Is DeDeDe the worst character in game?

[DewDaDash]

I agree but considering you guys haven't played/aren't in same region, a MM is still relevant. Who do you use in this game btw?

Been a diddy main, since patches been trying to transition to another char, have used sheik/rosa in some tourney sets,but for the most part I've only used diddy. So I guess technically diddy but for now I'm not really sure who to main, still trying to figure that out as well.

 

[randomguy1235]

Honestly, I do find him to be the first character in the game for one reason, his best zoning tool does not help him in the slightest, it is actually detrimental to his overall play-style. Maybe if he had some more mobility, you could take more advantage of it. But if your opponent is somewhat competent, they are going to use it against you. His recovery is pretty awful as well. That, to me, would have been his saving grace. I mean, there are a lot of bad characters in the game. None is objectively considered the worst.

You think Dedede's recovery is bad? lolwut. Gordo is a great zoning option that's very useful at ledge guarding and frame trapping.

 

[SalsaSavant]

Honestly, I do find him to be the first character in the game for one reason, his best zoning tool does not help him in the slightest, it is actually detrimental to his overall play-style. Maybe if he had some more mobility, you could take more advantage of it. But if your opponent is somewhat competent, they are going to use it against you. His recovery is pretty awful as well. That, to me, would have been his saving grace. I mean, there are a lot of bad characters in the game. None is objectively considered the worst.

His recovery is...awful? What?
It's one of the better ones in the game. Super armor, large distance, fast, able to pop onto a ledge...

 

[Morbi]

You think Dedede's recovery is bad? lolwut. Gordo is a great zoning option that's very useful at ledge guarding and frame trapping.

His recovery is...awful? What?
It's one of the better ones in the game. Super armor, large distance, fast, able to pop onto a ledge...

I apologize, that was ill-phrased. I meant that his recovery was predictable. I just associate that with "bad."

 

[Dark Phazon]

I dont think so..

Just exploded mewtwos bhatti off.

 

[Basseidon]

I'm all for everyone thinking Dedede is awful. Hopefully that will mean future buffs. Now I do understand you probably won't see the top professional players use him. That's ok, I'm not aiming that high. I do play competitively in tournaments and win with the big guy. It's possible.

He can be punished and his moves aren't the greatest but you just have to master the art of trolling! He is great for mind games!

 

[Girthquake]

Based Atomsk will deliver us all to the promised land, just watch the games he's been playing recently. Seriously.

I was super negative and depressed when I saw no changes again, but I'm starting to think that he does have the potential to be viable in a lot of scenarios. Just play the game try to be as creative as possible and pay attention to what the pros are doing.

 

[Atomsk_92]

Chill the **** out. I got this.

 

[Girthquake]

Chill the **** out. I got this.

Your set against Will made me swoon. Teach me senpai

 

[Ol' King Dedede]

Don't be talking smack about me!

 

[apparently fuz]

No. Samus is.

 

[Atomsk_92]

Your set against Will made me swoon. Teach me senpai

To be the man you gotta beat the man.

 

[Girthquake]

To be the man you gotta beat the man.

So basically if I beat you in a friendly Ditto your godly powers will transfer to me like the Highlander NNID plz

 

[Girthquake]

@ Atomsk_92 , you were the chosen one. It was said that you would destroy the top 5 picks, not join them... Bring balance to the low tier... Not leave it in darkness.

RIP the dream

 

[MrNasty]

No trolling, is this character the worst in the game? I have not seen one DeDeDe on the scene even place top 8 the last couple of months and every brawl professional d3 player including me has dropped the character long time ago or has been placing like *** with him. Every once in awhile I try the character for lolz but the character pisses me off to no end to how terrible the design is that I stop as quickly as I try it out.

This character needs some major buffs. I cannot understand how a character can be so abysmal, maybe because Sakurai felt bad for all the scrubs that got chain grabbed in brawl? I don't know.

I'm not too sure what the purpose of this thread is, I guess just to vent my frustration with this character. I'd love to main him again, he was so much fun in brawl and its disappointing that game is dead and his design in this one is terrible.

