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Impossible (or not!) Smash! The Laharl Thread!!

PrinnyFlute

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CHA-CHAAN!!!

Well, I figured, amidst the 6 OMG SONIC AND MARIO @ OLIEMPIC threads and everything else that hangs around on the Smash Boards, it wouldn't hurt to make a speculative, fun little thread. That's what it's about, right? Speculation and/or fun?

Well, anyway, I'll start off with the disclaimer that Laharl can't make it into Smash given the supposed ruleset we have. He's only seen life on the PS2 (and PSP, and cellphones, but.) But other than that, Laharl is thematically a great fit for Smash. I know this thread is 'omg dum' or 'lowers the collective Smash Boards IQ' or...well, whatever. But as long as it's well thought out and entertaining, what's the harm?

(Note! As later mentioned, a Disgaea DS game is supposedly in the works at this moment and to be released this fiscal year, making him not technically completely impossible!
http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo-ds/disgaea-heading-to-the-ds-265405.php )


So, onto the thread!


LAHARL - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laharl#Laharl

Profession: Overlord of the Netherworld.
Age: 1313 human years (as of Disgaea: Hour of Darkness.)
Skills: Being bossy. (?) Adept Sword, Axe, and Knuckle user.
Weaknesses: Love-mania. Well endowed women.

Following the demise of his father, King Krichevskoy, Laharl has to fight tooth and nail through hordes of demons to regain his rightful place on the throne. He is a...err, decent...tactician, and when it comes to melee combat he rises above and beyond in all fields. Some argue that, as a leader, he is lackluster and little more than a spoiled brat.

But they died, so that's not important.


Laharl's fighting style is flashy, but not without reason. He's undeniably powerful. His fighting style would be more acrobatic than Marth or Roy's, and more focused on movement based sword attacks.

(Edit: for moveset. I actually spent a bit typing something up already, so now you're getting the even smaller version because I lost it.)

Laharl: Mid-speed/weight character (maybe a smidge faster/lighter than Mario.)

Runs and jumps with his sword held behind him, near the ground, to one side. Idles with it over his shoulder.

Regular A's-set of moderately decent punches, maybe a kick, for fun.

Smash A-Up: Holding his sword with one hand on the hilt and one on the blade, pushes it upward over his head, making a sort of 'platform'/horizontal line with the edge of the sword. Little distance, as he's holding the sword on its side, but wide and hard to avoid while falling.

Smash A-Left/Right: Swings his sword diagonally down from one shoulder and then across to the opposite hip. Slow to execute, with a chunk of cool-down, but blasts opponents almost completely horizontally if it connects.

Smash A-Down: Hefts his sword over his shoulder and slams the ground with a fist, creating a small shockwave.

B- "Wind Cutter": Slow to execute projectile. Laharl has to swing his sword around his body entirely, once, to generate this wind projectile, but the projectile has three hits and decent damage.

B Left/Right- "Blade Rush": Imagine Fox/Falco's dash, but half the speed and with a sword swing through the majority of the movement.

B Up- "Hurricane Slash": Much akin to Kirby's B-Up in movement. Laharl hefts his sword around his body in an upward slash, the force dragging him twisting up into the air. At the apex of his rise, he swings it back downward, and falls quickly with the force of the swing.

B Down- "Blazing Knuckle": In air, Laharl turns into a deadly flaming projectile, hurtling headfirst, fists out, toward the ground and causing a miniscule explosion. On land, he backflips lithely into the air before doing so.

"Super Smash: Overlord's Wrath": The sky fades to black as Laharl gives his signature cackle, hand rising into the air. With a motion, energy solidly manifests itself in hundreds of spheres/etc of power hanging in wait. After a moment of tension, Laharl motions, casually, at his unsuspecting target, and all of these come crashing down on his, or her, pretty little head, resulting in a big, sparkly explosion.


ALTERNATE MOVESET: Axe/Sword Switch Set.

This moveset would pretty much control half like the last, with a weapon switch ala Sheik. His A moves would all be the same (just replacing Axe with Sword when switched,) but his B moves would swap completely, Sword moves more movement based while Axe moves are slower and more powerful.

B - Switch/Sword Draw/Axe Pull: Laharl pockets his current weapon and swings the next, pulling it out of nowhere, the new weapon becoming the current. Works as a mediocre attack. A quick horizontal slash for the sword, a quick overhead chop for the axe.

Sword Set -

B Left/Right - "Blade Rush" See Above

B Up - "Hurricane Slash" See Above

B Down - "Blazing Knuckle" See Above

Axe Set -

B Left/Right - "Violent Storm" Laharl begins a flurry of horizontal axe strikes. Continuing to tap the button will continue the strikes, but his stamina depletes gradually until the attacks slow to a complete halt. If you keep pushing until Laharl is out of energy, he'll be left exhausted for a moment.

B Up - "Skull Splitter" Laharl Swings the axe in a complete circle around his body, the momentum also springing him upward halfway through the swing. Effectively his third jump.

B Down - "Boulder Crush" Can be done two times in a row. The first swing, Laharl slams his axe into the ground for a moderately powerful vertical attack. If B-Down is entered again before the attack hits the ground then he'll lift the axe from the ground, pulling up a chunk of earth with it, and execute another vertical swing with better reach and damage. It's possible the size of the chunk of earth could be random, as could the shape.
 

