Ice Climbers removed for lack of processing power; 3DS maintains "bloom" PP effect.

[Frostwraith]

Yes speak for yourself as well, Starfox, DK, and Metroid fans feel alienated. Ice Climber and Earthbound fans as well.

Mewtwo was my main in Melee. He got cut in Brawl. I didn't feel alienated back then.

Lucas and Wolf were among my favorite characters to play as in Brawl, they got cut in this game. I don't feel alienated now either.

 

[MagnesD3]

Mewtwo was my main in Melee. He got cut in Brawl. I didn't feel alienated back then.

Lucas and Wolf were among my favorite characters to play as in Brawl, they got cut in this game. I don't feel alienated now either.

Well good for you. MANY dont feel that way.

 

[Code Bread]

Well good for you. MANY dont feel that way.

Only people like you.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of you.

 

[Reptile (Kira)]

1. The Ice Climbers were first added to Melee to account for Nintendo's arcade saga. Now they have DHD, a much more recognizable figure in that era. Plus, his attacks nod to others of Nintendo's arcade games, so that makes him much more viable for this purpose.

2. The hardware issue, which has been tackled significantly already.

3. Ice Climber has had one game, ever, and that game was TERRIBLE. No one really liked it (that I've talked to), and Nintendo has no interest in making another one. The franchise is virtually unknown.

I am kinda bugged with Wolf's removal. He was different enough from Fox and Falco that he played very differently. I guess the StarFox franchise has been struggling as of late (I really want a good new StarFox game by the way Nintendo thanks), and Wolf isn't a severely recognizable face in the franchise, but it still bugs me.

As for Lucas, I can see why he was cut, kinda. Not only was Mother 3 never released in the US, but it was also the last game in the franchise

 

[iam8bit]

I personally think the second thing he said is the more likely reason. He said they weren't a high enough priority to bother figuring out how to get them to work.

This.

They probably would've made them work on the 3DS with a bit of work, they just weren't a high priority to actually get it done.

So in the end, it probably was Sakurai's choice to leave them out in favor of the new characters.

 

[MagnesD3]

Only people like you.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of you.

Its not like I wanna be unhappy :S Smash WAS one of my favorite game series, now its just a fighting game with some nintendo characters.

1. The Ice Climbers were first added to Melee to account for Nintendo's arcade saga. Now they have DHD, a much more recognizable figure in that era. Plus, his attacks nod to others of Nintendo's arcade games, so that makes him much more viable for this purpose.

2. The hardware issue, which has been tackled significantly already.

3. Ice Climber has had one game, ever, and that game was TERRIBLE. No one really liked it (that I've talked to), and Nintendo has no interest in making another one. The franchise is virtually unknown.

I am kinda bugged with Wolf's removal. He was different enough from Fox and Falco that he played very differently. I guess the StarFox franchise has been struggling as of late (I really want a good new StarFox game by the way Nintendo thanks), and Wolf isn't a severely recognizable face in the franchise, but it still bugs me.

As for Lucas, I can see why he was cut, kinda. Not only was Mother 3 never released in the US, but it was also the last game in the franchise

If you recognize fox you will most likely recognize wolf, they go hand and hand.

 

[Code Bread]

Its not like I wanna be unhappy :S Smash WAS one of my favorite game series, now its just a fighting game with some nintendo characters.


If you recognize fox you will most likely recognize wolf, they go hand and hand.

I actually don't know how to respond to this.
To each their own. Sorry for your loss.

 

[Sun & Moon]

Yes speak for yourself as well, Starfox, DK, and Metroid fans feel alienated. Ice Climber and Earthbound fans as well.

Why would a earthbound fan feel alienated? The series is very well represented in this game.

 

[SS-bros14]

Well, which did you guys want? A portable Smash Bros game, or Ice Climbers?

Porabtle smash, who cares about Ice Climbers getting cut, coming from a guy who liked them. They were insignificant retro characters and Duck Hunt Dog and G&W are FAR more iconic characters.

 

[Frostwraith]

Its not like I wanna be unhappy :S Smash WAS one of my favorite game series, now its just a fighting game with some nintendo characters.

Uh... Hasn't Smash always been a fighting game with Nintendo characters? (Or mostly Nintendo characters since Brawl.)

