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Ike and Lucario: best choices they could make
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ClarkJables
Smash Lord
they could never get rid of pika and jiggly
tirkaro
Smash Champion
they best not get rid of jiggly if sakurai knows whats good for him.
ClarkJables
Smash Lord
it would be nice though if lucario wasn't in
Tony_
Smash Ace
Lucario's chances of getting in are slim to none. In fact, I will be shocked if a 4th gen pokemon was in the game.
Wreked
Smash Lord
I know someone is going to flame me for this but Jigglypuff needs to be out. He is so random, in the anime he sung people to sleep then wrote on thier faces. Somebody is going to say, Oh he is so unique such a creative moveset. That's the same response I get every time I mention Jiggs or G&W and IC. Those three, Pichu, Roy, maybe Marth(spot could go to someone better), Falco(see marth), Ness(Lucas can replace), Y Link(see marth) and Shiek. All ten of these could easily be replace. Here i'll make some suggestions. Jiggs, lucario. G&W, Balloon Fighter. IC, Midna and Wolf Link. Pichu, he just needs out. Roy, Hector. Marth, Lyn. Falco, Wolf. Ness, Lucas. Y Link, Vaati, Skull Kid, or WW Link, hopefully Vaati. Sheik, Zamus. Let the flaming begin......Now!
the grim lizard
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I don't follow your logic at all.
Why does anyone need to be replaced? Take out the worthless ones, keep the original ones, and add new ones. It's not like the cap for number of characters is 25 or 30 or something...
Also, let me ask you: Considering the fact that you "always get that answer when you say that"...have you ever considered that you might be wrong??
I guess Kirby and Bowser should have gone, too, then. Or Link and Samus should have gone after SSB64. Seriously, you don't think they can fix him?
Wreked
Smash Lord
You think Doc Mario, Pichu, Roy, and Young Link deserve to stay. Besides most of the characters I listed are clones. Sakurai doesn't like clones. Easy as that.
PitIcarus
Smash Ace
Ya because why would Nintendo want to give free promotion to the latest installments of there #1 profitable franchise.
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I cannot even begin to fathom why you'd think that.
Well, actually I can, but the reason that I come up with is REALLY stupid.
And? She's popular in Japan, get over it.
Yeah, because it's true. They have unique movesets so there's no need to get rid of them. YOU may not like them, but that doesn't matter. At all.
"could easily be replaced" does not mean they should be. I find it so odd that you basically mentioned just about all the clones in there, but didn't even bother mentioning Dr. Mario—the one clone who is really almost literally a costume change already.
I support Lucario, but you'd have a hard time getting rid of Jigglypuff. I could go into why that is, but I'm sure you already know.
I guess I don't have any real problem with this, personally. But again, you're talking about scrapping a unique moveset for no really sound reason.
That's random. How about "just add Midna and Wold Link" if that's how you feel. You don't HAVE to replace people. . . .
If someone HAD to go to make room for another pokemon, I could see it being Pichu, and I guess it would be the one I'd want. But still, I don't like all the Pichu hate on the boards. I guess I can't fault you for that though.
Don't play Fire Emblem, don't care. But eliminating BOTH Marth and Roy is, again, talking about just trashing one moveset completely, assuming the new characters you mentioned wouldn't be clones of Marth or Roy. If THAT'S the case, I still don't see why Marth would go. Wasn't he the first "Lord" or something?
This is the one that really gets me.
I understand that Falco was a clone in Melee, but he doesn't have to be. Falco is very different from Fox as far as character goes, and he could easily be given a new moveset—NO reason to take him out to put Wolf in. And if you want Wolf to be a clone of Fox too, then you're just being silly. Falco's a good character, no need to lose him. Especially not for ****ing Wolf.
Unfortunately, I can see this happening, just for the fact that it seems like Sakurai did almost do it in Melee. But, at this point, I think Ness has earned his spot. Being part of the starting roster of the last game has made him that much more of a veteran, in my eyes. Why can't we have Ness and Lucas?
I don't follow Zelda too closely (only played a couple games), and that one doesn't seem so bad since Young Link offers nothing Link doesn't already (as far as character). So, whatever.
I don't want Sheik back (as Zelda's dowb B, at least), but I don't get why everyone thinks/hopes Zamus will be her reincarnated. Well, I do, but I think it's dumb.
