find a way to let these characters stick around.
I really don't want them to though if they are clones or very similar.

I would love to see the Viuses join Dr.Mario. I reckon you could make an interesting moveset there, one that could even rival Pokemon Trainer.

I would love it if they could make a Marth and Roy duo. Where at certain time Marth would call on Roy to give him a hand. Or Marth could simply change into Roy with the use of a button. But how does that revolve around FE universe.... who cares. They could say due to their inclusion in Smash Bros. Melee these guys maintained a friendship and decided to put their skills and abilities to the test together this time.

 

[xianfeng]

JPW your idea for Marth and Roy is a real insult to FE, a spit in the face of the series HEY LETS MAKE MARIO AND LUIGI TURN INTO EACHOTHER !@#123912
Marth and Roy aren't even from the same universe.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yes indeed, an awful idea. >_>; But let's not get into that.

Roy gets totally destroyed by Marth competive way. Roy ISN'T stronger than Marth, Marth easly outpowers, outspeeds and out combo's Roy, and he's even slightly heavier aswell (atleast in the NTSC versions). Not to mention range! Marth and Roy's blades are just as long, however Marth sweetspot is at the tipper (which is extremly easy to master) and Roy's at the center of the blade, and using Roy's tipper would be a waste of the move cause it's very weak... Not to mention that Roy some problems finishing characters off and has real crappy aerials. Doc is still just slightly better than Mario though.

But not that it mathers how "good" a character is (which since you think Roy is better than Marth have no idea of) wheter or not they'll return, otherwise DK, Luigi, Samus and Jigglypuff wouldn't have been in Melee in the first place. Brawl is a new game altogheter, and characters like Bowser, Zelda and Yoshi are still in the game while a lot of the current Top Tiers have very slim changes - mainly talking about Sheik here, but Marth and Falco aren't 100% guaranteed aswell! You know what sicks me? People only caring how "good" a character is and think of it as a good reason to cut awesome characters as Mewtwo.

What due to popular belief mathers more is importance to the characters's franchise, popularity and uniqueness which neither Roy or Doc are. Seriously, with these standards even Pichu has higher change to return and I'm not kidding.

Dr.Mario and Roy are basically already out. Ever since Ike and Mario's Special Moves got updated, there's no change in hell that Doc or Roy are returning. Mario uses FLUDD, which Dr.Mario never even has seen and Ike even has a fire attack for his neutral B while he never used fire before... guess twice where they got the inspiration from?

 

[Speedsk8er]

Young Link > all



>_> <_<

 

[JPW]

oh i'm sorry I didn't we're hating Roy now.

Because I hate Roy anyway, and the only reason i've been suggesting the duo, is for the Roy lovers.

Because Roy's going to get cut, the only way he can be saved is him joining up with Marth.

That being said when do things make sense in Smash Bros.. And how is that spitting on FE. Think about it two swordsman at the same time. Two fan favourites being given another chance for the price of one.

But I would rather see Marth than Roy. I'm just trying to stick up for Roy.
Cause whenever I don't I get flamed.

Just like when I pay out Olimar so I give in or find an alternative.