Is my solution illegal?

[Yori]

Hey guys,
So my SSBB game is PAL and I really want to play this mod. I heard that you can play Project M on PC too, but is this legal? I bought and own the game twice, so it's not like I'm really taking something I didn't pay for. My PC runs Bioshock Infinite on medium to high. So what should I do? Skip this game or get it via Dolphin? Or does anyone have a better solution? Thanks in advance.

Specs:
GT630M
Intel Core i5 3210M CPU @ 2,50 GHz
6GB RAM

 

[Crazc]

technically, yes.

but i think since you bought it twice u r gud

(im not encouraging you to, dont hurt me mods)

 

[Yori]

Haha nice, I might do this then. Though I just realized how much of a complicated task this might turn out to be Maybe it's best to just get Melee, cause I really want another Smash besides Brawl.

 

[Crazc]

get project m, then.

btw, if you do this, finding an iso is hella hard. i finally found one, but it might take you a while.

once you somehow acquire one, make a project m iso, then play that on dolphin. or you can do other complicated stuff.

 

[Warzenschwein]

I was in the same position as you.
Following this guide it's actually extremely simple.

The "toughest" part might be finding the Brawl .iso. But this easily accomplished by NOT torrenting it (not wanting to ENCOURAGE YOU TO TORRENT ANYTHING)
Again: I do NOT recommend using a program like uTorrent or ANYTHING like that. That.. that would be OUTRAGEOUS!
just do it, I doubt that anyone would ever care about that, especially since you already own it.

 

[Yori]

I was in the same position as you.
Following this guide it's actually extremely simple.

The "toughest" part might be finding the Brawl .iso. But this easily accomplished by NOT torrenting it (not wanting to ENCOURAGE YOU TO TORRENT ANYTHING)
Again: I do NOT recommend using a program like uTorrent or ANYTHING like that. That.. that would be OUTRAGEOUS!
just do it, I doubt that anyone would ever care about that, especially since you already own it.

Hahahah I have got the ISO, just need to figure out how to use the mod on Dolphin. Thanks guys!

 

[Xenozoa425]

If you own the game via retail copy and have a USB loader handy, you can just transfer the game to the USB and then to your computer, so you don't need to torrent anything.

 

[Crazc]

If you own the game via retail copy and have a USB loader handy, you can just transfer the game to the USB and then to your computer, so you don't need to torrent anything.

#ididnttorrent
#ifoundanormaldownload

 

[Y-L]

First let me say that you cannot compare emulating to pc gaming, they are entirely different things. Emulation is all cpu while pc gaming is all gpu. However I think your pc might be able to handle it. Just make sure in dolphin you set it to use integrated graphics instead of the dedicated video card so your pc doesn't overheat (multimedia laptops share heatsinks with cpu/gpu).

If you dump your own game from your disc to your pc it is 100% legal. Playing on dolphin is 100% legal. The only thing that's illegal I'd downloading/torrenting an iso (although most people do).

Follow the guide in my siggy to learn how to set everything up. Enjoy!

 

[Crazc]

only reason i didnt rip it from a disc is because my wii cant read discs, and i really didnt want to homebrew my wiiu.

 

[Yori]

First let me say that you cannot compare emulating to pc gaming, they are entirely different things. Emulation is all cpu while pc gaming is all gpu. However I think your pc might be able to handle it. Just make sure in dolphin you set it to use integrated graphics instead of the dedicated video card so your pc doesn't overheat (multimedia laptops share heatsinks with cpu/gpu).

If you dump your own game from your disc to your pc it is 100% legal. Playing on dolphin is 100% legal. The only thing that's illegal I'd downloading/torrenting an iso (although most people do).

Follow the guide in my siggy to learn how to set everything up. Enjoy!

Oh thanks for the tips about the cpu, didn't know that. And I'll check your guide for how to dump my own game on Dolphin to make sure what I'm doing is legal :D
Edit: Just realized that even if I do this via an USB loader I'll still have the same problem: P:M doesn't work on PAL SSBB. Thanks for all the help though!