 

[SS-bros14]

Also, what exactly IS Smash 3DS limitating besides some rarely known retro character and transforming characters?

 

[Code Bread]

Uh... Hasn't Smash always been a fighting game with Nintendo characters? (Or mostly Nintendo characters since Brawl.)

Party game
/troll

 

[MagnesD3]

Uh... Hasn't Smash always been a fighting game with Nintendo characters? (Or mostly Nintendo characters since Brawl.)

I used to consider it a Nintendo all star game but now it's just a marketing tool fighter and nothing else. I'm surprised a koopa troopa isn't a character at this point.

 

[Frostwraith]

I used to consider it a Nintendo all star game but now it's just a marketing tool fighter and nothing else. I'm surprised a koopa troopa isn't a character at this point.

Implying it has never been a marketing tool before?

Case in point: Roy in Melee, who was included to advertise a then upcoming Fire Emblem game.

I get that you're disappointed with Wolf being cut. I remember I didn't like Mewtwo being cut in Brawl, but I quickly moved on back then and enjoyed what I had instead of wasting my time lamenting about what I didn't have.

If you really think cut characters are really the bane of this game, I'm afraid I absolutely cannot agree with that.

Glass half empty or half full and all that.

I also believe it's utter nonsense that Sakurai cut characters on purpose, when he's aware every character to be featured in a Smash game has its fans. Some more than others, sure, but all have their fans. However, everyone needs to understand that developing a game is no easy task. If they had time, I'm sure everyone would return and that would be the ideal outcome. And this goes for characters like Mewtwo and Wolf as much as it goes for characters like Pichu and Dr. Mario.

A lot of things people say here are easier said than done. Bringing back all characters would require more time than the amount the development team had. It sucks, but life and reality aren't just pleasantries. Sometimes something must be taken away to make room for something new.

And I'm done arguing about this. This accomplishes nothing. You don't like the game, fine, don't buy it, don't play it. That is none of my business and your own personal choice. I have no choice but to respect that.

 

[MagnesD3]

Implying it has never been a marketing tool before?

Case in point: Roy in Melee, who was included to advertise a then upcoming Fire Emblem game.

I get that you're disappointed with Wolf being cut. I remember I didn't like Mewtwo being cut in Brawl, but I quickly moved on back then and enjoyed what I had instead of wasting my time lamenting about what I didn't have.

If you really think cut characters are really the bane of this game, I'm afraid I absolutely cannot agree with that.

Glass half empty or half full and all that.

I also believe it's utter nonsense that Sakurai cut characters on purpose, when he's aware every character to be featured in a Smash game has its fans. Some more than others, sure, but all have their fans. However, everyone needs to understand that developing a game is no easy task. If they had time, I'm sure everyone would return and that would be the ideal outcome. And this goes for characters like Mewtwo and Wolf as much as it goes for characters like Pichu and Dr. Mario.

A lot of things people say here are easier said than done. Bringing back all characters would require more time than the amount the development team had. It sucks, but life and reality aren't just pleasantries. Sometimes something must be taken away to make room for something new.

And I'm done arguing about this. This accomplishes nothing. You don't like the game, fine, don't buy it, don't play it. That is none of my business and your own personal choice. I have no choice but to respect that.

Roy was just one character and brawl had like 3 but in this game like 80% of the newcomer cast is super marketing crap. I was ok with a little but when it's the majority it just grimy and business like. Also note the engine is fun and I will get it for that but it doesn't hold a special place to me anymore thanks to what it has become. It's more than just wolf, it's dk, it's Metroid and the ic fans and snake fans who paved the way for retros and 3rd parties. For some series it's all they have now and was stripped away by marketable newcomers.

 

[Hydde]

Because they committed to have the same roster across both platforms.

Considering that there was a serious chance that there was never going to be Wii U version, we should be grateful that there even is one, not angry that we're missing a fringe character that's not had a game since before the majority of the demographic were born.

Exactly..

Lets enjoy this smash because we dont know...maybe nintendo in the future decides to scrap consoles altogether

 

[Code Bread]

Roy was just one character and brawl had like 3 but in this game like 80% of the newcomer cast is super marketing crap. I was ok with a little but when it's the majority it just grimy and business like. Also note the engine is fun and I will get it for that but it doesn't hold a special place to me anymore thanks to what it has become. It's more than just wolf, it's dk, it's Metroid and the ic fans and snake fans who paved the way for retros and 3rd parties. For some series it's all they have now and was stripped away by marketable newcomers.