No

 

[randomguy1235]

He's definitely bottom 5 at this point, no doubt about that.

 

[Krubby]

Dedede I think is bottom 5 when it comes to matchup spread, but a lot of those bad matchups are against low and mid tiers. Due to his good matchups against Rosalina, Ryu and Pikachu, I think he has more tournament viability than any other character in the bottom tier as he can realistically take them on in an even game, something other bottom tiers can't do

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

Dedede is brillant, if you know how to use him. I do and it's glorious. He's got spacing tools, his projectile is power full and selecting up while using it can lead to powerful setups, he's got a Mindgame by his meme status (this is actually useful, no kidding) and a Jet Hammer

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe not the absolute worst, but I definitely believe he's bottom 3 ( and are the only ones I'd say are worse than him). Not that's like a particularly bad thing to be in this game anyhow. The bottom tiers in this game are simply mediocre rather than outright godawful compared to Melee or Brawl. They're still capable of doing things.

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

• Maybe not the absolute worst, but I definitely believe he's bottom 3 ( and are the only ones I'd say are worse than him). Not that's like a particularly bad thing to be in this game anyhow. The bottom tiers in this game are simply mediocre rather than outright godawful compared to Melee or Brawl. They're still capable of doing things.

Worse than ? I main and Secondary , and I think is better than . He may have an actually useful projectile, and and spacing tools and better grab combos, but she doesn't get hit by 15 up-tilts by a Mario at the start of the match, she's faster in the air and ground, her down tilt is better, and her Up-B speaks for itself. She's only slightly better than him in my opinion, but she's still more viable. Is definitely worse however. But I do believe that is better than:,,, and .

 

[Girthquake]

Worse than ? I main and Secondary , and I think is better than . He may have an actually useful projectile, and and spacing tools and better grab combos, but she doesn't get hit by 15 up-tilts by a Mario at the start of the match, she's faster in the air and ground, her down tilt is better, and her Up-B speaks for itself. She's only slightly better than him in my opinion, but she's still more viable. Is definitely worse however. But I do believe that is better than:,,, and .

Honestly arguing about who fits where in a bottom 5 or even bottom 10 in a game where there's...58 characters I think is splitting hairs on an unreasonable level. I agree that DDD is a garbage character but there is no use in arguing if he's 4th or 8th or 2nd worst.

An important thing to understand is that low tier in this game is no where NEAR what low tier was in Brawl. Low tiers in this game while clearly disadvantaged greatly still have the tools to do SOMETHING and even the crowd of us DDD players show that (Big D especially) No one in this game is as bad as Gdorf in brawl tbh.

That said though if you wanna argue subjective stuff then I really think that Zelda is better than DDD after the patch. Vertical threats have always been difficult for us to avoid and to my understanding Zelda Dthrow Uair has become significantly easier (rightfully so) to land than before which creates a bit of a problem for us. I don't think we really lose that MU like I would say it's super close to even but that again is kinda splitting hairs arguing things like 48/52 mu lol

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

Honestly arguing about who fits where in a bottom 5 or even bottom 10 in a game where there's...58 characters I think is splitting hairs on an unreasonable level. I agree that DDD is a garbage character but there is no use in arguing if he's 4th or 8th or 2nd worst.

An important thing to understand is that low tier in this game is no where NEAR what low tier was in Brawl. Low tiers in this game while clearly disadvantaged greatly still have the tools to do SOMETHING and even the crowd of us DDD players show that (Big D especially) No one in this game is as bad as Gdorf in brawl tbh.

That said though if you wanna argue subjective stuff then I really think that Zelda is better than DDD after the patch. Vertical threats have always been difficult for us to avoid and to my understanding Zelda Dthrow Uair has become significantly easier (rightfully so) to land than before which creates a bit of a problem for us. I don't think we really lose that MU like I would say it's super close to even but that again is kinda splitting hairs arguing things like 48/52 mu lol

Finally, another person in my time zone.

