If you could edit anything about Jiggz, what'd it be?

[JIGGALOO!!]

it can be alt costumes, gameplay, moveset or anything else. i'd change Jiggz' floatyness, i feel that Jiggz is too floaty, but then again, Jiggz is pure balloon after all.

 

[The_Jiggernaut]

I would change one of her specials to be a command grab she can use while airborne. Then she wouldn't be completely predictable when approaching while approaching in the air. As she's designed to approach in the air, she needs to have more than one option in order to be viable.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Melee F Air and B Air hitboxes.

 

[ZeroJanitor]

Give her the ability to hog the ledge. Just her.

 

[r_greening1]

If she had some of her old Melee Jab reset set ups, that would be pretty neat.

 

[SafCar]

Give her the ability to hog the ledge. Just her.

This or fix her shield so it doesn't cause her to KO upon breaking. It was funny the first few games but in a roster of 50 characters, 2-3 of which are lightweight and deserve the Shield Break KO as much as Jiggs, it needs to be removed.

 

[c4ll me co4ch]

I'd just like a throw to combo into rest, even if it means the puff player has to follow the opponent's DI. It solves one of her biggest weaknesses (not having an easy kill option beyond bair) and could probably move her multiple tiers up IMO

 

[pikazz]

I would fix that so her jab do still same damage, but its Jab-lockable at any given %
or that one of her throws have either a proper follow up/kill move like DThrow -> Rest or BThrow Kills
or her UAir can chain into itself or into rest and that the UAir makes the opponent go into hurt falling animation instead for it just got a hit

This or fix her shield so it doesn't cause her to KO upon breaking. It was funny the first few games but in a roster of 50 characters, 2-3 of which are lightweight and deserve the Shield Break KO as much as Jiggs, it needs to be removed.

its sadly intended (cause you know, you are popping a ballon)

 

[SafCar]

Well in that case, what about kirby? the puffball deserves it just as much as jiggs.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Make up throw a KO option, drastically reduce or increase forward throw's knockback, either make down air like Kirby's or give it less ending lag, give up air, jab, and all tilts more range, make her smash attacks good, make Sing's animation faster, replace Rollout with Moon Blast, and give her her crown and headband back. Boom, instant S-tier Jigglypuff.

Well in that case, what about kirby? the puffball deserves it just as much as jiggs.

Kirby is a puffball, Jigglypuff is a balloon, balloons pop.

 

[pikazz]

@ MarioMeteor I agree everything you said expect for

replace Rollout with Moon Blast

she cant learn moon blast. Wigglytuff can learn Play Rough and she can learn dazzling gleam but those are the only stronk fairy type moves.

however, I would love to see "disarming voice" as a attack for her. with a "projectile type move" shape as either a Heart or a music note thats semi homing, fast and has small knockback (like falcos laser/ marios fireball)

 

[MarioMeteor]

@ MarioMeteor I agree everything you said expect for

she cant learn moon blast. Wigglytuff can learn Play Rough and she can learn dazzling gleam but those are the only stronk fairy type moves.

however, I would love to see "disarming voice" as a attack for her. with a "projectile type move" shape as either a Heart or a music note thats semi homing, fast and has small knockback (like falcos laser/ marios fireball)

Pikachu can't learn Skull Bash. Consistency doesn't exist in the Smash universe. If you're really a stickler for the kinda stuff, then give her Fire Blast instead. Which, by the way, I still have how no idea on how that works. Fairy Balloon = Fire? What?

 

[Zerp]

If I could change one thing, I'd make Sing useful for once by allowing one to "Charge" it to increase it's range and/or lob it as a projectile. Tis sad such a iconic part of her character is currently useless.

 

[Mizzy Moe]

i would replace rollout with literally anything i hate that move so much

as for the shield popping balloon i dont find that too much of a problem as long as you pay attention to habits in the opponent (if its a marth lucina aka shield breaker)

 

[MarioMeteor]

Why did they feel the need to nerf Rollout? Did they think it was a good move before?