 

[Y-L]

Oh thanks for the tips about the cpu, didn't know that. And I'll check your guide for how to dump my own game on Dolphin to make sure what I'm doing is legal :D
Edit: Just realized that even if I do this via an USB loader I'll still have the same problem: P:M doesn't work on PAL SSBB. Thanks for all the help though!

My guide doesn't have info on how to dump your brawl anyways. it assumes you already have a brawl iso.
Well your options are to buy NTSC brawl or find it "elsewhere". If there's a will there's a way!

 

[Yori]

My guide doesn't have info on how to dump your brawl anyways. it assumes you already have a brawl iso.
Well your options are to buy NTSC brawl or find it "elsewhere". If there's a will there's a way!

Yep I'll have to go "elsewhere" I guess, since I'm from Europe

 

[Winchester7314]

First let me say that you cannot compare emulating to pc gaming, they are entirely different things. Emulation is all cpu while pc gaming is all gpu. However I think your pc might be able to handle it. Just make sure in dolphin you set it to use integrated graphics instead of the dedicated video card so your pc doesn't overheat (multimedia laptops share heatsinks with cpu/gpu).

If you dump your own game from your disc to your pc it is 100% legal. Playing on dolphin is 100% legal. The only thing that's illegal I'd downloading/torrenting an iso (although most people do).

Follow the guide in my siggy to learn how to set everything up. Enjoy!

I'm sorry but I can't, I just can't.....I'm not saying that emulations isn't CPU Intensive, but it definitly uses the GPU. I don't even know how to respond to this. Yes the emulator is run of the CPU, but there is NO WAY you're going to get ANY decent amount of performance with a crap GPU, therefore, the GPU is highly relevant.

 

[Y-L]

I'm sorry but I can't, I just can't.....I'm not saying that emulations isn't CPU Intensive, but it definitly uses the GPU. I don't even know how to respond to this. Yes the emulator is run of the CPU, but there is NO WAY you're going to get ANY decent amount of performance with a crap GPU, therefore, the GPU is highly relevant.

No you must not be aware of how emulation works. You are emulating both the consoles cpu and gpu on your cpu because of compatibility, consoles use an entirely different architecture so the instructions are just translated to go on cpu. Some games are indeed gpu intensive but it's really not much. You can run (especially PM, it's a very lightweight game) with very weak graphics. Intel integrated 4600 runs PM at 3x the internal resolution at full speed.
Emulation is 90 percent reliant on processesing power.

 

[Winchester7314]

No you must not be aware of how emulation works. You are emulating both the consoles cpu and gpu on your cpu because of compatibility, consoles use an entirely different architecture so the instructions are just translated to go on cpu. Some games are indeed gpu intensive but it's really not much. You can run (especially PM, it's a very lightweight game) with very weak graphics. Intel integrated 4600 runs PM at 3x the internal resolution at full speed.
Emulation is 90 percent reliant on processesing power.

Yes, but thats my point you said it was ALL CPU. Its not all CPU, or you need a beefy CPU. Not everyone has CPU so the GPU can boost others weaker CPUs.. It can be ALL CPU, or some CPU/someGPU. Its not only one way.

 

[Y-L]

Yes, but thats my point you said it was ALL CPU. Its not all CPU, or you need a beefy CPU. Not everyone has CPU so the GPU can boost others weaker CPUs.. It can be ALL CPU, or some CPU/someGPU. Its not only one way.

lol the GPU can't boost weaker cpus

 

[Winchester7314]

lol the GPU can't boost weaker cpus

I mean to say, Compensate for its shortcomings in the games performance, sorry if that cam out wrong.

 

[Y-L]

I mean to say, Compensate for its shortcomings in the games performance, sorry if that cam out wrong.

It's true that the GPU can bottleneck the CPU but I'm fairly sure almost no one has a GPU that weak, especially if it is paired with a CPU capable of running Dolphin at all.

 

[Xenozoa425]

tl;dr - your computer needs to not be a piece of s***.