Wait, who in Smash 4 is marketing crap?
^legit question

 

[Johnny Heart Gold]

If you aren't willing to pay, then you don't get the Ice Climbers. 3DS owners should be grateful that they get Smash to play everywhere, not locked down to the TV, and that they get Smash Bros. at $40. That's a steal for a Smash Bros. game. 3DS owners shouldn't complain if Wii U owners get one extra character. They pay $20 more. If you don't want Wii U owners to get more for the game that they payed even more to play than you did, that's pretty selfish.

3DS has more games than the WiiU Why would I buy a WiiU only for one game? When I can buy my 3ds for smash and more games of all companies, and then give IC just to the console a lot people don't want or cares? They decided to do Smash for both consoles, so we need the same characters, having different stages is a big plus because usually a company only do a port and this isn't the case.

 

[Code Bread]

3DS has more games than the WiiU Why would I buy a WiiU only for one game? When I can buy my 3ds for smash and more games of all companies, and then give IC just to the console a lot people don't want or cares? They decided to do Smash for both consoles, so we need the same characters, having different stages is a big plus because usually a company only do a port and this isn't the case.

If I were to buy a WiiU, which I plan to, I would only be buying it for Smash. But in reality, I would start to buy other games too, like Hyrule Warriors, Pikmin 3, etc. Just because I'm buying the console for one game doesn't mean I'll only ever have that game. If I have it, If may as well expand it, because there are a lot of great games for WiiU, imo.

 

[Johnny Heart Gold]

If I were to buy a WiiU, which I plan to, I would only be buying it for Smash. But in reality, I would start to buy other games too, like Hyrule Warriors, Pikmin 3, etc. Just because I'm buying the console for one game doesn't mean I'll only ever have that game. If I have it, If may as well expand it, because there are a lot of great games for WiiU, imo.

It's Ok if you want a WiiU the problem is that right now the 3DS version will be selling more at the end of the year heck even by 2015 it will be selling more, there's good wiiu games? Yeah, but when you compare to the other games of the 3ds and not only there's more on 3ds they are cheaper so nintendo needs to sell smash 3ds to the people if they give a exclusive character fans will be mad.

 

[Walfan]

Wait, who in Smash 4 is marketing crap?
^legit question

It's kinda obvious most newcomers are here to advertise their game, but I think the only blatant marketing decision is Shulk.
I don't have anything against the character but I really doubt it'd be in if it wasn't for X and the 3DS remake.
They'll probably do the same for Wolf/Krystal DLC with the year of StarFox and the new game coming up.

It's Ok if you want a WiiU the problem is that right now the 3DS version will be selling more at the end of the year heck even by 2015 it will be selling more, there's good wiiu games? Yeah, but when you compare to the other games of the 3ds and not only there's more on 3ds they are cheaper so nintendo needs to sell smash 3ds to the people if they give a exclusive character fans will be mad.

It would be a smart business decision, characters who couldn't work on 3DS are a bonus on the Wii U version. They're as such immune to blackmail complaints and 3DS owners still get the same game we have now.
Those who really want the characters will then buy the Wii U version. As it is now most of those buying the 3DS version won't buy the Wii U version unless it has Brawl level of content.

 

[Johnny Heart Gold]

t would be a smart business decision, characters who couldn't work on 3DS are a bonus on the Wii U version. They're as such immune to blackmail complaints and 3DS owners still get the same game we have now.
Those who really want the characters will then buy the Wii U version. As it is now most of those buying the 3DS version won't buy the Wii U version unless it has Brawl level of content.

That's like SFXT did with megaman, pacman and others to be a vita exclusive, and the xbox and ps3 had to pay for those, and even then fans where mad. Here people want IC to be a WiiU exclusive, and they can't be on the 3ds as DLC. But here's a question ,why don't make nana like the lumas? You know make her without AI. Besides it's like a said in my newest thread "We're goin to have cut on everygame we can't rise the 100 characters" IC where choose for the cut with other unique guys, it's a lose but It happen for a good reason.