 

[Ponytail]

Increase her rest hitbox size to fill the screen, Kappa.

 

[pikazz]

Pikachu can't learn Skull Bash. Consistency doesn't exist in the Smash universe. If you're really a stickler for the kinda stuff, then give her Fire Blast instead. Which, by the way, I still have how no idea on how that works. Fairy Balloon = Fire? What?

actually, Skull Bash is a TM move from Gen1 which pikachu could learn. the TM was TM40.
same with Mewtwos Teleport which is also a TM move from Gen1. that TM is TM30
dont forget that Melee was created when Both Gen1 and Gen2 was active

 

[Burruni]

1) Roll-out can be jump canceled. It's only fair.
2) Up-Throw's knockback is reduced so you could actually get rests of it.
3) Make Jab be able to jab-lock (Double-Slap hit 5 time(s)!!)

Edit: ...And the Crown & Bandana to return from Melee. Best costumes.

 

[MarioMeteor]

And make her sparkle. She's a fairy, for ****'s sakes! She needs to sparkle. It's not enough that she's mindmeltingly cute, she needs to look fabulous while being cute.

 

[420quickscoper]

1. Remove Rollout and replace it with another Fairy move.
2. Make sing have more use. Maybe reduce the giant lag on it, or make your opponents count sheep longer.

1) Roll-out can be jump canceled. It's only fair.
2) Up-Throw's knockback is reduced so you could actually get rests of it.
3) Make Jab be able to jab-lock (Double-Slap hit 5 time(s)!!)

Edit: ...And the Crown & Bandana to return from Melee. Best costumes.

Eh. I don't know about #2. Getting rests, even with followed DI, might be a bit too much. That's why we have Leaping Rest.
But I can understand your point.

 

[Burruni]

1. Remove Rollout and replace it with another Fairy move.
2. Make sing have more use. Maybe reduce the giant lag on it, or make your opponents count sheep longer.

Eh. I don't know about #2. Getting rests, even with followed DI, might be a bit too much. That's why we have Leaping Rest.
But I can understand your point.

Melee Up-Throw. That's my counter-argument.
It isn't something new. Just having enough height off it that it's still a okay throw to combo off of, but one that you CAN but are not GUARANTEED to get rests off of.
That's what I'm trying to restore.

 

[420quickscoper]

Melee Up-Throw. That's my counter-argument.
It isn't something new. Just having enough height off it that it's still a okay throw to combo off of, but one that you CAN but are not GUARANTEED to get rests off of.
That's what I'm trying to restore.

I see!

 

[MarioMeteor]

Melee Up-Throw. That's my counter-argument.
It isn't something new. Just having enough height off it that it's still a okay throw to combo off of, but one that you CAN but are not GUARANTEED to get rests off of.
That's what I'm trying to restore.

I would say a better idea would be to increase the knockback on up throw so that it's like, slightly stronger than Marth's, then decrease the knockback on down throw so it can combo. That way she has a reliable and safe KO option and a combo set-up, two things she lacks and needs. FYI, the up throw to Rest set-up only worked on Team Star Fox.
Really, all I'm asking is that they make Jiggly's ground game less horrid. I get that they were trying to have it contrast her spectacular air game, but when you're the lightest character in the game with the shortest range, it doesn't work. For once in my life, I think Melee did it perfect. Her smash attacks weren't bad, she had combos into Rest, and she had a throw that could KO. Although her tilts were horrible. I feel like Jigglypuff isn't extreme enough in this game. She's supposed to be a character of extremes, with the ground and air balance, but it's askew. It doesn't balance. That's why Mac's as bad as he is. Her ground game is too abysmal to excuse her air game, which really isn't as good as it should be. Why is Yoshi faster than her in the air? I mean, she's a balloon, for ****'s sakes! The air is her natural territory. I guess you could say, she prefers the air.

