Humanity: To live or die?

[Xzile the Tainted]

Humanity, we all are part of it and yet we are all flawed, and a lot of it is basically because we choose for it to be. What do you think about this predicament?

All humans show favoritism, even parents to children; No matter what they say, they love no one equally, and no matter how your wife or husband says it; They too have favoritism. Everyone has been wronged by someone at one point in their life, some to the point that they believe Karma, nor God † are actually existent at all.

We have had strings and strings of events to effect us, and yet we still go on. Some killing, others finding ways to relieve it yet are walking around empty shells of themselves, and others committing suicide. Some are accepted and find peace by conforming, others are just liked, and others take pleasure and their status from the suffering of others.

All in all, Do you think we are worthy of life? Do you think that humanity as a whole actual appreciates each other and therefore deserve life? Or do you think that everyone has such a darkness inside them that their light cannot be showed?

My opinion: We are all given life, not all of us are worthy of it. Eye for an eye should be okay, as long as it doesn't exceed the bounderies of which it was started upon. I say, kill the ones who have wronged and continue to wrong purposely, for they are not worthy of the soul they've been given.

 

[Zink]

human life is valuable. nobody deserves to die.

 

[Jammer]

My opinion: We are all given life, not all of us are worthy of it. Eye for an eye should be okay, as long as it doesn't exceed the bounderies of which it was started upon. I say, kill the ones who have wronged and continue to wrong purposely, for they are not worthy of the soul they've been given.

I totally disagree. What does it make us, when we kill people for killing?

We're all just animals with a civilization. And, just like animals, we all deserve to try to live our lives.

I'm sorry you're so cynical, Xzile.

 

[adaptor17]

there will be always be good in this world, and there will always be evil on this world.there has to be a balance,that's the way life is.

 

[MysticKenji]

@Title
To live is to die

Spoiler

I agree with adaptor

 

[Silent_Jester]

I've been thinking about this latly. I still don't know what to beleive.

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

To live is to play video games.

Otherwise the massive amount of *******s in this world will be our end.

 

[GoldShadow]

I totally disagree. What does it make us, when we kill people for killing?

I think killing for killing ("an eye for an eye") is totally justified.

Humans, in order to advance society and afford protection, have formed 'civilization' with rules and social structure. In other words, that's what makes us different from other animals. So when somebody breaks the rules that society has formed (by killing someone without just cause for example), then they forfeit the protection and rights that everybody else in society has. They are a threat to society and if they do not respect others' rights, they should not have their own rights honored. That's why I think "eye for an eye" is a good philosophy...

but only for extreme things, like murder. Personally, I'm big on "forgive and forget" and "live and let live". Those make for much more cooperation and kindness.

 

[Formula1]

I believe some people become animalized (like serial killers) and base their lives on passions like animals rather then seek to learn (like scientists) in order to promote our country and community and world as a whole

I believe only these three people should stay alive
The Workforce- They can do drugs
The Police Force- They Can do drugs when they are off duty
The Scientists- They can't do drugs but have the sweetest lives

 

[RoyalRook]

I am God, your life is meaningless compares to mine. Girls are awesome, or p*ssies are awesome, maybe legs or other things as well? And oh, SSBM of course, or chemistry, or accounting? I think my tutor is a total hottie, I got to take her for a spin before the end of this semester, what a waste I say, she could be such a good stripper. There is nothing more I want from her, than for her to bend over and play with herself in front of a mirror. I wonder if she likes to play with a doll, should I push my luck? School starts tomorrows at 8, I hope to bump to her around 10. She could be a ****, you never know, hell which sorority is she sent from again? Which a lousy price like that per hour, she has to be a new pledger or freshman, does that make the chase less interesting or wildly enticing?

P.S. I think killing is totally over rated, there are so many better way to f**k someone over these days. Don't kill, kids, don't kill, be a man.

 

[Mic_128]

I think killing for killing ("an eye for an eye") is totally justified.

I heard a brilliant quote on TV last night.

"If we all follow the law of an eye for an eye, everyone in the world will be blind."

