san-romanov
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Sheik doens't deserv to be gone. Sakurai only has to change his movement and moderate his speed, nothing else. What is your opinion ?
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IN all honesty, I hope sheik isn't gone, but with a new moveset and physic mechanics
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I'm actually getting the feeling that ZSS may just be her replacement. They have their differences, but they look pretty similar, there's some moves that are almost exactly the same, and the specials have a lot in common. Basically like a Sheik that uses her chain for everything. The fighting style seems close enough for ZSS to be the replacement if they find it necessary.
rageagainst
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of course he(she) doesn't have to be gone, even if he only appeared in one game as a plot trick, his popularity from ssbm should win him a spot (obviously popularity alone won't help, as roy is definately gone, and falco is fighting for his slot) but im pretty sure everyone with a unique moveset will be back one way or another
(which is why zelda didn't have a sword in SSBB because they would have to scrap an entire moveset to do that, and looking at all the other characters, they really don't like doing that).
(which is why zelda didn't have a sword in SSBB because they would have to scrap an entire moveset to do that, and looking at all the other characters, they really don't like doing that).
vesperview
Smash Hero
Funny I forgot when ZSS was in a Zelda game, Sheik had a paralyzer that fired blasts and appeared fighting Ridley in Metroid.[/sarcasm] ZSS is NOT Sheik's replacement, just because they both have whips and are transformations of one character doesn't mean they're similar, cause if ZSS had a separate roster space I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that.
There is really no word as to Sheik's return or departure, while the Twilight Princess precedence in Brawl does affect her chances, no one said that was a reason not to include her, I'm still betting that's reason enough for Midna to appear in Brawl and not Sheik.
blueriku
Smash Journeyman
you can really change sheik's movement then she wont be sheik she should still have her speed as for the effect of her moves as well as prioity that is what will realistically change to something more balanced.
That first sarcasm part made my day right there.
SuperLink9
Smash Lord
Do we really have to keep making threads like this? Can't there just be a "Shiek" thread, where the matter of Shiek being in Brawl is discussed? Rather than 2-4 threads that all end up in the same way?
I've looked around on youTube and a lot of the moves look the same. The Neutral A and Bair in particular. Also, I never said Sheik and Zamus were the same person, I said they had similarities in their fighting style. Like, a chargable, small knockback stagger move as a Neutral B, a whip as a Side B, very similar jumps and speeds. Obviously they wouldn't take all of Sheik's physics and give them to a different character, but it seems like a lot of the fighting style could've been retained.
vesperview
Smash Hero
You're just saying that cause is a Samus transformation like Sheik is to Zelda, you wouldn't say it if ZSS had a separate space in the roster.
No, I understand there's differences in the transformation. As far as I know, they both have full movesets and can only be changed during a final smash (Or maybe the beginning of battle). The concept is really the same though. Samus is meant to be a powerhouse, but she can't move as well, whereas Zero Suit Samus is more of an agile combo-er. If anything, it's a better version, because they both have full movesets and you can still choose which better suits you, just like in Melee.
Even if she was a separate spot in the roster though, she still looks similar. She's still be a speedy human character in a body suit that combos well and has better movement than her counterpart.
Even if she was a separate spot in the roster though, she still looks similar. She's still be a speedy human character in a body suit that combos well and has better movement than her counterpart.
Boxob
Smash Champion
The Zelda in SSBB is the Twilight Princess model, if sheik's in it, she'll be a separate character. Which would be stupid because sheik was a minor part of the game when you think about it. Simply a disguised Zelda from a different game.
Yup, that whole "unique" thing is gone. If it were a choice between ZSS and Sheik I'd pick ZSS (if only because I can't think of many deserving Metroid characters).
Your Hero
Smash Champion
I do like Sheik, but if they get another, more popular female character that has her same moves, then I wouldn't mind 
SuperLink9
Smash Lord
It's a good idea for characters though, I mean, this is a game about game characters, & tons of game characters change their form. If all the characters in the game could transform & there was only one standalone character, would that mean that "there shouldn't be any more standalone characters because that would ruin the unique-ness of it"?
On Melee there were only 2 characters with a grapple to grab edges, & they've clearly expanded on that. When something is unique they don't have to keep it unique, they can expand on it & make something else that's unique. Besides if you ask me, at least it's not 3 transforming characters that all transform in the same way.
- Shiek = VB
- ZSS = Final Smash
- Pokémon Trainer = Forced to alternate between 3 unique characters.
They're all unique, still more unique to each other than Mario is to say, Bowser, because they are standalone characters who rely on their moves. All the transforming characters are unique in their ways, I don't see why "it not beign unique anymore" prevents Shiek's return.
Also, we have no proof whatsoever that continuity means anything in Smash Bros world, like I keep saying, so the "It's her TP model" isn't a solid argument.
On Melee there were only 2 characters with a grapple to grab edges, & they've clearly expanded on that. When something is unique they don't have to keep it unique, they can expand on it & make something else that's unique. Besides if you ask me, at least it's not 3 transforming characters that all transform in the same way.
- Shiek = VB
- ZSS = Final Smash
- Pokémon Trainer = Forced to alternate between 3 unique characters.
They're all unique, still more unique to each other than Mario is to say, Bowser, because they are standalone characters who rely on their moves. All the transforming characters are unique in their ways, I don't see why "it not beign unique anymore" prevents Shiek's return.
Also, we have no proof whatsoever that continuity means anything in Smash Bros world, like I keep saying, so the "It's her TP model" isn't a solid argument.
vesperview
Smash Hero
That's like comparing Bowser and Dedede just because they're heavy.
It's 2.
Not mentioning how he transforms doesn't help your case. >_>
You missed it. Samus is the power of the team (not sure what the hell they did to her Charge Shot, but she embodies "power" nonetheless), Zero Suit is the speed. Zelda is the power of the team, Sheik is the speed. That was the unique thing. In a sense, these 2 share the exact same transformation.
However, after watching a few of the Metaknight videos, I am willing to allow Sheik to return if she combos as well as he does and Zelda kills like Ike does (>_>; <_<; ). Gross exaggerations but you get what I'm saying.