Is anyone excited for the new trophies?

[Commander]

I've always enjoyed reading and collecting them in Melee and Brawl. It is always exciting to see a character you know, who you knew shouldn't be in smash, still get into the game through that little nod. I hope they bring in a new version of the trophy minigame from melee.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I've always enjoyed reading and collecting them in Melee and Brawl. It is always exciting to see a character you know, who you knew shouldn't be in smash, still get into the game through that little nod. I hope they bring in a new version of the trophy minigame from melee.

Yes! I love collecting trophies.
When you say minigame from Melee, do you mean Snag the Trophies or the Lottery?

 

[Commander]

Yes! I love collecting trophies.
When you say minigame from Melee, do you mean Snag the Trophies or the Lottery?

The lottery isn't much of a game. An updated snag the trophies would be really cool. Also a more challenging coin launcher. The coin launcher should scale with how long and effectively you have been playing it.

 

[PLATINUM7]

The lottery isn't much of a game. An updated snag the trophies would be really cool. Also a more challenging coin launcher. The coin launcher should scale with how long and effectively you have been playing it.

Coin launcher was cool, but it needed more enemy patterns. Also, how would you update Snag the Trophies?

 

[Commander]

Coin launcher was cool, but it needed more enemy patterns. Also, how would you update Snag the Trophies?

I don't know how I would go about updating it. It would depend on the overall physics of the game first.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

you know what would be beast? Being able to use the hammer on Galleom's trophy in tank form.

 

[Vintage Creep]

They should release them one every day/week Layton-style.
I hope we surpass 1000 trophies.
It can be done.

 

[YoshiandToad]

As long as they're not just all model rips like last time; yes.

Whilst I don't mind appropriate model rips, it does somewhat limit who you can and can't have for a trophy. I mean there wasn't even a Roy trophy in Brawl for goodness sake; he deserved that much at least for his past inclusion.

You're not alone though; I often enjoyed reading up the history of a certain Nintendo character and learning about them a little via the trophy information.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Hopefully the characters who have yet to get trophy appearances will get them. It's about time that the Koopalings get a trophy cameo.

 

[Commander]

As long as they're not just all model rips like last time; yes.

Whilst I don't mind appropriate model rips, it does somewhat limit who you can and can't have for a trophy. I mean there wasn't even a Roy trophy in Brawl for goodness sake; he deserved that much at least for his past inclusion.

You're not alone though; I often enjoyed reading up the history of a certain Nintendo character and learning about them a little via the trophy information.

Why should they waste development time making models for characters who aren't important? How do model rips limit who can and can't be a trophy? If anything they only increase it because they don't take too much time to create. Also Roy doesn't deserve to be more than a sticker.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hopefully they look much more accurate to the characters in their respective games.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Why should they waste development time making models for characters who aren't important?

Characters who were playable in their previous rosters should be counted as important. It's important to the Smash series; it's their history.

How do model rips limit who can and can't be a trophy?

Because let's say there hasn't been a 3D model game of a character. No matter how important said character is to Nintendo, or to Smash it means they can't have a trophy unless they decide to go for a sprite trophy. If they do this, that's fine, but they didn't in Brawl and it was pretty noticeable after the effort they put into them for Melee.

If anything they only increase it because they don't take too much time to create.

Doesn't increase the amount of characters that can be included if you do it alongside making the odd custom model. I'm not saying they shouldn't model rip at all, I'm just saying they should do MORE than model rip should the character require a model, like a character that has been previously playable.

Also Roy doesn't deserve to be more than a sticker.

A playable character from a previous Smash didn't get even a trophy despite being included in the game's data files. Of course he deserved a trophy at the very least!

So did Doc(who also has data within Brawl's source files) and so did Young Link. At least Mewtwo and Pichu were given props, it just would of been nice for them to give these characters who have been within Smash before a trophy.

 

[Malion]

I hope they go back to Melee's style of 3 trophies per person... a classic, an updated, and an alt costume... and a final smash one to top it off.

 

[CardiganBoy]

Of course men, i love the trophies, but i hope SSB4 have a better trophies for some series, for example in Brawl there were some series that lacked trophies like Fire Emblem, Mother/Earthbound, and Yoshis Island.

 

[The Drilling Juggernaut]

I hope they go back to Melee's style of 3 trophies per person... a classic, an updated, and an alt costume... and a final smash one to top it off.

