If the money used to enter Tournaments were distributed 100% to Charitable Foundations

[κomıc]

I've always been meaning to ask this question for awhile. I personally don't play or attend Smash Bros. for money. People can say "Well, if you were good, you'd have a different tune." but I know myself and even if I turn out to be a great player, I wouldn't care. I have a job to make money and it is replenish able. That's just how I am. So, to me it makes no difference.

Throughout Smash Boards I have seen some fugazy posts inviting new comers to the scene with promise of "making new friends; we're like a family" and all sorts of mess. Yeah, I have made some great friends in the year I first started going to these tournaments and good connections but some people don't really follow through on the facade they put in place to encourage people to participate. I stand by my opinion and belief that some just want more people to partake in tournaments- not to make new friends or acquaintances, but to grow the pot money for a better pay out because they're confident in winning. It's fine if you think that way, but don't put up a front and portray yourself to be this friendly welcoming individual when you have you only have your eyes on the cash in that person's pocket. It really makes the community look shady.

And this is why I'm asking this: Would you still attend tournaments if 100% of the money went towards a charitable foundation? Of course, the TO would have some reward for 1st and 2nd place winners. Entry fees and door fees may even be cheap in the long run. All situational, of course. I'd love to hear thoughts on this.

 

[popsofctown]

That's not what "pot" means.

I would attend an empty pot tournament, and I would also attend an empty pot tournament with a mandatory charitable donation. I wouldn't call the money raised for charity a pot though, because that's just not what the word pot means.

 

[κomıc]

That's not what "pot" means.

I would attend an empty pot tournament, and I would also attend an empty pot tournament with a mandatory charitable donation. I wouldn't call the money raised for charity a pot though, because that's just not what the word pot means.

Okay. Edited to the thread title to better suit what I was asking. Thanks for the information.

 

[popsofctown]

Cool. I'm not against this thread or anything.

Some consistent winners rely on their winnings to offset the gas cost it takes for them to attend the tournament. I think reducing the amount of money in smash (and doing that with charitable giving mixed in is cool too, charity good, cancer bad, all that) might be a good thing.

Sorry the thread is a bit sleepy, it's probably the smash 4 focus.

 

[κomıc]

No problem I'm interested in seeing what people have to say.

 

[TheKmanOfSmash]

So let me ask a question:

Is it impossible for a top player to want to make friends with more people and to want to have the pot grow for themselves at the same time?

And I don't see why I wouldn't attend the tourney, unless there are other tourneys nearby on the same day that either have better competition, friends I'd like to see/make, or a better prize pot that I could have a shot at winning.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I always thought of having the prize money payouts as incentive for people to want to do well and to try to bring good competition together since money tends to do that lol But otherwise, I am not in a position to win anyway. It is pretty much I go to a tournament give my money away and just put it on having a good time. In that regard, where the money goes is pretty much all the same to me. I do know of a few people who refuse to go to tournaments because they know they will lose and do not want to be "wasting" by it going to other people. In this regard, I could see charity being an incentive for some, but at the same time I doubt someone like Armada will travel from Europe to the US just to make a donation.

100% though is bit steep. I think some amount should go towards the TOs for any money they sink into making the event happen. If I have to make a 200 deposit to get a room, then part of that fee I would prefer to go back into my account. Otherwise, dropping 200/month is going to stop me from doing monthly tournaments. Hell, even once I wouldn't want to do that as a TO.

 

[κomıc]

So let me ask a question:

Is it impossible for a top player to want to make friends with more people and to want to have the pot grow for themselves at the same time?

It isn't. There are variables and it is all situational. I'm referring to some people I've met here on Smashboards that encouraged me to go only to ignore and disregard me when I even say "Hello." or introduce myself.

I have an issue with people putting up a mask and making it seem like they're something they're not. Genuine. They were better off not talking to me in the first place if the end they intended to ignore me because I'm not Elite at some video game. That's insulting. And the friend's I have made I met at the tournament for the most part, not first here on Smashboards. I'm not asking or looking for best friends and I don't expect but don't take me for fool.

@ E Elyssa Xey Hexen Maybe my "100%" is extreme which shows how ignorant I am in how things are handled in tournaments. Aren't door fees for renting out the space? I hear it is. Other times it isn't.

What I'd like is to have that option to have my money go to charity. I think it'd be nice if people participating were given that especially if they're new.

I've gotten 2nd place at a tournament in doubles and I got made money back on what I spent to participate but decided to give my share to my partner because I really didn't care for winning it back... And I think he didn't have the job and thought he would need it more than me, so that's my reasoning. Same thing for another tournament where I got 2nd again. I gave it to my partner.