Honestly, I don't know what to think of humanity. We polute, we murder other species, for the hell of it even when there's no real gain (Japan, I'm looking at you, Mr "scientific Research") we fight, we're rude, we're violent...if it wasn't for the fact we aren't all like that (thank god) we would have been long dead.

 

[Formula1]

Dude, I think thats MLK

IF TV's stealing it, then our world has clearly lost all morals of intellectual property

Plus, If you knew that everyone else in the world was sane, except for one idiot killing people because he thought it was funny, and though he had the ability to understand it is not ok, He decided everyone who said it's not ok to kill wasn't "cool" enough
Why wouldn't you kill him

He's a complete idiot, a person with the ability of self control just decides not to use it,
Kill him if he's gunna be such a d-bag

 

[Tryptomine]

I heard a brilliant quote on TV last night.

"If we all follow the law of an eye for an eye, everyone in the world will be blind."

That's hardly an original saying though, I've seen it many, many times in different places. Plus I simply hate to give any credit to the piss-stained swamplands that is television (to borrow one of Yahtzee's descriptions).

Existence is inherently selfish, so I don't see much point in worrying too much whether we are the "scourge of the universe" or not. Not that I think that gives us a blank check for mayhem either.

 

[Mic_128]

That's hardly an original saying though, I've seen it many, many times in different places.

Oh I'm not suprised, I think it might have even been in some movie.

Just saying I heard it and agree with it.

 

[Formula1]

So if you baby was eaten by some insane dude....
WOuld you be like, it's ok he only needs to be recorrected....
I mean unless he has the "secrets to the universe" would I even care that someone that was bringing so much misery would get to live

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

D4mN straight!

 

[Jammer]

If someone killed my baby, I think I'd like to see them put in jail for life.

Unless if they were insane, in which place I would like for them to be cured of their illness and released, if possible.

When we have the ability to keep someone from damaging society by putting them in jail (costing the taxpayers doesn't count), I don't think we should be allowed to kill them anymore.

There's always a chance that the guy who's in jail didn't actually kill my baby. I would hate to make the decision (killing someone) that you can never go back on.

 

[Xzile the Tainted]

human life is valuable. nobody deserves to die.

So, I'm guessing that Adolf Hitler didn't deserve to die in his time?

I totally disagree. What does it make us, when we kill people for killing?

We're all just animals with a civilization. And, just like animals, we all deserve to try to live our lives.

I'm sorry you're so cynical, Xzile.

Human, we have a need for revenge. If you ever watched Saw III, then I'm sure you k now what I'm talking about. However, we are all able to over come revenge and our want to get even by either evening it out, letting it go (if we choose and have the will), or by forgiving (If we see we are wrong or if we see the person has made their best effort to live up to the standards to be forgiven). Very well, don't kill people for killing, but a mentality to kill will be kept no matter the place you keep them.

If we are truly animals with civilization. Then why don't animals have civilization? Because they're not civilized, thus animals. Hence, we are not.

If someone killed my baby, I think I'd like to see them put in jail for life.

Unless if they were insane, in which place I would like for them to be cured of their illness and released, if possible.

When we have the ability to keep someone from damaging society by putting them in jail (costing the taxpayers doesn't count), I don't think we should be allowed to kill them anymore.

There's always a chance that the guy who's in jail didn't actually kill my baby. I would hate to make the decision (killing someone) that you can never go back on.

If someone killed your baby and was "insane", if someone was insane they would have displayed it throughout their lives, not simply at some breaking point where they flew off the deep end. I doubt someone killing a baby is insane and not a pre-mediated thought.

Ontop of this, if they did get in there, they would act crazy and "gradually" start to get better and be released to start the same mayhem they got in there for, or to actually change their ways and get off Scott free.

Now, if someone was falsely incarcerated, there is a chance they will always get an appeal, or late evidence will arrive to free them however; if Not. They spend their whole lives thinking on what they missed, the life they could have had, and everyday is slow, agonizing torture.

