I Need to Get This Off My Chest

[Nafix]

I've been hiding a secret from the rest of the Pokemon world, and I've finally decided to reveal to you the god wall of DP. I've been using this for a while now and it absolutely owns in the current metagame. Thank me later for bestowing upon you all this magnificent beast.
Tangrowth@Leftovers aka BEASTMASTER
Bold, 236 HP, 160 Def, 114 SpAtt
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
HP Electric
Leaf Storm
Let me explain to you why you should run this on your team.
2HKOs Skarmory and Gyrados with HP electric. Gyrados's intimidate does nothing while a dragon danced ice fang can only 3HKO Tangrowth.
2HKOs Ttar with Leaf Storm.
Jolly Weavile can only 3HKO with Icepunch unless running Choice band which would be ********.
OHKOs Swampert. Pushes Donphan and Hippowdon's **** in. It completely shuts down electivire.
All this isn't even taking into account the fact that Tangrowth can sleep powder and leech seed to pwn countless other physical threats.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

You see, people? Isn't MoJo awesome?

Unfortuantly, Mojo will never be as good of a wall as Skarmory, namely because it doesn't have an instant recovery move except Morning Sun from Tangela in XD, and it doesn't have as many resistances. Sure, Waterfall, Thunderpunch and Earthquake resists are nice, but Skarmory resists Explosion, Zen Headbutt, Megahorn, Dragon Claw, Crunch, and is immune to Earthquake. Those are only a couple of examples, though.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[takieddine]

I ran into the gayest tangela in Battle tower. I had to stall it with skarmory, but eventually brought it down to its last stun spores.

I think it ran:

stun spore
rest
giga drain
amnesia.

Its not a bad grass pokemon, I think I would run tangrowth over any other grass.

 

[mood4food77]

tangrowth and breloom are the only OU grass pokes i think

 

[commonyoshi]

You people all suck for lack of Jumpluff as your favorite grass pokemon. It can outspeed a Garchomp!

(Skarmory is a cruddy pokemon, or at least has been whenever I've faced it. It isn't even immune to Earthquake anymore after it uses Roost. urg urg urg)

 

[lowradiation8989]

You people all suck for lack of Jumpluff as your favorite grass pokemon. It can outspeed a Garchomp!

(Skarmory is a cruddy pokemon, or at least has been whenever I've faced it. It isn't even immune to Earthquake anymore after it uses Roost. urg urg urg)

yes, well........starmie or weavile can outrun and ohko both jumpluff and garchomp

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

You people all suck for lack of Jumpluff as your favorite grass pokemon. It can outspeed a Garchomp!

(Skarmory is a cruddy pokemon, or at least has been whenever I've faced it. It isn't even immune to Earthquake anymore after it uses Roost. urg urg urg)

What Pokemon is actually slower than the normal Skarmory that could Earthquake after it Roosts?

• 
  Metagross will probably be running some Speed EVs or have a +Speed nature.

• 
  Tyranitar is naturally slower, but will almost always be running Speed EVs or a +Speed nature.

• 
  Skarmory can't really do that much to Swampert, so it won't really stay in on it too much.

• 
  Skarmory can't really do much to Rampardos unless it has Steel Wing. Besides, Rampardos will probably be Speed Baton Passed.

• 
  Skarmory's attacks will barely scrape Donphan, so it wouldn't stay in.

• 
  Skarmory can't do anything to Rhyperior.

Besides, if the Skarmory user is smart, they'd predict the opponent will predict that Skarmory will Roost and they should Earthquake, byt instead the Skarmory user would use Roar/Whirlwind.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Gray]

tangrowth and breloom are the only OU grass pokes i think

I believe Sceptile is still OU. he and the two you listed are the only ones I find worth using.

 

[ss118]

I've been hiding a secret from the rest of the Pokemon world, and I've finally decided to reveal to you the god wall of DP. I've been using this for a while now and it absolutely owns in the current metagame. Thank me later for bestowing upon you all this magnificent beast.
Tangrowth@Leftovers aka BEASTMASTER
Bold, 236 HP, 160 Def, 114 SpAtt
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
HP Electric
Leaf Storm
Let me explain to you why you should run this on your team.
2HKOs Skarmory and Gyrados with HP electric. Gyrados's intimidate does nothing while a dragon danced ice fang can only 3HKO Tangrowth.
2HKOs Ttar with Leaf Storm.
Jolly Weavile can only 3HKO with Icepunch unless running Choice band which would be ********.
OHKOs Swampert. Pushes Donphan and Hippowdon's **** in. It completely shuts down electivire.
All this isn't even taking into account the fact that Tangrowth can sleep powder and leech seed to pwn countless other physical threats.

It looks solid except for the bolded part.
Weaviles usually have a CB thanks to their insane speed, and those who don't usually have a Life Orb w/ Swords Dance, which would still make it a big threat.
You should mention how this would do best with some spike support, since Tangrowth OHKO's the 3 most commonly used Rapid Spinners: Claydol, Starmie, and Donphan, I believe. If I'm wrong, sorry.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

It looks solid except for the bolded part.
Weaviles usually have a CB thanks to their insane speed, and those who don't usually have a Life Orb w/ Swords Dance, which would still make it a big threat.
You should mention how this would do best with some spike support, since Tangrowth OHKO's the 3 most commonly used Rapid Spinners: Claydol, Starmie, and Donphan, I believe. If I'm wrong, sorry.

Yeah, but Starmie outspeeds and normally has Ice Beam, which is SE and hits Tangrowth's low 50 base Special Defense.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[ss118]

The standard set usually has Surf and Thunderbolt.
But Ice Beam is common, too, so you might need to find a way around that.