You know what would be great? Unlocking actual alt costume by unlocking their trophy. Like a James McCloud alt costume becomes available for Fox after you unlock the James McCloud trophy. It'd be great if you didn't know which trophies unlocked which costume. You'd win a Dry Bowser trophy then get a message telling you that you unlocked a Dry Bowser costume as well.

 

[Kapus]

As long as it's better than Brawl's trophy selection.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I collect them but I never found them exciting

 

[majora_787]

Trophies are always fun. I kind of hope they do something better than the coin launcher, but yep. I don't speculate on it much though because there's kind of a lot of things that can be trophies.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I collect them but I never found them exciting

I remember I used to read them all multiple times when I had Melee.
They have the potential to fill up every void left by the roster or the stage selection.
Sadly, neither Melee or Brawl were able to do so at 100%.

 

[BluePikmin11]

As long as it's better than Brawl's trophy selection.

I hope its the biggest collection, perhaps 1500 trophies!!!

 

[Curious Villager]

I'd love to see the Trophies again, but I do hope we also get trophies of characters that don't have a pre-made 3D model too. I'd be pretty bummed if we got the Brawl style again.... :/

 

[Commander]

Characters who were playable in their previous rosters should be counted as important. It's important to the Smash series; it's their history.

Smash is a tribute series, it should b paying tribute to Nintendo's history, not its own.

Because let's say there hasn't been a 3D model game of a character. No matter how important said character is to Nintendo, or to Smash it means they can't have a trophy unless they decide to go for a sprite trophy. If they do this, that's fine, but they didn't in Brawl and it was pretty noticeable after the effort they put into them for Melee.
Doesn't increase the amount of characters that can be included if you do it alongside making the odd custom model. I'm not saying they shouldn't model rip at all, I'm just saying they should do MORE than model rip should the character require a model, like a character that has been previously playable.

I can agree with this.

A playable character from a previous Smash didn't get even a trophy despite being included in the game's data files. Of course he deserved a trophy at the very least!

Roy got exactly what he deserved, a sticker of him. He isn't very important to the Fire Emblem franchise, and I have heard fans say that he is a very boring character in his own game, unfortunately I haven't gotten around to playing his game yet.

So did Doc(who also has data within Brawl's source files) and so did Young Link. At least Mewtwo and Pichu were given props, it just would of been nice for them to give these characters who have been within Smash before a trophy.

I have never heard of Doc having files in Brawl and Young Link isn't all that important to the Zelda franchise especially when Toon Link already has the youth portrayal. MewTwo was important to Pokemon for being the first Uber pokemon and Pichu is a notable mascot of gen 2. Them having trophies makes more sense than Roy, Young Link, or Doctor Mario having them.

 

[Commander]

Sorry about the double post. Wish there was a way to delete them.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Smash is a tribute series, it should b paying tribute to Nintendo's history, not its own.

Is Smash not a part of that history? After all; without Smash the west would never of even got Fire Emblem. Originally Marth and Roy were going to be Japan only, and the majority of us wouldn't have known about the series at all.

Roy got exactly what he deserved, a sticker of him. He isn't very important to the Fire Emblem franchise, and I have heard fans say that he is a very boring character in his own game, unfortunately I haven't gotten around to playing his game yet.

His game saved the series over in Japan. It was basically what Awakening was during the Melee period; Fire Emblem wasn't selling so well, and his game turned out to be a huge hit over there. He was also the first lord to not live in the same continent as Marth had, allowing for more world building.
His inclusion in Melee also helped launch Fire Emblem into the west, and his father was made the first western lord as a result. Chronobound has some very good pieces about Roy which are worth a read. Like you, I didn't think he was that important before reading them, but apparently he's a huge deal in Japan, and his and Mewtwo's removals were the most comment complaint about Brawl.
And even if he wasn't, Roy's still more important overall to Fire Emblem than Sothe, who did get a trophy. So no, Roy didn't get what he deserved. At all. He didn't even get the runner's up prize of assist trophy, nor third place prize as a trophy, he got the wooden spoon prize of being a sticker.

I have never heard of Doc having files in Brawl and Young Link isn't all that important to the Zelda franchise especially when Toon Link already has the youth portrayal. MewTwo was important to Pokemon for being the first Uber pokemon and Pichu is a notable mascot of gen 2. Them having trophies makes more sense than Roy, Young Link, or Doctor Mario having them.

Within the source files of Brawl there was data found of seven scrapped characters that had to be left out due to time constraints. They were; Mewtwo, Roy, Doctor Mario, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik(although you could assume it was Tetra, not Sheik) and "Pra_mai" which some people have speculated might of been Plusle and Minun.