Wish I had a good PC cause I'm still running xp on 2003 hardware lolol

 

[Winchester7314]

It's true that the GPU can bottleneck the CPU but I'm fairly sure almost no one has a GPU that weak, especially if it is paired with a CPU capable of running Dolphin at all.

youd be surprised but my point still stands. I have an i5 2320/780Ti/16GB RAM ...before(with my GT 545(mid range gpu) I could barley run 2x native with everything else off. Now I can run EVERYTHING MAXED, x4 Native, 4xSSAA, 16xAF, Widescreen hack, Per Pixel Lighting, Texture Filtering, ALL at 2560x1080, even with the same CPU. That shows the emulator can rely on either GPU, or CPU, not just one alone.

 

[Y-L]

youd be surprised but my point still stands. I have an i5 2320/780Ti/16GB RAM ...before(with my GT 545(mid range gpu) I could barley run 2x native with everything else off. Now I can run EVERYTHING MAXED, x4 Native, 4xSSAA, 16xAF, Widescreen hack, Per Pixel Lighting, Texture Filtering, ALL at 2560x1080, even with the same CPU. That shows the emulator can rely on either GPU, or CPU, not just one alone.

What you have to consider though is most of what will cause you to lag with a good CPU (increasing IR/AA) is not part of the emulation. Dolphin has the abilities to upscale the resolution past what the Wii can output (480p) and that is what uses GPU power, not the emulation itself.

 

[Winchester7314]

What you have to consider though is most of what will cause you to lag (increasing IR/AA) is not part of the emulation. Dolphin has the abilities to upscale the resolution past what the Wii can output (480p) and that is what uses GPU power, not the emulation itself.

But the emulated process has to be pushed through an API like OpenGl or DirectX which relies heavily on the GPU. That is why emulation is considered so demanding, is because the CPU will do the emulation of the CPU/GPU of the original console, but then it has to push those results through an API dependant on your GPU. So either way, that 640x480 result is being pushed through your API on your GPU
EDIT: and I have to bring this up...If ANYONE is trying to play this game on their PC in 2014, they are probably shooting for more than 640x480

 

[Y-L]

But the emulated process has to be pushed through an API like OpenGl or DirectX which relies heavily on the GPU. That is why emulation is considered so demanding, is because the CPU will do the emulation of the CPU/GPU of the original console, but then it has to push those results through an API dependant on your GPU. So either way, that 640x480 result is being pushed through your API on your GPU
EDIT: and I have to bring this up...If ANYONE is trying to play this game on their PC in 2014, they are probably shooting for more than 640x480

If anyone is playing this on their PC in 2014, they have the required graphics. All you need is a card/apu that supports DirectX 11.1 or OpenGL 4.4, which is considered standard now. Pushing it through the backends is mainly intensive when pushing upscaled resolutions.

 

[Winchester7314]

If anyone is playing this on their PC in 2014, they have the required graphics. All you need is a card/apu that supports DirectX 11.1 or OpenGL 4.4, which is considered standard now. Pushing it through the backends is mainly intensive when pushing upscaled resolutions.

but thats my point. Is that maybe its not largley intensive but it does require a GPU, its not All CPU, and to be honest, nobody wants to play at 640x480, so everyone is going to be running this at upscaled resolutions. Because PC MASTER RACE

 

[Y-L]

but thats my point. Is that maybe its not largley intensive but it doesn require a GPu, its not All CPU, and to be honest, nobody wants to play at 640x480, so everyone is going to be running this at upscaled resolutions. Because PC MASTER RACE

Yeah it's not all cpu but about 90%

 

[Yori]

I'm having an issue where I have almost 60 fps, but the sound becomes really slow when I have 4 CPUs

 

[Yori]

I'm having an issue where I have almost 60 fps, but the sound becomes really slow when I have 4 CPUs

Edit: At those points it goes at 30fps, so that's probably it. Didn't want to play any 4 player matches anyway

 

[Crazc]

Edit: At those points it goes at 30fps, so that's probably it. Didn't want to play any 4 player matches anyway

two player matches are all that weak pc's can handle

 

[Yori]

two player matches are all that weak pc's can handle

Well, I've got a budget gaming laptop, so that's probably the reason. It's still enjoyable, and when I want to improve I just play 1v1 with a friend anyway. The music just sounds weird lol.