 

[TheKmanOfSmash]

It isn't. There are variables and it is all situational. I'm referring to some people I've met here on Smashboards that encouraged me to go only to ignore and disregard me when I even say "Hello." or introduce myself.

I have an issue with people putting up a mask and making it seem like they're something they're not. Genuine. They were better off not talking to me in the first place if the end they intended to ignore me because I'm not Elite at some video game. That's insulting. And the friend's I have made I met at the tournament for the most part, not first here on Smashboards. I'm not asking or looking for best friends and I don't expect but don't take me for fool.

People are douchebags. But that doesn't necessarily have to do with Smash or the community. Maybe the people you happened to interact with were selfish and only looking out for themselves. That's a human characteristic that some people may have, not necessarily a Smasher characteristic. And though some people in the community may do what you're saying, don't assume that all players/TOs on Smashboards are trying to milk you dry when they suggest that you come to an event.

 

[κomıc]

People are douchebags. But that doesn't necessarily have to do with Smash or the community. Maybe the people you happened to interact with were selfish and only looking out for themselves. That's a human characteristic that some people may have, not necessarily a Smasher characteristic. And though some people in the community may do what you're saying, don't assume that all players/TOs on Smashboards are trying to milk you dry when they suggest that you come to an event.

I wasn't implying it applied to everyone as I've repeatedly said "some" and made disclaimers. I totally agree with your assertion of human behavior. Hence why I don't bother with these people even if they're known all around the Smash community. Don't care for them.

Regardless, I still stand by my opinion of at least giving participants the option to have the money go to charity + TO and not winnings.

 

[TheKmanOfSmash]

I wasn't implying it applied to everyone as I've repeatedly said "some" and made disclaimers. I totally agree with your assertion of human behavior. Hence why I don't bother with these people even if they're known all around the Smash community. Don't care for them.

Regardless, I still stand by my opinion of at least giving participants the option to have the money go to charity + TO and not winnings.

I see. That's understandable. I wouldn't care for them either.

However, a tournament is an event just like any other professional-like event in the world that offers a pot. By putting that standard on the Smash community, you should be consistent in your position and pose the charity option for all events on Earth that have pots dedicated to the players. If you object against that, I don't see why Smash is being singled out here.

People run their events the way they want to and if a TO wants to have a charity option for their players, they may enact it if there's support for it. But I don't see why a Smash TO should be forced to give this option to the entrants unless the charity is being used to attract players. If someone wants to donate to a charity, it's very easy to do so with Paypal on their respective websites. Smash tournaments are for the Smash Bros. games and competing in a high-stakes environment where money is on the line and that fuels and motivates players to come out to events and compete. As much as I love charities, there's a certain time and place for them when it comes to privately-run events trying to make a profit. That decision is up to the discretion of the TO.

 

[trilok]

We have hosted a charity smash tournament when the tsunami hit japan, and there was still a good amount of entrants. we had cheap prizes for winning tho (chocolate bunnies)

 

[Astraea31]

I found this to be a problem in my scene as well. There were a lot of newer players in the last tournament I went to and VERY few of the veteran players made an effort to talk/have friendlies with them. That's not a very effective way to bring people into the scene.

 

[κomıc]

@ TheKmanOfSmash I understand where you're coming from.

I found this to be a problem in my scene as well. There were a lot of newer players in the last tournament I went to and VERY few of the veteran players made an effort to talk/have friendlies with them. That's not a very effective way to bring people into the scene.

Pretty much this. Of course, like Kman said, it isn't just in the Smash scene but I'm not into the other fighting game scenes nor do I follow them. I'm talking about this scene from my experience. It's a shame that some veterans aren't willing to friendlies with newcomers or look over them. You shouldn't respect someone because they're good at Smash or any game.

For me, that bridge has been burned. And like I said above, I ignore these "veterans". And maybe one reason could be that I don't really watch streams or follow the best players of Smash that I bluntly ask "Who's that?"- not in a demeaning way of course. I just don't follow them. I'd like to think no one is offended by that.

Hopefully something changes when Smash 4 comes out. But I'm doubting that will ever be the case.

 

[orllyfools]

@ TheKmanOfSmash I understand where you're coming from.



Pretty much this. Of course, like Kman said, it isn't just in the Smash scene but I'm not into the other fighting game scenes nor do I follow them. I'm talking about this scene from my experience. It's a shame that some veterans aren't willing to friendlies with newcomers or look over them. You shouldn't respect someone because they're good at Smash or any game.

For me, that bridge has been burned. And like I said above, I ignore these "veterans". And maybe one reason could be that I don't really watch streams or follow the best players of Smash that I bluntly ask "Who's that?"- not in a demeaning way of course. I just don't follow them. I'd like to think no one is offended by that.