Mewtwo is important, no one can deny that, but Pichu was so unimportant it was the only cut Melee smasher that was actually planned from the get go, if Toon Link is viewed as the updated Young Link. I think the trophy inclusion is more to do with it being an easy rip again personally.

Young Link is kind of more important overall than you're giving him credit though due to the majority of Zelda games starring a younger Link opposed to Adult Link. Doc is less so, but he was still planned for inclusion alongside Roy and Mewtwo as playables and was part of a hugely successful puzzle series.

So yes I would argue they all deserved a trophy more than the likes of fricking Jet the Hawk, Ballyhoo & Bigtop, Sothe or Starly.

Maybe they'll get a trophy this time round at least and you can read about why they're more deserving than you give them credit for.

 

[Commander]

Is Smash not a part of that history? After all; without Smash the west would never of even got Fire Emblem. Originally Marth and Roy were going to be Japan only, and the majority of us wouldn't have known about the series at all.

It could have been Marth alone or Marth and Leif and that would have created western interest in Fire Emblem. The fact that it was Roy who was put in isn't that important.

His game saved the series over in Japan. It was basically what Awakening was during the Melee period; Fire Emblem wasn't selling so well, and his game turned out to be a huge hit over there. He was also the first lord to not live in the same continent as Marth had, allowing for more world building.
His inclusion in Melee also helped launch Fire Emblem into the west, and his father was made the first western lord as a result. Chronobound has some very good pieces about Roy which are worth a read. Like you, I didn't think he was that important before reading them, but apparently he's a huge deal in Japan, and his and Mewtwo's removals were the most comment complaint about Brawl.
And even if he wasn't, Roy's still more important overall to Fire Emblem than Sothe, who did get a trophy. So no, Roy didn't get what he deserved. At all. He didn't even get the runner's up prize of assist trophy, nor third place prize as a trophy, he got the wooden spoon prize of being a sticker.

I would like to see how he had saved the series. Awakening saved the series in Japan too because it wasn't selling well before it either. What I do know about Roy is that he was a kinda revival for the series, as Metroid Prime was for Metroid, because there were no Fire Emblem games during the N64 era. Maybe Intelligent Systems wanted to hype up Radiant Dawn which is why only PoR and RD characters, and also Lyn, appear as trophies. It wouldn't be too hard to believe they suggested trophies as well.

Within the source files of Brawl there was data found of seven scrapped characters that had to be left out due to time constraints. They were; Mewtwo, Roy, Doctor Mario, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik(although you could assume it was Tetra, not Sheik) and "Pra_mai" which some people have speculated might of been Plusle and Minun.

I knew about the others but I guess I must have forgotten about Doc. Maybe he was planned to be an alt like Wario has, but was scrapped for some reason.

Mewtwo is important, no one can deny that, but Pichu was so unimportant it was the only cut Melee smasher that was actually planned from the get go, if Toon Link is viewed as the updated Young Link. I think the trophy inclusion is more to do with it being an easy rip again personally.

Well of course Pichu was getting cut, he was a joke character, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a mascot for gen 2. The only other pokemon that really works for a gen 2 mascot is Marill.

Young Link is kind of more important overall than you're giving him credit though due to the majority of Zelda games starring a younger Link opposed to Adult Link. Doc is less so, but he was still planned for inclusion alongside Roy and Mewtwo as playables and was part of a hugely successful puzzle series.

Toon Link is the new Young Link. There isn't ever going to be a Toon Adult Link.

So yes I would argue they all deserved a trophy more than the likes of fricking Jet the Hawk, Ballyhoo & Bigtop, Sothe or Starly. Maybe they'll get a trophy this time round at least and you can read about why they're more deserving than you give them credit for.

I understand Ballyhoo & Bigtop but I don't see what is wrong with the other characters.

 

[pitthekit]

I find trophys could be used to advertise other nintendo games! I mean brawl had like no fire emblem trophys except for a few.

 

[YoshiandToad]

First of all, I'd like to apologize if I'm coming off a bit irritated, but I really believe all of the Melee vets were deserving of a trophy at the very least, especially when we got a SSB catogary and when the trophies for each series were a little thin on the ground(especially FE).

I would like to see how he had saved the series. Awakening saved the series in Japan too because it wasn't selling well before it either. What I do know about Roy is that he was a kinda revival for the series, as Metroid Prime was for Metroid, because there were no Fire Emblem games during the N64 era. Maybe Intelligent Systems wanted to hype up Radiant Dawn which is why only PoR and RD characters, and also Lyn, appear as trophies. It wouldn't be too hard to believe they suggested trophies as well.

