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How the "Subspace Emissary" will work: IMAGE INTENSIVE... I WAS RIGHT!

Gamingboy

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Based on the I've kinda imagined it as being sort of like you'll build a "stable" of fighters to oppose the Ancient minister over time. I'm guessing it'll be like this based on images available AND the cut-scenes, as well as what I can figure out logically. Take all this with a grain of salt. I'll update it as I learn more.

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Opening Cutscene: "The Rules of this World"



Level 1 (semi-tutorial): Mario vs. Kirby. You can pick to be either Mario or Kirby, but either way, you must defeat your opponent.

CUT-SCENE: The Primids arrive via the Halberd. Mario, Kirby, Peach and Zelda stand ready to fight.




Level 2 (Fighting Primid Team): You can play as any of those 4 in a "FIGHTING POLYGONS"-type fight against a group of Primids. This fight can be seen with the player character being Mario in the screen below.



CUT-SCENE: The Ancient Minister arrives and delivers a Subspace Bomb. Petey Pirahna knocks Mario out of the stadium and kidnaps the Princesses.



BOSS FIGHT: PETEY PIRANHA. You can only be Kirby here. You fight Petey, and can rescue one of the princesses. It is unknown what happens to the one you don't rescue, but somehow I think that the fight with Petey has a time limit (due to the Subspace bomb), and that once you rescue one of the princesses there is no time left to rescue the other without escaping before the entire stadium is blown up into subspace. I'm guessing the Princess you DON'T rescue will not be playable until late in the adventure, after you rescue her from subspace.



CUT-SCENE: Results of victory/rescuing a princess. The stadium is engulfed into subspace.



CUT-SCENE: Pit watches the destruction of the stadium from the heavens (apparently, he's spent the last decade or so watching TV in a pool, a sad fall), and is distressed. But Palutena has an order for him: help stop the Subspace Army! Descending from the
heavens.... PIT HAS RETURNED! But, (this is speculation based on a previous screen shot), the Subspace army has learned of his coming, and ambushes him!




LEVEL 3: PIT AMBUSHED!

Using Pit, fight through some of the subspace army's nastiest machines and lackeys.





Speculation:

A) Just go linearly to the next level with Kirby and whatever Princess you saved as your available characters.

OR

B) Have branching paths depending on which Princess you saved. If you saved Peach, she will force you to look for Mario and make sure the Mushroom Kingdom is OKAY. If you saved Zelda, she will force you to go and recruit Link to help your party.

OR

C) Continue linearly and go to another character. Sakurai said "This is a new, never-before-seen form of aggression...but now is no time to stop and stare. Everyone, everywhere, is beginning to move against it." After the escape from the Stadium, perhaps you take over those characters moving against it and you have several threads going (this I think maybe the least likely). (With the coming of the latest PIT video, this has increased in likelihood).

OR

D) From colbusman
I stated this in Fawriel's subspace thread, but i think i'll post my idea here as well. i don't think it's going to be as linear as you think it's going to be. yes i do think the branching storylines will come into play, but (and correct me if i'm wrong) the way you put it, it seems you'll only play as "so said" character at "so said" time, with no way to choose who you start out with. i know you said you could pick mario or kirby to start out with, but i mean you can only start with those. i don't think that'll happen. i think you pick said character and you play as him throughout the whole thing, but all the character's stories will interconnect at some point. i think if you chose mario, you play it regularly, but instead of fighting petey like kirby does, you go to a different level cause, obviously, you got hit by the cannonball. same with the princesses. if you pick zelda, your first chapter could be trying to help mario and kirby out, you get captured, but you don't see kirby fight. it just skips the fight and goes straight to the cutscene where you're rescued.
Also, I believe that after you defeat a stage, you may be able to go back and play it again with a new character. So if you want to fight Petey Pirahna with Diddy Kong, you could after you beat it with Kirby.




Recent updates have showed that I am for the most part right in my predictions.
. With the bonus of a 2P co-op mode!

You will be able to, before each stage, pick members from characters you encountered. For example, take this picture below:



As you can see, at this point in the game there are two teams:
Kirby and Zelda (from the Stadium... Zelda would likely be Peach if you rescue her)
Pit and Mario (obviously, Mario landed all the way in Skyworld. Which is cool, in a cartoonish way)


Sakurai says that The protagonists form teams based on the developments in the story, and the characters they encounter join their team.. Meaning you likely have more then one team going on until likely the very end.


I'll continue posting as more comes available or I find time.
 

Dacvak

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Yeah, I'm just about 90% sure this is literally the exact post you just made in the Petey Piranha thread. I'm pretty sure that can still be classified as a double-post.

Probably want to keep it in one place or the other. =/

~Dac
 

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Yeah, I'm just about 90% sure this is literally the exact post you just made in the Petey Piranha thread. I'm pretty sure that can still be classified as a double-post.

Probably want to keep it in one place or the other. =/

~Dac
Yeah, I just got rid of the other one.
 

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I'll repeat, Good post man. Now, how about depending on how you run through the story is how you unlock the characters and stages in VS mode? If there are branching paths than that means you will have to beat it multiple times. That means a longer and more in depth story line that can turn into a rewarding experience.

Here's hoping it turns out like Gamingboy intends!
 