But definitely, I main , and the obvious, and I can say that Down Throw to uair is a godsend to Zelda mains like myself. But it also creates hell for Dedede. He's possibly the easiest character to juggle in the game (It can be argued Bowser is.) And once Zelda manages to get past Dedede's spacing tools, she's got a very easy time. Dedede is one of the few situations where Nayru's Love (Neutral B) can be used offensively, and it works. And yes, Low Tiers are viable in this game. It really doesn't feel that I'm being held back when I use Zelda and Dedede (Bottom Tier) to when I use Toon Link(High-Mid or Low-High Tier). I have memories of using Ganon in Brawl, it was absolutely terrible. I definitely think Zelda has got a slight advantage. I'd say it's super easy for Zelda but Dedede's spacing is horrific for Zelda (Seriously, Zelda has nightmares over side tilt.) So overall, Zelda wins by 55:45 for me.

 

[abx]

But isn't the specific MU Dedede/Zelda nearly irrelevant when it comes to tier list positions?

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

But isn't the specific MU Dedede/Zelda nearly irrelevant when it comes to tier list positions?

Isn't it good to learn as many match ups as possible?

 

[Girthquake]

But isn't the specific MU Dedede/Zelda nearly irrelevant when it comes to tier list positions?

If you only play offline and in your area there are no Zelda players than I suppose it wouldn't matter to you. If you play Wifi or compete in regionals/nationals it will matter because you might run into a character specialist who will dump you due to lack of MU exp. That in of itself is a big reason why DDD (Big D) has done well at some nationals is not only Big D being a very powerful player fundamentally but also because of MU inexperience. Learning MUs is important no matter how scarce or obscure.

 

[abx]

Sure, learning about MUs is important. But originally you were talking about whether Zelda is positioned above King D or not, taking into consideration that it's a matter of splitting hairs. But when Zelda has an advantage over DDD it doesn't say much about their individual MU's against the rest of the roster.

I'm sincerely curious whether or not your discussion is still related to tier list positions.

 

[DewDaDash]

Surprised this thread is still active. When I made this originally I was just annoyed about dedede as a character, knew he was terrible and just claimed he was the worst out of emotion. In reality it's very hard to give a character a clear declaration of being the worst, but with all the patches not favoring him, he has more of a case now to be the worst. He is without a doubt one of the bottom 5, an opinion I've had since the beginning, imo has to be bottom 3, and I can't really think about any characters that are worse than him, maybe mii chars? But those aren't really even intended characters to begin with.

 

[Girthquake]

Surprised this thread is still active. When I made this originally I was just annoyed about dedede as a character, knew he was terrible and just claimed he was the worst out of emotion. In reality it's very hard to give a character a clear declaration of being the worst, but with all the patches not favoring him, he has more of a case now to be the worst. He is without a doubt one of the bottom 5, an opinion I've had since the beginning, imo has to be bottom 3, and I can't really think about any characters that are worse than him, maybe mii chars? But those aren't really even intended characters to begin with.

Yeah a lot of things have progressed since this thread was first made and I was a lot more emotional and subjective when I first replied. Objectively though I agree with you he is without a doubt a bottom 5 character after being ignored/nerfed and everyone around him receiving fixes/buffs. Sad life for the D3 mains

 

[Soul Train]

Yeah a lot of things have progressed since this thread was first made and I was a lot more emotional and subjective when I first replied. Objectively though I agree with you he is without a doubt a bottom 5 character after being ignored/nerfed and everyone around him receiving fixes/buffs. Sad life for the D3 mains

The character's relative anonymity back then was honestly a huge source to D3's viability. I got used to win good money at 3DS tourneys, back in the day.

Yeah it's a somewhat a pointless argument to call character "worst in the game" here. But...I could probably do it, mathematically. Do some frame data analysis via excel, get some data for averages, medians, etc for moves - broken down by character weight. Then incorporate some hitboxes, kill confirm info, and it would be interesting.

Not that I would, unless Nintendo literally knocked on my door and was like "WE'LL BUFF HIM IF YOU PROVE IT". Lol I'd stay up all night for weeks