 

[pdk]

All in all, Do you think we are worthy of life? Do you think that humanity as a whole actual appreciates each other and therefore deserve life?

according to...?

this stuff is honestly so cynical and brooding that it's **** near impossible to take seriously outside of a college philosophy class

 

[Pluvia's other account]

People you make it sound as though good ad evil are two clearly defined and separate things. Of course there are extreme cases (Hitler) but, all in all, life doesn't work like that.

No point in going around and believing in hocus pocus or thinking that things happen for a reason. Good people are killed, whole families die.

It's not unfair.

It's life.

 

[RoyalRook]

I believe some people become animalized (like serial killers) and base their lives on passions like animals rather then seek to learn (like scientists) in order to promote our country and community and world as a whole

I believe only these three people should stay alive
The Workforce- They can do drugs
The Police Force- They Can do drugs when they are off duty
The Scientists- They can't do drugs but have the sweetest lives

That's BS. Truth be told:
The Workforce - They can do drugs when they are off duty.
The Police Force - They can't do drugs but can F**K with lives.
The Scientists - They can do drugs all the times.

Finally come on now, this world was never designed to be an eye for an eye, it has always being governed under the Law of the Jungle. Hell, let me be the ******* here for a second: when a lovely white girl and a lowly black girl gone missing, who do YOU think would get more media coverage? Which kidnapper would YOU think more than likely to be punished in the court of the law? An eye for an eye? You wish, if you are not rich, b!tches.

 

[Zink]

Yeah, not even Hitler deserved to die. When I say "nobody" I probably mean "nobody".
Look at it this way. Someone who is either insane or sociopathic can't really control themselves. The insane person won't know what they're doing, and the sociopath has no emotions with which to judge the consequences of an action. So you can't judge them on the morals of normal people.

 

[pikachun00b7]

Ok. A topic I am interested in.
I am in Zink's side. No one should die. I thought society has evolved to appreciate some thing as basic as life. Killing people will get us nowhere.
We can not undo the mistakes people have made.
(uses Hitler as an example)
Hitler is not the devil.
Nor are we God.

We have no right to kill a man. A man, no matter who he may be, loves. No one is purely evil. One dead sinner is just one less person to love. And how does society benefit? We get our selfish hate satisfied at the cost of life.

"An eye for an eye makes us all blind."
"Two wrongs don't make a right."
"Who, who has not sinned, throw the first stone."

Great sayings, in my own opinion. (Yes, I bothered to spell it out)

 

[Adi]

The fact of the matter is, regardless of what potentials we may have, our experiences are what make us and our actions are what we are judged upon. Those who are evil or do wrong upon another deserve to be punished in a manner that is befitting of their crime.

Personally, I am all for capital punishment, and perhaps even using it to a larger extent. In doing so a larger fear would be created in the criminal mind. Indeed we would get some wrongful incriminations, and perhaps punishments exceeding the crime, but in the process of creating a greater good, the ends justify the means.

 

[pikachun00b7]

The topic name should be changed. I am totally against capital punishment.
Making severe consequences is fine, but death his not.

The fact of the matter is, regardless of what potentials we may have, our experiences are what make us and our actions are what we are judged upon. Those who are evil or do wrong upon another deserve to be punished in a manner that is befitting of their crime.

Who are to judge? How will this help society? Punishing with death for example is ****ing sick! Fear is a horrible solution. Especially if it involves death. I believe murderers( and maybe rapists) should have life or solitary confinement. They can not possibly hurt someone in there. I do not think of jail as punishment. I think of it as repercussions so it does not happen again.

Why life sentence is better than capital punishment:
It is humane. And respectful to human life.
It does the same thing.
It is less expensive.
etc.

Capital Punishment has no advantage over Life sentence... unless you want to give some points.




Excuse my grammar; I am too lazy to check it.

 

[Tryptomine]

Why life sentence is better than capital punishment:
It is humane. And respectful to human life.
It does the same thing.
It is less expensive.
etc.