Anyway, sorry for picking your post apart, but you did say "let the flaming begin".
It just seems like you want to get rid of characters for the sake of getting rid of characters. COMPLETELY getting rid of original movesets (like Jiggly's), in particular, makes no sense to me.
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Oh, you better run boy.
Mewtwo has to stay. Not only is he a pokemon I can be proud to say I use, he looks awesome too. I really hope they tone him up in Brawl.
1337marth
Smash Ace
They said Lucario has a very high chance to be in Brawl, I think Lucario will be in.
PitIcarus
Smash Ace
Lucario is very popular amongst game and anime fans. I remember how pissed so many people were when they found out Lucario wasn't going to be legendary.
So I fail to see how he only has a slim chance of making it.
So I fail to see how he only has a slim chance of making it.
Wreked, I don't think you will ever understand the Jigglypuff issue, but for every smash fan, Jigglypuff is the über owner, especially when it comes to these event matches.
Oh, and please, do not try to explain why. I think Wreked needs to find out for himself on why Jigglypuff owns so hard.
I mean, seriously, that thing that makes Jiggs own so hard, that alone is unique. And not because it owns, but because of its properties.
Oh, and please, do not try to explain why. I think Wreked needs to find out for himself on why Jigglypuff owns so hard.
I mean, seriously, that thing that makes Jiggs own so hard, that alone is unique. And not because it owns, but because of its properties.
1337marth
Smash Ace
I really did not like Mewtwo, pichu is ok.
Wreked
Smash Lord
IMO earthbound doesn't deserve more than one rep. Lucas is just better in my eyes.
Y Link, Vaati, Skull Kid, or WW Link, hopefully Vaati.[/QUOTE]I don't follow Zelda too closely (only played a couple games), and that one doesn't seem so bad since Young Link offers nothing Link doesn't already (as far as character). So, whatever. FYI, I never played the games with WW Link(my neighbor had it so I played it a little), or the ones with Vaati in them. WW Link is new personally I don't want him everybody else does though. Vaati, saw his moveset wanted him them and there. Besides he is the second most reccuring antoginist in the Zelda games.
I don't want Sheik back (as Zelda's dowb B, at least), but I don't get why everyone thinks/hopes Zamus will be her reincarnated. Well, I do, but I think it's dumb. Zamus is quick, uses ninja type moves. Sound familiar?
Anyway, sorry for picking your post apart, but you did say "let the flaming begin".
It just seems like you want to get rid of characters for the sake of getting rid of characters. COMPLETELY getting rid of original movesets (like Jiggly's), in particular, makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE] I was a little pissed off but all these character, again, could go to someone so much better. I just don't see some of them as fighting characters.
D3monicWolv3s
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@Wreked
Balloon Fighter isn't as important. Who was the start of nintendo? G&W... why replace the start of nintendo with another character just because "They're both retro" Yeah doesn't make sense while we are at it lets replace luigi with Waluigi. They are both from the Mario series. Yeah logic. I loves it.
Why those two? and why can't there be more then one team character? Everything has to be replaced for you. -_- Midna, and wolf link has appeared in one game in a huge series.
That would be like adding deku link, zora link, and goron link from MM. Honestly now do they deserve to be in?
^^Just because you hate her doesn't mean she shouldn't return.
Balloon Fighter isn't as important. Who was the start of nintendo? G&W... why replace the start of nintendo with another character just because "They're both retro" Yeah doesn't make sense while we are at it lets replace luigi with Waluigi. They are both from the Mario series. Yeah logic. I loves it.
-sigh- Ness is wordwide. Lucas he hasn't left Japan. I don't see why people believe he is going to be replaced.
Why those two? and why can't there be more then one team character? Everything has to be replaced for you. -_- Midna, and wolf link has appeared in one game in a huge series.
That would be like adding deku link, zora link, and goron link from MM. Honestly now do they deserve to be in?
That is your opinion on the characters, stop hating. -_- You can't see them as fighting characters? They are trophies ****, I can't see trophies ever coming to life and fighting period.
PitIcarus
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Please keep doing multiquotes with different font colors. It's only making my eyes bleed...a little.
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"No, do tell [about why Jiggs is tough to get rid of]."
She's been in both of the past games, she is popular (for whatever reason), and she has a unique moveset, so there's no reason to get rid of her. She may not be as popular as Pikachu or as much of an obvious fighter as, say, Sheik, but she's a perfectly fine Smasher nonetheless.