 

[Winchester7314]

Well, I've got a budget gaming laptop, so that's probably the reason. It's still enjoyable, and when I want to improve I just play 1v1 with a friend anyway. The music just sounds weird lol.

check if v-sync is enabled, or try the other audio engines in config. Also try using OpenGL to improve performance.

 

[Y-L]

Make sure you change the settings to the one in the guide in my siggy. 4 cpus does not matter because dolphin can only use 2 cores. Also go in Windows to power options and set to high performance.

 

[Yori]

Make sure you change the settings to the one in the guide in my siggy. 4 cpus does not matter because dolphin can only use 2 cores. Also go in Windows to power options and set to high performance.

Sure, first I'm going to get PM to work :D

 

[Winchester7314]

Sure, first I'm going to get PM to work :D

1. Download THIS. This is GeckoOS. put it along with your Brawl ISO and when you open Dolphin, set Brawl ISO as the default ISO, but whenever you play PM, you launch this WAD instead. It will show up in your dolphin list if you put it in the locaton you have set to search for ISOs.
2. Download THIS WAD to a seperat folder(so it doesnt show up in your list) and when you open Dolphin go to tools-Install WAD, and choose this one. Im not sure if this step is necessary, but got it from an online guide, and never really tested it without, so Id do it just incase.
3. Then download both Winimage and DolphinSD Card Maker. Use SD Card Maker to create a 2GB sd file. After that is done, put the SD file in User/Wii folder of dolphin. In Newer revisions of dolphin, settings are used from the folders in My Documents, but if you prefer to use the ones in dolphins program folder, just put a text file named 'portable' in the program folder. Then use winimage to put the Homebrew Full-Set ,From Project M's site, files into the sd file. make sure in Dolphins wii settings to check the box marked 'insert sd card'.
I've noticed Y-L prefers the Injected ISO method, but the SD method is much easier to modify in the future, as newer releases come out, or you want to add your own content.

 

[Y-L]

1. Download THIS. This is GeckoOS. put it along with your Brawl ISO and when you open Dolphin, set Brawl ISO as the default ISO, but whenever you play PM, you launch this WAD instead. It will show up in your dolphin list if you put it in the locaton you have set to search for ISOs.
2. Download THIS WAD to a seperat folder(so it doesnt show up in your list) and when you open Dolphin go to tools-Install WAD, and choose this one. Im not sure if this step is necessary, but got it from an online guide, and never really tested it without, so Id do it just incase.
3. Then download both Winimage and DolphinSD Card Maker. Use SD Card Maker to create a 2GB sd file. After that is done, put the SD file in User/Wii folder of dolphin. In Newer revisions of dolphin, settings are used from the folders in My Documents, but if you prefer to use the ones in dolphins program folder, just put a text file named 'portable' in the program folder. Then use winimage to put the Homebrew Full-Set ,From Project M's site, files into the sd file. make sure in Dolphins wii settings to check the box marked 'insert sd card'.
I've noticed Y-L prefers the Injected ISO method, but the SD method is much easier to modify in the future, as newer releases come out, or you want to add your own content.

I wouldn't do that because virtual SD card lags more has audio issues and doesn't have access to Netplay. He's better off using injected iso using the method in my siggy.

 

[Yori]

I wouldn't do that because virtual SD card lags more has audio issues and doesn't have access to Netplay. He's better off using injected iso using the method in my siggy.

Thanks Winchester, but I had already started with YL's method before trying yours. So, now the game boots up, I can go to the character select, but the game freezes and I get this error:

After that, the game crashes. Is this a known issue?

 

[Winchester7314]

Thanks Winchester, but I had already started with YL's method before trying yours. So, now the game boots up, I can go to the character select, but the game freezes and I get this error:

After that, the game crashes. Is this a known issue?

after searching, all I've found is that it was a result of not putting all the files in by accident. I would retry and make sure ALL the files get put in. just incase.

 

[Yori]

Hmm, I see, I'll do that then, I guess. It's probably the ISO, since other games work fine.

 

[Y-L]

Hmm, I see, I'll do that then, I guess. It's probably the ISO, since other games work fine.

I'm going to go ahead and post this on the Dolphin forums and get back to you.

 

[Yori]

I'm going to go ahead and post this on the Dolphin forums and get back to you.

Thanks man! :D