 

[MagnesD3]

Wait, who in Smash 4 is marketing crap?
^legit question

Palutena, Wii fit trainer, villager, Lucina, robin, dark pit, Greninja, shulk, rosalina, miis and jr/koopalings.

 

[UltimateXsniper]

Can I just say that this thread barely talks about the bloom effect? And the thread now talks about other characters. Maybe I'm over thinking it...

 

[Walfan]

That's like SFXT did with megaman, pacman and others to be a vita exclusive, and the xbox and ps3 had to pay for those, and even then fans where mad. Here people want IC to be a WiiU exclusive, and they can't be on the 3ds as DLC. But here's a question ,why don't make nana like the lumas? You know make her without AI. Besides it's like a said in my newest thread "We're goin to have cut on everygame we can't rise the 100 characters" IC where choose for the cut with other unique guys, it's a lose but It happen for a good reason.

That's not the same thing at all. IC don't work on 3DS, they wouldn't be hidden behind a paywall.
As for the gameplay, Sakurai did say they could make them work but didn't have the time. By then I really doubt they could revamp them completely.

Honestly I fully expect them to come back as DLC later and exclusive to the Wii U and New 3DS.

 

[The Slayer]

Can I just say that this thread barely talks about the bloom effect? And the thread now talks about other characters. Maybe I'm over thinking it...

Well, the character affect the game more than bloom since it only affects one aspect of the 3DS. And since the OP mentioned IC, it was a matter of time when some "posters" jump on the thread to derailed it as usual.

 

[Syrek]

Ice Climbers, I could care less about a portable smash.

One character's absent doesn't equate to hating an entire game solely because of that absent, nor should it. Not only is that thinking childish but it's downright selfish to those who have wanted Smash Bros. on the go for ages. And don't you dare tell me people don't want Smash Bros. on the go because that's an outright lie and you know it. The Japanese sales of the game and popularity around the demo codes proves it without a shadow of a doubt. You may not care for it's existence and that's perfectly fine, but saying one character inclusion is more important than having Smash Bros. on the go is just silly and extremely biased.

Honestly, this topic has devolved from talking about removing bloom effect to make the Ice Climber's work in the 3DS to Wii U version vs 3DS version and how the 3DS version shouldn't even exist. What is wrong with most of you!? It is so sickening to see the amount of hatred towards the 3DS version because one character didn't make it in because of it's existence. How sad and deluded can you be to aggressively attack the 3DS version because of this minor reason, and yes it is minor. Despite your personal bias, your love for the Ice Climber's and so forth, at the end of the day it's just ONE character's absence, not a entire battalion of characters. I feel rather ashamed sometimes to be on these boards when I see topics like these devolve into mindless and pointless feuds, pitting us against each other like ravenous wolfs.

We should be celebrating the release of Smash Bros 3DS not brutally denying it's existence simply because hardware limitations dictated one character couldn't make it in. I'm sorry your main, favourite character what not couldn't get in, truly. Cuts are an inevitable part of Smash unfortunately, hardware limitations or otherwise but it's time to move on from that and focus on enjoying these two versions instead of angrily debating and fighting over the absence of the Ice Climber's. No amount of screaming, yelling, loathing, hatred, bias, and despising towards the 3DS version can change the fate of the Ice Climber's. What's done is done, time to move on.

I say this not to be cold or callous, merely to regain some sense of stability and peace in regards to this topic. Whatever your personal feelings towards the 3DS version, don't let your sour mood seep into those who are actively and eagerly awaiting the arrival of the 3DS version of Smash Bros. Your in turn ruining they're experience with your hurtful words and your making them feel like they're opinion and want for the 3DS version is not valid because it doesn't coincide with YOUR views or opinions on the matter.

I truly hope that we as a community can stop this petty feuding between the 3DS and Wii U version and this infernal debate over the 3DS versions lack of power being the reason for the Ice Climber's not being in this version of Smash Bros. I'm not going to reply to your comments in regards to this post so don't bother. I simply want to leave it at that since this has been on my mind as of late. I'm done arguing, fighting and debating over this topic. Enough is enough! I for one am going to throughly enjoy both versions and I have a right to do so.

 

[Curious Villager]

I agree, this discussion has been derailed from its initial discussion back to the usual toxic Ice Climbers vs 3DS versions existence discussions.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and lock the thread now.