 

[D-20 Dice]

tangrowth and breloom are the only OU grass pokes i think

Celebi would like a word with you.

I believe Sceptile is still OU. he and the two you listed are the only ones I find worth using.

And you. Sceptile is BL BTW.

You people all suck for lack of Jumpluff as your favorite grass pokemon. It can outspeed a Garchomp!

(Skarmory is a cruddy pokemon, or at least has been whenever I've faced it. It isn't even immune to Earthquake anymore after it uses Roost. urg urg urg)

Annoyers died this gen. Jumpluff's movepool really revolves around that. Plus Grass/Flying is a really bad typing. It's also butt-ugly. It also can't outspeed Scarf Chomp, which seems to have become standard.

Skarm still won't get KOd by an EQ after it has roosted. It has a max 416 defense, and the most a STAB EQ would do is about 25%. That is from experience BTW.

 

[Yoshi Yoshi]

I've been hiding a secret from the rest of the Pokemon world, and I've finally decided to reveal to you the god wall of DP. I've been using this for a while now and it absolutely owns in the current metagame. Thank me later for bestowing upon you all this magnificent beast.
Tangrowth@Leftovers aka BEASTMASTER
Bold, 236 HP, 160 Def, 114 SpAtt
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
HP Electric
Leaf Storm
Let me explain to you why you should run this on your team.
2HKOs Skarmory and Gyrados with HP electric. Gyrados's intimidate does nothing while a dragon danced ice fang can only 3HKO Tangrowth.
2HKOs Ttar with Leaf Storm.
Jolly Weavile can only 3HKO with Icepunch unless running Choice band which would be ********.
OHKOs Swampert. Pushes Donphan and Hippowdon's **** in. It completely shuts down electivire.
All this isn't even taking into account the fact that Tangrowth can sleep powder and leech seed to pwn countless other physical threats.

The set is good, but there's two problems with it.
None of those are going to stay in against a Tangrowth anyway.
Why 236HP EVs? That puts you at 400. At least put 401, since that survives an extra Seismic Toss.

Also, Weavile is almost always Choice Band. If it isn't, it has Focus Sash with Swords Dance.

What Pokemon is actually slower than the normal Skarmory that could Earthquake after it Roosts?

Skarmory can't really do much to Rampardos unless it has Steel Wing. Besides, Rampardos will probably be Speed Baton Passed.

Rampardos is almost always 252Speed/Jolly (215 stat).

 

[Deleted member]

Celebi would like a word with you.



And you. Sceptile is BL BTW.



Annoyers died this gen. Jumpluff's movepool really revolves around that. Plus Grass/Flying is a really bad typing. It's also butt-ugly. It also can't outspeed Scarf Chomp, which seems to have become standard.

Skarm still won't get KOd by an EQ after it has roosted. It has a max 416 defense, and the most a STAB EQ would do is about 25%. That is from experience BTW.

i think a stabbed eq will do MUCh more than that

tangrowth i okay, but i dont see it being too overused soon as skarmory is an always will be superior

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

The set is good, but there's two problems with it.
None of those are going to stay in against a Tangrowth anyway.
Why 236HP EVs? That puts you at 400. At least put 401, since that survives an extra Seismic Toss.

The Tangrowth has Leftovers, which will allow it to survive 4 Seismic Tosses anyways.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Yoshi Yoshi]

The Tangrowth has Leftovers, which will allow it to survive 4 Seismic Tosses anyways.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

I know it will survive 4, but having 401HP lets it survive 1 more than that.

400 - 100 + 25 = 325
325 - 100 + 25 = 250
250 - 100 + 25 = 175
175 - 100 + 25 = 100
100 - 100 = 0

You survive 4, and the 5th kills you

401 - 100 + 25 = 326
326 - 100 + 25 = 251
251 - 100 + 25 = 176
176 - 100 + 25 = 101

After 4, you still have more than 100HP left.


Of course, Blissey is pretty much the only thing you need to worry about that still uses Seismic Toss, and you aren't doing a thing to it, other than Leech Seed. Some have Ice Beam too.

 

[Deleted member]

only old blissey uses seismic toss
no ST in D/P

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

I know it will survive 4, but having 401HP lets it survive 1 more than that.

400 - 100 + 25 = 325
325 - 100 + 25 = 250
250 - 100 + 25 = 175
175 - 100 + 25 = 100
100 - 100 = 0

You survive 4, and the 5th kills you

401 - 100 + 25 = 326
326 - 100 + 25 = 251
251 - 100 + 25 = 176
176 - 100 + 25 = 101

After 4, you still have more than 100HP left.


Of course, Blissey is pretty much the only thing you need to worry about that still uses Seismic Toss, and you aren't doing a thing to it, other than Leech Seed. Some have Ice Beam too.

Isn't 6% of 400 24? Leftovers heals 6% of the Pokemon's max health.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Yoshi Yoshi]

only old blissey uses seismic toss
no ST in D/P

Seismic Toss is still very viable. Calm Mind was the most popular for awhile to beat Manaphy, but Seismic Toss is being used again, due to the Tier List officially putting Manaphy in Ubers.

Isn't 6% of 400 24? Leftovers heals 6% of the Pokemon's max health.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

It heals 1/16, or 6.25%

 

[brdy_]

Rampardos is slower than Skarm, W4M. (And usually runs EQ)

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

It heals 1/16, or 6.25%

Oh, OK. I though it just healed 6%.

Rampardos is slower than Skarm, W4M. (And usually runs EQ)

I know, but:
1) Skarmory can't do anything to Rampardos unless it has Steel Wing, so it wouldn't want to stay in against it.
2) Even though Rampardos uses Physical Attacks, it has massive Attack, so it's attacks will eventually wear Skarmory down. (Head Smash FTW)

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99