Important Zero Samus Discovery!!!

[_the_sandman_]

For the past year I've been seeing posts about Zero Suit Samus as well as Samus. And I have a conclusion to what is the deal with these two.

Before Sakurai changed the site, there were several new characters shown with info about them. Under Zero Suit Samus, he mentions that she isn't a pure character addition. He also has mentions several times that he is removing characters, mainly the clones.

So technically Zero Samus is the same as Samus. They're the same person but with completely different styles of fighting. So it isn't a new character, but it is a new addition overall.

In other words Samus and Zero Samus will be separate characters.


Still think I'm wrong? Well listen to this. The Smash Ball has been announced. So if Samus were to turn into Zero Samus, she would need the Smash Ball. So what would be the point in making a new character when they can only be used from an item? Besides tournaments usually don't allow items, so players who use Zero Samus would be out of luck.

Its not as crazy as you may think. It IS possible for a game to have two of the same character, but with different fighting styles. Believe it or not, but when the game comes out you'll see that I'm right about this.

 

[Sariku]

Your bring up a good point^^ But I won't agree nor disagree until he gives us more Info. I think it will be a transformation, but after you transform, you CAN'T Change back, no matter what, for the whole match.

 

[kithkin]

Holy conspiracy theories batman!

I'm going to wait till thats not just a crazy guess.

 

[killbeast301]

Originally posted by Sakurai
Under Certain conditions Samus will remove her armor and become Zero Suit Samus

Also, Samus most likely won't need the smash ball to become ZS Samus. You seem to know the opposite, yet claim that it won't happen?

 

[_the_sandman_]

That could work but it still requires an item to use. It would be a bummer if she turned out to be amazing but wasn't able to be used in tournaments.

Sticking to the site, of course, is a smart idea.

 

[Fanewgie]

The way I see it, is when Sakurai said that she is not a "pure" character edition, he means in the same way that Dr. Mario was not a pure character edition.

In other words, the character themselves already exists in the series, but another version is being introduced.

However, I'm keeping an open mind until Sakurai releases her as a newcomer and we get the truth. Perhaps tonight? :D

I am however praying that it is not a transformation. Zelda was always a gimmick, IMO, and most players I see either play Zelda or Shiek, and don't fuse them into one character. So they might as well be seperate characters and get an additional move each.

 

[Sariku]

Don't even get comments on mine...

 

[_the_sandman_]

Also, Samus most likely won't need the smash ball to become ZS Samus. You seem to know the opposite, yet claim that it won't happen?

Under certain conditions could mean actually "unlocking" her with Samus through classic mode or something.

 

[gnosis]

Actually it's really simple to have them be the same character, have both available in tournaments, and have them transform via Samus's Final Smash.

1) Samus turns into Zamus through using her Final Smash.

2) Once Samus is Zamus, there's no going back to Samus (in that match).

3) You can start as Zamus if you hold A as a match is loading, like Zelda/Sheik.

That way, Zamus and Samus would be separate characters in tournaments without items, while still being the same character.

 

[the grim lizard]

If Ganondorf and Falco leave, I'll be very sad...

(Almost as sad as if Ridley doesn't get in...)

On topic, though...Zamus could easily just be a separate character. I see no reason to make her be something that has to be some crazy transformation of Samus. Plus, what move of Samus' would they remove? I guess it's hard to speculate without even knowing the control scheme either.

We should probably just wait until they just SAY outright.

 

[Sariku]

I liked my idea better, but yours was about the same. I just think it should be a permanent transformation, the Super Smash should have nothing to do with it. I mean, if your best was Samus, but suck with Zamus, and you see a smash orb, you won't just let your oppoment get it... it should just be a transformation, that can't be changed.

 

[_the_sandman_]

If Ganondorf and Falco leave, I'll be very sad...

(Almost as sad as if Ridley doesn't get in...)

They probably will return with a completely different move set. And Sakurai said he wants more metroid characters so Ridley and another Samus would be good additions.

 

[killbeast301]

Under certain conditions could mean actually "unlocking" her with Samus through classic mode or something.

[sarcasm]Yes because she would remove her armor and we would not get to use Samus ever again. That makes a lot of sense[/sarcasm]
most people know Samus as the person in the power suit. Sakurai wouldn't make it impossible to play with the Suit

 

[Toasty!]