Uhh, I'm no expert on the subject and have no actual numbers to back it up, but I can't imagine capital punishment being more expensive then imprisoning someone for life.

 

[NJzFinest]

human life is valuable. nobody deserves to die.

Wow, I completely agree 100% with Zink.

So, I'm guessing that Adolf Hitler didn't deserve to die in his time?

Pretty much. No one has the right to take a life away from another. Those who go against this deserve severe punishment, but nothing as great as the loss of a life which God has given them. Killing another is basically undoing the work of God. Then again, there are those who are atheist and do not necessarily hold any concern about human life.
Sorry if I seem to be bias with my religious thoughts.

If someone murdered my family (which I pray will never happen -_-), I wouldn't sink as low to even wish death apon him/her.

(uses Hitler as an example)
Hitler is not the devil.
Nor are we God.

Well said.

 

[Jammer]

Uhh, I'm no expert on the subject and have no actual numbers to back it up, but I can't imagine capital punishment being more expensive then imprisoning someone for life.

Nope, it turns out that executing someone is quite a bit more expensive than giving them life in prison.

This is because when you get the death penalty, an automatic appeal process goes into play, and you keep having trial after trial and spend so much time in the courtroom and spend so many judges' and attorneys' time that it more than cancels out the cost of keeping someone in prison for 50 years. The legal expenses for executing someone are just so huge.

At least, that is what I have been told. I don't have any numbers to back it up either.

 

[NJzFinest]

Wow, I'll have to look that up Jammer....I always thought executing someone was less, no question. What you said is pretty interesting, hmm...

 

[omfgomfg]

Humanity: To live or die?

To die.I wasn't kidding. I am serious.

 

[Jammer]

Oh crap omfgomfg! Don't jump! Life is worth living!

No seriously. Why do you say "To die"?

Also, are you emo?

 

[Jammer]

Oh crap omfgomfg! Don't jump! Life is worth living!

No seriously. Why do you say "To die"?

Also, are you emo?

 

[omfgomfg]

Absolutely not emo!
Absolutely not going to commit suicide!
I won't explain why I said that though, sorry.

 

[Lavos]

TC, stop basing your opinions off of bad horror movies. It's reeeeeally not a good habit.

I'm not even a religious person and I don't believe that killing is right. Someone like Hitler did not deserve to get a perma-ban, he simply didn't deserve to post in our society. His views and actions were considered massive trolling by the mods of the early 20th century. Unfortunately, there was only one board for us all to post on. The idea situation would be to give him his own board, but that's just not possible. He should have just been limited to a single topic and then had it locked. No one truly deserves the perma-ban... err I mean no one deserves to die!

Basically, if someone can not comply to the rules of the society they live in, they should not be permitted to live there. If we could give them their own society where their actions are considered OK, that would be great, but it's just not feasible. The best we can do, is to simply prevent them from causing any more harm to our society.

 

[Blackadder]

Huzzah for the interesting thread!
'Bout time something like this came along, if you ask me.

Few things worth ranting on here:

human life is valuable. nobody deserves to die.

As simple as that quote is, it really sums it all up for me.
No one deserves to die, no matter what their crimes.

So, I'm guessing that Adolf Hitler didn't deserve to die in his time?

I thought on this for a while...
But...you know what? I'd say no. Locked up, for sure. But not killed. Killing is such a brutal thing, really. Hitler was probably so mentally unfit anyway, I doubt he knew what the hell he was really doing.

Humans are just animals, we live life. It's what we do, and we suck at it hard. But we're such a tiny part of the universe anyway, so in the big picture, I doubt it matters much what we do much. But we're here anyways, and we may as well try and build and society with as little mayhem as possible. Humans are to live, in all.

I just try and look on the bright side of things, live and life, and see what happens after.

 

[Mic_128]

Lavos, I really love that analogy.

 

[Jammer]

Me too, but I don't see how that means we can't put him in jail. That would be like giving Hitler his own private thread to post in, and maybe having a mod come in every once in a while to give him some food for thought (food) and cleaning up the spam (making his cell sparkle).