Hopefully something changes when Smash 4 comes out. But I'm doubting that will ever be the case.

Don't be so offended, but you sound really butt hurt about other peoples social skills. I wouldn't be your friend after reading everything you wrote. A few people who didn't talk to you (a no one in the community) but that doesn't mean every veteran is an asshole. Maybe you have no social skills. Maybe there's something about you that people just don't want to associate with you. You probably said the same thing about the kids in your high school. If you want people to be your friend, you have to be open minded and tolerant of the way people live their own lives. No one has to like you. Who knows the reasons no one talked to you. But don't let that discourage you and don't go ****ting on the community as a whole. Be a decent human being.

 

[orllyfools]

I will thank you for bringing up this topic though because I came up with an idea right now about how to bridge that gap between veterans and the noobs. Have a TO set up a "Survival" contest. One top Smasher fighting 100 newbies in a row (or whatever number you actually have at the event). Have a casting couch providing commentaries on what the new Smasher can improve on.

 

[κomıc]

Don't be so offended, but you sound really butt hurt about other peoples social skills. I wouldn't be your friend after reading everything you wrote. A few people who didn't talk to you (a no one in the community) but that doesn't mean every veteran is an *******. Maybe you have no social skills. Maybe there's something about you that people just don't want to associate with you. You probably said the same thing about the kids in your high school. If you want people to be your friend, you have to be open minded and tolerant of the way people live their own lives. No one has to like you. Who knows the reasons no one talked to you. But don't let that discourage you and don't go ****ting on the community as a whole. Be a decent human being.

Ah, no.

You're so wrong on SO many levels.

I'm not asking everyone to be my friend. That wasn't my point. Clearly it went over your head, so please put your pride aside because I'm not impressed by your lackluster theory. How in the world are people going to give others a "stank look" or attitude, when that person compliments them or even goes out of their way to talk to them? To me, that doesn't make any sense. And you're here trying to make it sound like I'm generalizing the whole Smash community when I've made disclaimers that I'm not. But clearly you're not paying attention.

Please extrapolate what it means to have "social skills". I'd love to hear your take on it. Because from what I've learned, eye contact, friendliness and being genuine are some of the key factors in socializing with (new) people. I've done nothing wrong to anyone to receive the disrespect I've gotten from some people, because I'm fairly new to the scene. Hell, it is out of my character and element to even go out of my way to speak to anyone. I'm a hardcore introvert. But not once did I ever disrespect people, call them names or made them feel like ****.

Maybe there's something about me that people just don't want to associate with me? Like what? I'm too nice? Too genuine? Not fugazy? I don't get it. I don't consider myself intimidating or threatening. Maybe some just don't like the fact that I stand up for myself and choose not to take **** from anyone the moment they want to instigate a problem with me. Well, that's not my fault.

In High School, I had a handful of friends and acquaintances. And there was this one guy who didn't like me for no reason. The first day of 8th Grade after moving from Florida to New Hampshire, this individual right off the bat would look at me, snicker and really made me feel uncomfortable. And this went on into High School but I just ignored him. Sure, his friends also tried to harass me, one time someone swung their poster to my face (and thankfully missed for their sake, else I would have torn it to bits). But I did not give these people the reaction they wanted. It wasn't until Junior Year is when they stopped acknowledging me. I always kept to myself. My main goal was to finish my work and go home. That's all I did and all I really cared about. The friends I made I valued. The people who just didn't like me, like for seriously NO REASON, well, I ignored them. There wasn't even one time where I spoke to them. So, your joke of a theory is null and void. I got along with everyone in my classes except for this one guy and his small group of friends. And there were moments where I'd have to stand up for myself and people were extremely surprised (and proud) because they did not expect me do such a thing. I was the quiet type. And I was the one people came to for advice or to partner up for projects. To them, I was a genius (even though in retrospect, they just knew I'd get things done on time and I don't think I'm as smart as they thought I was).

I really had no opinion on people who weren't in my circle of friends. I had no reason to catch an attitude towards people I didn't know (like some in the Smash scene that I've observed or felt).

You want to say that I need to be tolerant- hun, I'm probably more tolerant than a lot of people put together these days. What I won't tolerate is disrespect. And you're trying to justify people's actions which to me doesn't make sense. If someone makes you feel like ****, are you just going to smile and thank them?

If people want to live their lives being miserable sacks of potatoes, then that's fine. But when I'm being nice to someone especially when I don't really know them, I don't expect them to snap back and shoot me dirty looks. Because again, no one knows me enough or at all to feel hostile towards myself. If someone compliments you, don't let your head get big.

Take your own advice about being a decent human being.

 

[Chukkaque]

I would attend this and my team has even been considering holding one of these. It would be good PR for your local sceen and group.