Actually it's really simple to have them be the same character, have both available in tournaments, and have them transform via Samus's Final Smash.

1) Samus turns into Zamus through using her Final Smash.

2) Once Samus is Zamus, there's no going back to Samus (in that match).

3) You can start as Zamus if you hold A as a match is loading, like Zelda/Sheik.

That way, Zamus and Samus would be separate characters in tournaments without items, while still being the same character.

lol no. Give me proof. And don't tell me the video, because it could just be for effects.

 

[killbeast301]

lol no. Give me proof. And don't tell me the video, because it could just be for effects.

He said it could be that way and work. He did not say it will be that way. We all know it could be via final smash, but not likely.

 

[Toasty!]

Uhhhhhhhh WRONG.

He said "under certain conditions." on the old site. He never said Samus was to lose her Armor after doing a Final Smash.

(I was talking about the people who are like "Final Smathch maKes it Happen!!1!1")

 

[Sariku]

I'M ALWAYS F*CKING IGNORED........ -takes pills- -eye twitches- Ignored....

 

[_the_sandman_]

Sakurai says he wants more Metroid characters. Other than Ridley who else could be put in? Why not have two Samus characters?

Besides in the 2nd video she can be seen changing her whip into a gun. If she could do that, along with a lot more unique attributes, why not be her own character? Why would Sakurai go through all of the efforts in making a character that only can be used through a Smash Ball? Why wouldn't he make another Samus character?

My guess is you beat classic mode with Samus and you unlock Zero Suit Samus. It would make sense. Of course we won't know till the site says so, but until then I strongly believe Zero Samus will be her own character and argue for it till I'm proven wrong.

 

[Toasty!]

Sakurai says he wants more Metroid characters. Other than Ridley who else could be put in? Why not have two Samus characters?

Besides in the 2nd video she can be seen changing her whip into a gun. If she could do that, along with a lot more unique attributes, why not be her own character? Why would Sakurai go through all of the efforts in making a character that only can be used through a Smash Ball? Why wouldn't he make another Samus character?

My guess is you beat classic mode with Samus and you unlock Zero Suit Samus. It would make sense. Of course we won't know till the site says so, but until then I strongly believe Zero Samus will be her own character and argue for it till I'm proven wrong.

Because It's sexier.

BTW, It ISN'T by Final Smash! Quit saying it is!

 

[tstumo]

I think you make a lot of sense. I'm starting to believe the video where she does her attack and loses her armor was just a neat way of introducing her as a newcomer. thus confirming armored Samus as a charcter but at the same time introducing Zsamus as a new character. how else would they have introduced her in the trailer? it would make the most sense that they make her a seperate character rather than toil over making her a zelda/sheik transformation.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Lets see what facts we may have here.

Samus and Zero Samus are different. (So they aren't completely clones)
We already have a character who can transform (Zelda/Sheik)
Zero Samus can change her weapons (So why transform to transform again?)
Sakurai wants more Metriod characters (Another Samus and Ridley)
You can get her under certain conditions. (Unlocking through 1 player makes sense)
Smash Ball is an item (Why would Sakurai make a character only usable through an item?)

I'm sure there's more. But so far she seems like her own character.

 

[killbeast301]

You say that it has to be by final smash, but then procede to tell us that it has to be by unlocking? Again, please explain, then I'll listen to your other arguments.

Edit: you're right in the post above. Sakurai most likely won't make it by final smash. But that doesn't mean it can't be by some other mid match circumstance

 

[Markus Aralius]

i doubt the final smash of samus will be a transfromation...if you watch the E3 trailor you can see samus use his Blaster and it's blast is about the size of marios final smash...so it would make sence that it was her final smash too. otherwise it would be way overpowerd.
my guess is that its going to be a transformation like zelda/sheik.

 

[_the_sandman_]

You say that it has to be by final smash, but then procede to tell us that it isn't, because it can't be? Again, please explain, then I'll listen to your other arguments

Ah I didn't realize I did that. *Ahem* I guess I was looking at it from both sides without mentioning that I was doing so. I'll explain both ways then.