"I personally think Balloon Fighter is much more "worthy" than G&W. They're both retro."
I don't see why. Balloon Fighter's neat, and yeah he's retro, but Mr. G&W is Mr. Video Game himself. If there's a "worthy" retro character, I think it's him. Still, I don't mind Balloon Fighter and see why people think of G&W as a gimmick.
"The Midna and Wolf Link randomness comes from the two person team just to let you know."
Ah, that makes more sense. Still, would they work the same way Popo and Nana do? Would there be a way for them to be separated?
"So he's the first, doesn't make him the best. Marth is just a cheap shot character to me. Balance him out or something."
Maybe so, but you're always going to have "cheap shot" characters. People are already predicting that Metaknight will be broken. Getting rid of Marth won't solve the lack of balance in the game. Marth (based on my very little knowledge of FE), being the first Lord, is special. He may not technically be the best, but being the first to start off the whole series earns him some credit. It sets him apart from the rest in my mind.
"Sakurai wants villans. Wolf is a popular villan. Easy as that."
Yeah, so it does make sense to add Wolf. I actually rather like the idea of Wolf being in Brawl. But why nix Falco to get him in? Falco's arguably the most popular Star Fox character. We don't need to subtract a character for each one we add.
"IMO earthbound doesn't deserve more than one rep. Lucas is just better in my eyes."
Fair enough; it just seems to me that Ness has created a habit of appearing in Smash now, so I think he's here to stay. I don't play Earthbound/Mother though. So I don't even really know Lucas.
"Zamus is quick, uses ninja type moves. Sound familiar?"
Whether she uses "ninja type moves" is debatable. She's certainly quick, as would be the nature of losing all that heavy armor. But even if she shares that kind of flowing, smooth, A attack set that Sheik had, I don't see her having many, if any, of the same B moves. I think the reason most people (not you, it seems) think of her as the new Sheik is because she's the new "transform into her in some way" character. And that doesn't make much sense.
"I was a little pissed off but all these character, again, could go to someone so much better. I just don't see some of them as fighting characters."
In general, I see where you're coming from. I don't particularly like most of those characters myself, but I see no point in getting rid of them. If there are characters that are more suited for Brawl, my hope is that they'd just be added to the mix, rather than taking someone's spot. I see little being accomplished by exterminating movesets from Melee. Plus, part of the charm is that not all the characters are really "meant" to fight. They just have to.
She's been in both of the past games, she is popular (for whatever reason), and she has a unique moveset, so there's no reason to get rid of her. She may not be as popular as Pikachu or as much of an obvious fighter as, say, Sheik, but she's a perfectly fine Smasher nonetheless.
"I personally think Balloon Fighter is much more "worthy" than G&W. They're both retro."
I don't see why. Balloon Fighter's neat, and yeah he's retro, but Mr. G&W is Mr. Video Game himself. If there's a "worthy" retro character, I think it's him. Still, I don't mind Balloon Fighter and see why people think of G&W as a gimmick.
"The Midna and Wolf Link randomness comes from the two person team just to let you know."
Ah, that makes more sense. Still, would they work the same way Popo and Nana do? Would there be a way for them to be separated?
"So he's the first, doesn't make him the best. Marth is just a cheap shot character to me. Balance him out or something."
Maybe so, but you're always going to have "cheap shot" characters. People are already predicting that Metaknight will be broken. Getting rid of Marth won't solve the lack of balance in the game. Marth (based on my very little knowledge of FE), being the first Lord, is special. He may not technically be the best, but being the first to start off the whole series earns him some credit. It sets him apart from the rest in my mind.
"Sakurai wants villans. Wolf is a popular villan. Easy as that."
Yeah, so it does make sense to add Wolf. I actually rather like the idea of Wolf being in Brawl. But why nix Falco to get him in? Falco's arguably the most popular Star Fox character. We don't need to subtract a character for each one we add.
"IMO earthbound doesn't deserve more than one rep. Lucas is just better in my eyes."
Fair enough; it just seems to me that Ness has created a habit of appearing in Smash now, so I think he's here to stay. I don't play Earthbound/Mother though. So I don't even really know Lucas.
"Zamus is quick, uses ninja type moves. Sound familiar?"
