I Think i found a viable marth tech......?

[Gemzelda_ss]

Ok so i was just fooling around with marth and i started to wonder since his down b (counter) can cancel his jump from the ledge, what are his other specials that will also cancel his jump from ledge. And basically other than down b his up b will also cancel. Now i know this doesn't seem useful but if u can b reverse a down b while canceling the ledge jump (and if someone is either waiting for you at the ledge or charging a smash attack) you can possibly get a stock!
Here how about u see for yourself: https://gfycat.com/ThirdAcrobaticCardinal
Now knowing that it cancels the jump this means that u will be invincible until activating the up b. And i don't know about u but i don't think theres someone who can react fast enough to marths up b so it seems like a surprise move that u can't be hit out of since u have invincibility. But the only con about this is if u don't land it or if u don't reverse/cancel it u can get SEVERELY punished and since i only would recommend trying this with a rage marth i think it would take a lot of getting used to how fast you have to input so u won't get punished and potentially loose a stock. k thnx a byeee!

 

[Vipermoon]

There is no cancelling involved. The Dolphin Slash is simply coming out as soon as Marth can act out of Ledge Jump. As far as Counter goes, Counter cancels jumps. If you jump whether on stage or from ledge and immediately Counter, you won't jump.

For hitting people with DS, there is a better way in my opinion. The problem with that way is that they have to stand at the very edge. Usually people don't stand there. So what's better is to Ledge Drop > Double Jump > Air Dodge > DS the other direction. You can use your double jump to go further onto the stage and catch stuff the ledge jump DS can't. If you miss, hopefully you can fast fall back to the ledge in time. But yes, the way you described is definitely faster.

 

[Gemzelda_ss]

There is no cancelling involved. The Dolphin Slash is simply coming out as soon as Marth can act out of Ledge Jump. As far as Counter goes, Counter cancels jumps. If you jump whether on stage or from ledge and immediately Counter, you won't jump.

For hitting people with DS, there is a better way in my opinion. The problem with that way is that they have to stand at the very edge. Usually people don't stand there. So what's better is to Ledge Drop > Double Jump > Air Dodge > DS the other direction. You can use your double jump to go further onto the stage and catch stuff the ledge jump DS can't. If you miss, hopefully you can fast fall back to the ledge in time. But yes, the way you described is definitely faster.

Hm! nice way of using DS at the ledge too. Maybe the only thing i see the ledge jump into up b doing better is killing sooner and getting a for sure sweetspot with it, but ur way def has a ton of more range. Anyway tho thanks for letting me know that it is indeed not canceling the jump, but last question i have is do u think this could be useful if someone is standing there or is the ledge cancel option better?

 

[Vipermoon]

Hm! nice way of using DS at the ledge too. Maybe the only thing i see the ledge jump into up b doing better is killing sooner and getting a for sure sweetspot with it, but ur way def has a ton of more range. Anyway tho thanks for letting me know that it is indeed not canceling the jump, but last question i have is do u think this could be useful if someone is standing there or is the ledge cancel option better?

There's no telling. So try it out and see if you can get away with it.

 

[Deathbyawesome]

This is an awesome option if nothing more than to keep pressure on and mixing things up. This option shines most when both players are focusing on getting a trump or spiking which in my experience happens often. Definitely glad this was brought up to the boards. Feel free to add me fellow Marths for some dittos.

 

[DariusM27]

I like it! Thanks for sharing. I think DS makes a good Dash attack punish also, if you have a good opening.

 

[Gemzelda_ss]

There's no telling. So try it out and see if you can get away with it.

ok ill def be trying to get videos of me using this! thanks

 

[FallenHero]

Not sure if this would count as a tech, but it certainly seems like a really powerful mix-up for recovery.

 

[Gemzelda_ss]

Thanks!
i also wanted to say that doing a full hop and double jump into shield breaker (full charge) lets math slide across the stage
Here:https://gfycat.com/AfraidMixedHarvestmen
i would only recommend using this for get up reads from the ledge since its not very effective in the neutral because its very predictable and takes a long time to execute
also one last last thing that i don't see maths do is forward throw into full hop SB it works at around 8-13 percent, is a true combo! and honestly looks flashy af to me lol k thnx byeeee!
(idk if any of this info I've said has been found so yah)

 

[DariusM27]

Thanks!
i also wanted to say that doing a full hop and double jump into shield breaker (full charge) lets math slide across the stage
Here:https://gfycat.com/AfraidMixedHarvestmen
i would only recommend using this for get up reads from the ledge since its not very effective in the neutral because its very predictable and takes a long time to execute
also one last last thing that i don't see maths do is forward throw into full hop SB it works at around 8-13 percent, is a true combo! and honestly looks flashy af to me lol k thnx byeeee!
(idk if any of this info I've said has been found so yah)

Yeah, I posted a link of myself doing that in the Video Analysis thread. It has other very good uses too, you should go check out my post.

http://smashboards.com/threads/hero-kings-council-video-analysis.368553/page-15

 

[Darklink401]

I'd try as well ledge jump into immediate dancing blade 1. Seems like worth a shot, and less of a commitment.

 

[Gemzelda_ss]

I'd try as well ledge jump into immediate dancing blade 1. Seems like worth a shot, and less of a commitment.

sadly that would only hit if the char is a tall one plus its hard to get a kill from it unless u have rage.

 

[Darklink401]

sadly that would only hit if the char is a tall one plus its hard to get a kill from it unless u have rage.

Hard to kill from DS as well if they're all the way across the stage xD