 

[The Eggplantwizard]

Give Jigg's more options in the air if it's going to be an air based fighter, faster auto canceling and more combo potential.
or
Give Jigg's a better ground game and specials, rollout and sing are down right useless in most situations. Jigg's also has very little range and pretty situational up tilt that doesn't combo into it self like many other character's up tilts.

 

[Kalierdarke]

replace rollout with a fairy move, as has been said

Make shield break not auto-KO. it should be like missing a rest- you're probably dead, but not guaranteed to be.

 

[Jiggly]

I wish her neutral b was moonblast, a big slow weak projectile.

 

[Burruni]

I wish her neutral b was moonblast, a big slow weak projectile.

As much as I enjoy roll-out.
I'll allow this on one condition.
Jigglypuff has to barf it out.
Like using 's cannon.

 

[Jiggly]

As much as I enjoy roll-out.
I'll allow this on one condition.
Jigglypuff has to barf it out.
Like using 's cannon.

so like it grows right in front of her while her mouth is open? Or does it just fly out of her mouth like a portal? xD

 

[MarioMeteor]

I wish her neutral b was moonblast, a big slow weak projectile.

Why weak? You'd think it would be pretty strong. Like Robin's Arcfire+. Also, wouldn't it be hilarious if she fired it from her hair curl? That's another thing: that hair curl. Why doesn't she slap people with it? As much as Jigglypuff ***** smacks people, you'd think she would do it a lot.

 

[Jiggly]

I would make it so rest hits through shields, that would be a great mixup after jab 1-2.

 

[Jiggly]

Why weak? You'd think it would be pretty strong. Like Robin's Arcfire+. Also, wouldn't it be hilarious if she fired it from her hair curl? That's another thing: that hair curl. Why doesn't she slap people with it? As much as Jigglypuff ***** smacks people, you'd think she would do it a lot.

If it is big and slow, I want it to be weak. It's better for combos and such, I think it would be better in general


edit: oops double post :/

sorry mods dont ban me plz

 

[MarioMeteor]

If it is big and slow, I want it to be weak. It's better for combos and such, I think it would be better in general


edit: oops double post :/

sorry mods dont ban me plz

The Mod Squad will hunt you down...
Anyway, a projectile that can combo? That'd be unorthodox. I think it would help more if Jigglypuff had a solid KO option that was simultaneously a projectile, two things she badly needs.

 

[Jiggly]

The Mod Squad will hunt you down...
Anyway, a projectile that can combo? That'd be unorthodox.

srsly? You main mario and luigi -_-

 

[Burruni]

so like it grows right in front of her while her mouth is open? Or does it just fly out of her mouth like a portal? xD

FLIES RIGHT OUT OF HER MOUTH.
ONLY ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.

 

[MarioMeteor]

srsly? You main mario and luigi -_-

And Doc. Why does no one include Doc?
You have a point, but Fireballs are small and fast, what you're describing is slow and big. Unless you want something like Rosalina's Floaty Star Bit?

 

[Jiggly]

And Doc. Why does no one include Doc?
You have a point, but Fireballs are small and fast, what you're describing is slow and big. Unless you want something like Rosalina's Floaty Star Bit?

best example I can give of this is the bullet sun salutation.

 

[MarioMeteor]

best example I can give of this is the bullet sun salutation.

Which is pretty much Floaty Star Bit, but blue. But yeah, I see what you mean. It could be interesting, things like Moon Blast to Rest or some crazy **** like that. Although, I still like the idea of something like Arcfire+ better.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Make it so Sing hits through shields and/or has a lingering hitbox.

 

[MarioMeteor]

And I forgot, change Pound back to how it was in Brawl, so you can actually do Rising Pound again.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

And I forgot, change Pound back to how it was in Brawl, so you can actually do Rising Pound again.

You can Rising Pound the same way in Smash 4.