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realistically its very possible this is how the new single player could work out... if you think about it, its basically mixing the event matches and adventure mode into one. looks interesting.
 

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I dont think that the coming back and redo the event with other character idea will work, couse what if you come back with either Peach or Zelda and fight Petey Piranah that has you inside a cage already, that would be kinda weird
 

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I dont think that the coming back and redo the event with other character idea will work, couse what if you come back with either Peach or Zelda and fight Petey Piranah that has you inside a cage already, that would be kinda weird
Maybe, it would only let you choose characters that didn't have different roles in the stage..
 

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I really like your ideas, especially the branching storylines one.
 

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I stated this in Fawriel's subspace thread, but i think i'll post my idea here as well. i don't think it's going to be as linear as you think it's going to be. yes i do think the branching storylines will come into play, but (and correct me if i'm wrong) the way you put it, it seems you'll only play as "so said" character at "so said" time, with no way to choose who you start out with. i know you said you could pick mario or kirby to start out with, but i mean you can only start with those. i don't think that'll happen. i think you pick said character and you play as him throughout the whole thing, but all the character's stories will interconnect at some point. i think if you chose mario, you play it regularly, but instead of fighting petey like kirby does, you go to a different level cause, obviously, you got hit by the cannonball. same with the princesses. if you pick zelda, your first chapter could be trying to help mario and kirby out, you get captured, but you don't see kirby fight. it just skips the fight and goes straight to the cutscene where you're rescued.

i may of infered your post wrong, and tell me if i did, but i don't think it'll start the same everytime. it just depends on what character you pick first, and that's how the story rolls
 

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I stated this in Fawriel's subspace thread, but i think i'll post my idea here as well. i don't think it's going to be as linear as you think it's going to be. yes i do think the branching storylines will come into play, but (and correct me if i'm wrong) the way you put it, it seems you'll only play as "so said" character at "so said" time, with no way to choose who you start out with. i know you said you could pick mario or kirby to start out with, but i mean you can only start with those. i don't think that'll happen. i think you pick said character and you play as him throughout the whole thing, but all the character's stories will interconnect at some point. i think if you chose mario, you play it regularly, but instead of fighting petey like kirby does, you go to a different level cause, obviously, you got hit by the cannonball. same with the princesses. if you pick zelda, your first chapter could be trying to help mario and kirby out, you get captured, but you don't see kirby fight. it just skips the fight and goes straight to the cutscene where you're rescued.

i may of infered your post wrong, and tell me if i did, but i don't think it'll start the same everytime. it just depends on what character you pick first, and that's how the story rolls
I agree with you
 

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great freakin job...i liked this idea...just like the majority of teh ppl on tis thread...(seriously)
 

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I was wondering about the whole 'save the princess thing' too. I'm thinking they might show up possibly as bosses later on in the plot line. (Lol, heartless?) Maybe this is a little far-fetched for an idea, but
Peach and Zelda have both been bosses in newer games. (Twilight Princess and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door). Maybe they'd fight similar to these forms?

Or maybe I'm just foaming at the mouth. Either way. (Hasn't someone else talked about this before?)
 

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I'm hoping for a Sonic Adventure-eqsue style story mode. You start off as Mario or Kirby and can select more characters story mode when you meet them.

Also, stage wise there should be around 20-25 levels. And each character will play different stages at different times of the story. Ex: Smashville could be Kirby's third stage but Pit's eighth stage
 

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I'm back, but since no new SE posts have shown up on Smashbros.com yet, I just added in Colbusman's idea as idea D.
 

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I agree, you will be forced to play this mode as Certain Characters at Certain Times. This is no doubt an attempt to erase the tedious nature of completing the game with every character to unlock Mr. Game and Watch/Marth/Young Link we saw in Melee. I think you're onto something there with Option C.
 

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I think that in the begining you can choose between mario and kirby. With the one you choose you get to fight the first few fights, untill you free one prinsess. From there on you go to a side scroling stage where you play as the prinsess you rescue, or the one you choose at first, depending on how the story line is set.
I think that with the normal fights you can select every caracter that joined you/hapens to be there. But for the platfor stages I think your choise will be limited to the ones fit for the stage.
From a devolopment point of view this is the easyest way to do this, becouse some caracters that can glide will be able to get over larger gaps then someone like bowser.
If the stages where made so every caracter could be used there would have to be multiple paths, witch is hard to balance. Or just one path where some caracters would have huge atvantages.
 

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I think it would be a lot like Soul Calibur III's story mode. You chose whatever character you have and continue story mode. They have a few videos with the character you chose in it (In one part, you fight Zasalamel no matter what character you are- they just replace the model with your character opposite of Zasalamel). It probably wouldn't have any of those storyline text boxes inbetween fights and videos, though. Hopefully they won't do something stupid like use Doppelganger (When Zasa fights Zasa in storymode, the man fights himself- all they did was change the opponent's name to Doppelganger).
 

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Updated with latest update. This video of Pit being sent to stop the Subspace Army leads to him being ambushed or something similar, leading to a level from one of the Pit screenshots in the post that announced the true nature of the Subspace Emissary mode.


Also, I think this may increase the linearity, although that's still up for debate.
 
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