Unless I'm mistaken, and apologies if I am, Chronobound's essays can be found in the Roy thread here. It's upto you whether you want to look or not though, but regardless, like you said he has revived the series and thus again, I believe Roy was deserving of a trophy for that act alone as well as bringing FE to the west's attention. Yes, it could of been Leif, but it wasn't. Yes, maybe Marth alone could of been enough, but we don't know.
Thus Roy's inclusion aided Fire Emblem's sales in the west.

With the PoR and RD trophies; I'm more inclined to think it was due to the ease of porting the trophies from PoR and RD. They had to make Lyn themselves for the AT so that's why she's included. No clue at all why Micaiah didn't get one.

I knew about the others but I guess I must have forgotten about Doc. Maybe he was planned to be an alt like Wario has, but was scrapped for some reason.

It's possible, but maybe it was time restraints. Who knows?

Well of course Pichu was getting cut, he was a joke character, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a mascot for gen 2. The only other pokemon that really works for a gen 2 mascot is Marill.

Arguably Togepi as well but I'd agree to that. I just don't think that's the reason for inclusion. More like he was an easy rip from Stadium. Which is fine as by itself, but my argument is I wouldn't rate Pichu as significantly more important to Nintendo overall than Young Link.

Toon Link is the new Young Link. There isn't ever going to be a Toon Adult Link.

100% Agreed. I'm not arguing Young for playable here, I just think he deserves the trophy for his parts in Majora's Mask, Ocarina and Smash at least.

I understand Ballyhoo & Bigtop but I don't see what is wrong with the other characters.

Jet's not important to Nintendo history at all, Starly is fine but isn't a Pokeball Pokemon, nor has any real relevence in Pokemon. Sothe himself is fine, but he's an odd pick at best since Micaiah didn't even get one.
Whilst I don't have a problem with the above getting trophies, I just think the cut Melee veterans deserved them more than all of them.

Anyway; with the SSE not being back in, and not taking up a huge amount of resources and time, I'm pretty hopeful we can get a decent amount of trophies and models this time round.

 

[finalark]

I find trophys could be used to advertise other nintendo games! I mean brawl had like no fire emblem trophys except for a few.

I'm pretty sure that Smash is a meta-advertisement for other Nintendo games as it is. Hell, it got an entire previously-exclusive series localized in the west based on characters alone.

I would love to see the lottery from Melee to return, I hated the coin launcher game from Brawl.

 

[Vintage Creep]

A more diverse coin launcher would be so much better than the lottery, come on.

 

[finalark]

A more diverse coin launcher would be so much better than the lottery, come on.

I didn't care for the coin launcher, IMO it was boring and felt like a monotonous time sink. I'd rather have the lottery back so I don't have to waste time with a stupid minigame.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I didn't care for the coin launcher, IMO it was boring and felt like a monotonous time sink. I'd rather have the lottery back so I don't have to waste time with a stupid minigame.

So wasting time by pressing a button over and over is better?

 

[finalark]

So wasting time by pressing a button over and over is better?

You get more trophies in half the time and its significantly less monotonous. It's the same skinner-box tactics that slot machines use, but by god is it more exciting for it.

 

[pitthekit]

I prefer the lottery lol I get trophys to read their descriptions- not play a sub par mini game

 

[Commander]

Unless I'm mistaken, and apologies if I am, Chronobound's essays can be found in the Roy thread here. It's upto you whether you want to look or not though, but regardless, like you said he has revived the series and thus again, I believe Roy was deserving of a trophy for that act alone as well as bringing FE to the west's attention. Yes, it could of been Leif, but it wasn't. Yes, maybe Marth alone could of been enough, but we don't know.
Thus Roy's inclusion aided Fire Emblem's sales in the west.

I can't find any essay. All I see is Chronobound showing that Roy was well received in Japan and was the most popular of the GBA characters. This does not make him important. Ike's games are some of the worst selling games in the series and yet not only was he added to smash, IS has treated him nicer too. So I still don't see Roy's importance and I didn't see Roy reversing poor sales trends being brought up.

 

[Deleted member]

Meh. I'm indifferent on Trophies. I collect the Trophies, but I don't really read most of them unless I'm really bored.

It's a nice addition that is there, but I wouldn't care if it didn't make it back in the next Smash game.