When you're in jail, you can't really do much harm to society.

 

[GoldShadow]

I'm not even a religious person and I don't believe that killing is right. Someone like Hitler did not deserve to get a perma-ban, he simply didn't deserve to post in our society. His views and actions were considered massive trolling by the mods of the early 20th century. Unfortunately, there was only one board for us all to post on. The idea situation would be to give him his own board, but that's just not possible. He should have just been limited to a single topic and then had it locked. No one truly deserves the perma-ban... err I mean no one deserves to die!

Me too, but I don't see how that means we can't put him in jail. That would be like giving Hitler his own private thread to post in, and maybe having a mod come in every once in a while to give him some food for thought (food) and cleaning up the spam (making his cell sparkle).

On the other hand, even if given his own thread, he'd be taking up bandwith and resources; the mods could be doing other useful things rather than checking up on someone who's never going to make a post and has severely violated the forum's rules.

I'm surprised at how "anti-capital punishment" people are here. By no means should capital punishment be used haphazardly, but there are, without a doubt, some people who deserve to die.

Just for a show of hands, who here has ever had a relative, friend, or family member murdered for no good reason whatsoever? I have not (and I hope it never happens) but I bet most of you would be singing a different tune if that were to ever happen to someone you know.

 

[Tom]

I heard a brilliant quote on TV last night.

"If we all follow the law of an eye for an eye, everyone in the world will be blind."

I think thats the Gandhi movie. :D

 

[Xzile the Tainted]

Oh... really now?..

It would seem as though many people say that no matter what someone does, they do not deserve to die. Despite no matter how horrible they are, how many people they've killed (Hitler's case was holocaust, nearly genocide) and if they're "insane". Allow me to address these topics in my "cynical" fashion as you all seem to call me so far.

Killing has existed even before we fully hit the epitome of civilization. And within it; lies the people who are the victims and the hunters. You say we should not kill anyone; yet instead incarcerate them for life; One person in this thread even said if they were found to be "crazy" to get them worked on, and hopefully released. This is nothing but a huge farce.

We're all humans, and because of an injustice done to us we have a natural rage and the want for revenge; that some of us are able to resist better than others. However; If your mother, your father, sister; girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, daughter, was killed.... ***** before being killed, tortured; mutilated. Let me give you a story my teacher gave me of her first trial, as I am in school to be a court reporter for homicide and **** cases.. they make me giggle. Tell me if this guy deserves death or not.

A woman who was just through a nasty divorce went out with her two friends, who were happily married and a couple. While there ,a guy came over to say hi to the couple, he apparently had did some work on their front yard not too long ago. They asked him to join, as he wasn't bad looking and the other woman was clearly looking for someone. He said that he was with a friend of his drinking over at the bar, and that he couldn't, but it was good to see them again. A few minutes later he came back and said his friend had left for some unexpected occurance and if it would be okay to eat with them; they said sure. Him and the woman hit it off, and she agreed to drop him off since the friend who gave him a ride had vanished. Now, he said where he lived and the woman determined it was farther than her other friends (the couple) so, she dropped off the couple first. Big mistake.

Once they reached the area of his supposed house, he pulled a butcher sized knife out of his boot and put it to her head saying, "do what I say and you'll be fine". But anyways, long story short. He ends up shooting at her son. Punching her face to the point her skull caved in a bit, and her eye ball fell out of it's socket, breaking her nose and having her missing some teeth. He bit off both of her nipples; Rammed a knife through the bottom of her jaw and split her tongue in half. Also he used the knife to make her ****** and anus one hole and then ***** her; She was destroyed for knife and he knew what he was doing. Does he deserve to die?



Basically. Sure, human life is all precious. But, to stay alive they're rules to follow. Killing someone should be the choice of the person who is wronged in capital punishment cases, Life in Jail they have potential to actually enjoy their lives before they die. They can find peace with God †, they can get in a gang and live the good life in prison; Never having to worry about food, and possibility of actually breaking out. Sure, no one should die, but some people do deserve to die and should DIE.