Whether she uses "ninja type moves" is debatable. She's certainly quick, as would be the nature of losing all that heavy armor. But even if she shares that kind of flowing, smooth, A attack set that Sheik had, I don't see her having many, if any, of the same B moves. I think the reason most people (not you, it seems) think of her as the new Sheik is because she's the new "transform into her in some way" character. And that doesn't make much sense.
"I was a little pissed off but all these character, again, could go to someone so much better. I just don't see some of them as fighting characters."
In general, I see where you're coming from. I don't particularly like most of those characters myself, but I see no point in getting rid of them. If there are characters that are more suited for Brawl, my hope is that they'd just be added to the mix, rather than taking someone's spot. I see little being accomplished by exterminating movesets from Melee. Plus, part of the charm is that not all the characters are really "meant" to fight. They just have to.
metallic shadow
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lucario was released alerady when PMD was out.
so id say he chanches are high.
as for these that says mewtwo should go out*points at avatar*
better shut their crapped mouth up.
mewtwo is awesome,cool and tough.
he was the best charater in melee.
1.mewtwo is NOT a clone
2.deoxys is pokeball-ificationed
ps. i love pokemon.
i just cant live without it.
so id say he chanches are high.
as for these that says mewtwo should go out*points at avatar*
better shut their crapped mouth up.
mewtwo is awesome,cool and tough.
he was the best charater in melee.
1.mewtwo is NOT a clone
2.deoxys is pokeball-ificationed
ps. i love pokemon.
i just cant live without it.
PitIcarus
Smash Ace
Technically...mewtwo IS a clone.
metallic shadow
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no hes not.
even tough shadow ball and charge ball is similar
the rest of mewtwos moves isnt like samus's moves.
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I believe he's saying he's literally a clone in the Pokemon universe. He was cloned from Mew.
By the way, I'm so confused. PitIcarus, are you VagrantWade? Has that always been your screen name and I'm just losing my mind, or did you somehow change it?
PitIcarus
Smash Ace
Oh wow. How did you not get that?
Tell me, how was Mewtwo created?
And yes I had my name changed.
metallic shadow
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i thought you did mean in smash..
yes mewtwo was cloned from mew.
when he did find out that he was(in has opnion) a "simple" clone.
he got mad and destroyed the lab he was created in.
giovanni tried to capture him and train him.
however mewtwo did find out that giovanni wanted him as a slave.
mewtwo made a plan to have alot of trainers come to an island so he could steal and clone their pokemon.mew appeared and they started to fight(well mewtwo attacked when mew just avoided the shadow balls) now my fingers hurt so i aint writing anymore.
PitIcarus
Smash Ace
Thank you for summing up Pokemon: The Movie, and Mewtwo Strikes BAck for us.
inside
Smash Journeyman
I don't think anyone should be kicked out, maybe supposed to Pichu, because that little thing is too fragile, hurts itself and Pikachu can do a better job.
metallic shadow
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that didnt have anything to do with mewtwo returns.
in mewtwo returns ash and friends will find mewtwo at another island.
giovanni will come at torture the poor mewtwo.
i dont remember so much of it..its a long time since i saw it.
Wreked
Smash Lord
Wreked
Smash Lord
And you think all of the past smash characters will return? And I wouldn't have a problem with all the characters I listed if Sakurai kept them in and added around another 20-25 good characters. The more the better. It keeps more people happy.
Wreked
Smash Lord
Wow Puff, cause I don't like your favorite character means you can hate me. I never said that "Ok sakurai, I don't like him, him, her, and him. Take them out". I'm just voicing my opinion on Jigglypuff. And i'll admit, with all the people flaming be about her i'm starting to accept that she will most likely be in brawl.
Agreed on Pichu.
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I keep hearing things about some characters not returning for Brawl, so I guess some of them will inevitably be removed. But the only character I truly think deserves getting cut, without a doubt, is Dr. Mario. And that's mostly just because he screams "alternate costume". And if that's the case, he'd still kind of be in.
There are characters that I wouldn't miss, but I don't think most of them need to be gone.
Wreked
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Okay, fair enough.
the grim lizard
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Did I say that? I said take out the worthless ones...aka the ones added to beef the roster. That means...those people.
ORLY?
4/10 is not "most."
Give me a quote.
Why does M2 need a new moveset? He already has one of the most original ones in the game.