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Ooh, disgaea? Great game.
If you do make a moveset, though, you probably ought to stick to his axe prowess. Not too much originality left for sword users, without making the moves too complex or overpowered.
 

PrinnyFlute

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Ooh, disgaea? Great game.
If you do make a moveset, though, you probably ought to stick to his axe prowess. Not too much originality left for sword users, without making the moves too complex or overpowered.
Buuuuut he looks so cool with a sword. :( I was thinking Laharl's would be more a combination of sword and fist, with most of his moves actually being more akin to the quicker, non-sword characters from Melee. (IF I had to make a comparison.) But I could always do a move-set for both weapons...or maybe he'd even swap them out.

Well, actually, how's this? Somewhat similar to Shiek, but not. His A moves are all barefisted, and his B-moves are mostly weapon moves, and one combination actually switches weapons, only changing his B-set...tough.
 

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Edited for moveset.

I wish we could see characters who've never appeared on a Nintendo console (I have dreams of Olcadan in smash) but we can't
Yeah, that's what I said originally. ...Olcadan? Really? Interesting choice.
 

PrinnyFlute

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I...don't think 0% (or 0.000001%, if there's a chance Sakurai might go back on some of his statements,) is really such a big percentile difference from some of the characters that get posted around here.

Besides, I hardly think having a decent, enjoyable conversation is the worst thing you can do with forum space.
 

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Hm, I like the idea you're having about the moveset. The sooner you get it up, the sooner we can really get in depth with the discussion.

But, laharl is impossible? To be clear, which sakurai quote bans him?
 

PrinnyFlute

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Hm, I like the idea you're having about the moveset. The sooner you get it up, the sooner we can really get in depth with the discussion.

But, laharl is impossible? To be clear, which sakurai quote bans him?
I edited his Sword moveset into the first post, since I'd been thinking about it for a little while now. I'll try to edit up the multi-weapon one tonight or tomorrow, if the thread's still here. ;)

There's a quote by Sakurai (at least, everyone says there is,) about the characters having to had appeared on a Nintendo system at some point in time. I thought that there was going to be a Disgaea GBA game a while back, like a weird customizable dungeon crawler, but I think it was scrapped in dev or it was actually on Mobile platforms the whole time.
 

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Oh yeah, that quote! I'm so used to looking at 3rd party characters that met that qualification, that I forgot all about it. Yep, so I guess it is impossible, then.

Well... on the bright side, I do like the atmosphere of your moveset, and since a moveset can be made for anyone, perhaps you could transfer it into someone similar that does have a chance at brawl, making adjustments to fit it to the character?
 

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Edited for the Switch moveset, and, yeah. I don't think Sakurai would actually see and listen to any of my movesets whether I wrote them for Mario or Oscar the Grouch. But I'll probably just let this die if we're the only two Disgaea fans around here. ;P
 

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Ha! Ha...aha. Well, anyway. Sorry to bump an ancient thread, folks, but maybe it's not -completely- impossible. In a recent interview with a NISA (American branch of the dev-company behind Disgaea,) a rep was asked about the possibility of Disgaea on the DS.

"Nao: Let me just say this... you can look forward to it!"
http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo-ds/disgaea-heading-to-the-ds-265405.php

A recent financial report from the Japanese company also revealed that they'll be releasing their first DS title this fiscal year, so one can only wonder how long it's been in development.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/srpgs-for-everyone/nippon-ichi-loves-on-nintendo-270096.php

Disgaea DS in America as a response to the Japan-only Disgaea PSP? Just maybe. If it comes out before Brawl, it should even -technically- make Laharl pass all of the rules. Laharl's, or any Disgaea characters, chances would still be pretty abysmal, but they'd be there. And probably bigger than laughing-dogs, so, in yer face Smash Boards.
 

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I'm playing through this game at the moment and loving it. He would be a cool but very unlikely addition.
 

PrinnyFlute

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I'm playing through this game at the moment and loving it. He would be a cool but very unlikely addition.
It does seem entirely unlikely, though it makes me wonder...what kind of games does Sakurai like to play? And he does kind of like obscure stuff. Even still, it's a really long shot. This also opens the doors for Flonne, Etna, and the Prinnies...well, speculatively, anyway. Pringer X Final Smash FTW!
 

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For everyone who wants an impossible character in a new smash game, please see my "extreme what if" thread on the general brawl discussion board. Covers stuff like this and then some.
 

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As an extreme Disgaea junkie, this thread makes me smile. Mad props to the OP.

But we already have too many sword-users in the game, so I motion for a bit more magic... Flonne for Brawl! :p

By the way, thanks for the heads-up on the DS thing. I'll sleep happy today after such news :).
I'll try to post some ideas tomorrow - my hand aches of all this Wii-typing today :(
 

PrinnyFlute

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Hey, hey, he's a little more possible now.

SWEET. The more Disgaea junkies we amass, the better the world will be. ;)

Don't forget, Laharl is perfectly adept at bare fisted and axe brawling, too. Flonne, though, would make an awesome wingaling magic/arrow user. Flonne-zilla Final Smash! But who wouldn't want Etna, either? ;P

Any newcomers can feel free to check out the original Disgaea US trailer to get a taste of the chaos that is the netherworld.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lQQ4IP-hDko

More pointless fun to come!
 
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