Ok if Samus turned into Zero through the Smash Ball, then that means she could only be used through an item. Which also means she wouldn't be used in tournaments. And I'm sure Sakurai is aware that some people play without items, so why bother making a character who is so dependent on items? If you went through classic mode with Samus, you might obtain Zero once throughout the whole 1 player mode if you're lucky. So what would be the point in making a character that has the risk of barely being used?

I mean, how often do you see Starman throughout a 1 player mode?

Now if Samus were like Zelda/Sheik then things would get even uglier. You see Zero will most likely change her weapon from a whip to a gun, as shown in the video. Which means her whip moves would change to gun moves. Which means she would pretty much transform twice, which wouldn't make sense. Besides Samus would have to sacrifice a move to transform, most likely Down B. Samus would be lost without those bombs, its one of the many ways she is so unique.

 

[CStrife187]

changing from a whip to a gun doesn't necessarily involve a transformation. I think that for certain attacks it will be a whip ( certain A attacks) and for certain attacks it will be a gun (possibly B attacks). I also highly doubt that it will take an actual move for pit to turn his bow into two blades, it will just happen automatically for certain moves. This isn't the kind of game like Tekken or Soul Calibur where people are going to learn to use different stances (like Hwaorong or Raphael), and I doubt that they would waste a character's move on making their weapon change shapes.

An Example

Link has a bow, a boomerang, and a sword/sheild combo. You don't have to use any special moves to "transform" from his sword to his boomerang, his boomerang is just one of his special moves. Therefore it would make sense that Zero Suit Samus's gun/whip works the same way.

Because the gun/whip does not require transformation, it is perfectly feasable that samus could transform during the match into Zero Suit Samus because Zero Suit Samus does not undergo any further transformation. Not to mention Sakurai said that "Under certain conditions Samus will become Zero Suit Samus." This implies a transformation more readily than it implies unlocking, but it clearly states neither.

 

[_the_sandman_]

That is a good point with Link, how his shield/sword combo changes for various moves. I agree that Pit will act just the same. As for Zero Samus it was awfully strange how they zoomed up on her changing her weapon.

Assuming you're right about this. Lets say in the video she was reloading her weapon, or even that the ability to have her poke at the gun like that was removed for the game. Now if she doesn't manually change her weapon she is now in the same situation as Link, which wouldn't be all that bad.

Now for the bigger question. Would Samus require to transform by the Smash Ball, or the Zelda/Sheik way. Both ways in my opinion are rather tough on Samus. Smash Ball because it is an item, and Zelda/Sheik style because Samus would lose a B move.

Sakurai is very smart with this game, we have already seen what improvements he has done with former items. I think he wants to keep the original 12 characters the same as they were in Melee. Of course he'll upgrade them here and there for improvements, but most of all he doesn't want to disappoint any fans. I think Samus going through a drastic change like transforming would be a bigger disappointment than people realize.

Honestly, who here uses both Zelda and Sheik? (Don't flood this post with answers to that.) I don't mind people who only use Sheik, but its clear to me that a lot of people hate Zelda and have the nerve to call her a bad character just because she has Sheik as an alter-ego.

Now if that happened to Samus, not only would she lose a B move, she would also become very one sided. I've never versed anyone that has evenly used both Zelda and Sheik, and I've played through an abundant amount of tournaments. I believe losing a great move like the bomb isn't worth becoming a very one sided character.

Sure if Zelda and Sheik were two different characters it would be completely different, but they're not. And a Samus/Zamus combo would only lead one of them to rejection. Not many people have the capability to evenly use a two sided character for some reason, so they stick with one.

Besides, in the 2nd vid it looks like Zamus has a kicking move which goes down very quickly. If its anything like Falcon Kick, it would be Down B. And bombs are Down B, so it kind of erases that possibility of transforming if it is a B move.

 

[Mic_128]

Before Sakurai changed the site, there were several new characters shown with info about them. Under Zero Suit Samus, he mentions that she isn't a pure character addition. He also has mentions several times that he is removing characters, mainly the clones.

So technically Zero Samus is the same as Samus. They're the same person but with completely different styles of fighting. So it isn't a new character, but it is a new addition overall.

In other words Samus and Zero Samus will be separate characters.

Or a Transformation like Sheik-Zelda

Still think I'm wrong? Well listen to this. The Smash Ball has been announced. So if Samus were to turn into Zero Samus, she would need the Smash Ball.

Says who? Not Sakurai.