How Much Further Can SSB64 Go?

[prisonchild]

thanks mainly to TASers, the game has pretty much been pushed to its limits. however, when it comes to humans playing how much more room for improvement is there?

there are different areas for improvement, like tech skills, strategies, etc. do you think there will be many changes in any of these areas?

i think in the techincal department it's pretty much maxed out, it just comes down to how effectively you can use the tech skills. that brings me to my main point.

strategy-wise, will there be more effective ways to approach with certain characters, better ways to edgeguard, better ways to punish camping, etc. My expertise of this game isn't nearly as great as some of the others on here so i'm curious to see what some of you think.

smash at the top level is very much a chess game, so is it possible for there to be a new 'berlin wall' of smash?

ps i understand that a lot of strategies are very specific to each character, the maps, and opponents but there has to be a more effective general strategy

 

[Battlecow]

TAS is for showing cool stuff. It doesn't show the highest level of play, because there's more to being good at smash than frame-perfect shenanigans or epic impractical DI-able combos.

The only way I see a wall occurring would be if people got good enough that they discovered that approaching was never good, at which point... **** sucks. I'd argue that that's only going to happen on Hyrule, though.

Otherwise, no, mindgames aren't really limited, and reading the opponent isn't something that both opponents can ever do perfectly.

 

[TANK64]

Yea I would say that most players, even good ones are VERY far away from the limit in this game. Like Battlecow said, you will never be able to predict everything, and that affects spacing and approach too. Isai/Boom are a lot closer to the "max" of this game I suppose. But that's what I thought years ago and (from what I've seen) both of them got way better in the past few years. I have more to add but I'm in class lol.

oh and Hyrule sucks.

 

[The Star King]

I don't even know what I'm doing half the time and apparently I'm a top player

 

[Olikus]

much further is the answer.

 

[odinNJ]

this game can go wherever it wants

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

people's hands can be pushed to quicken. But TAS cannot at this point.

Ness/Yoshi will actually be good then

 

[Fish641]

Seeing as there are only a handful of players that can give Isai a run for his money, no, the game has not been pushed to its limits.

 

[Sempiternity]

But has Isai pushed the game to its limits?

 

[asianaussie]

until everyone does perfect **** DI and people start having to anticipate it, 64 has not been pushed anywhere near any limit

 

[malva00]

just play and have fun

if no fun then go

 

[prisonchild]

just play and have fun

if no fun then go

that's certainly a good outlook to have. i have a couple friends who finish every smash session swearing and cursing saying how they hate the game lol. i honestly don't understand how/why they do it.

 

[JaimeHR]

I have a couple friends who finish every smash session swearing and cursing saying how they hate the game lol. i honestly don't understand how/why they do it.

Sounds like Smasherx74 and ZèÚ$ when you play them on Galaxy

 

[reallyfastcar]

I don't even know what I'm doing half the time and apparently I'm a top player

This is the best thing I have ever read, EVER!

 

[Sempiternity]

you need to get out of the house and spend more t-

you need to stay IN the house and spend more time on the internet

 

[Dr.Pancake]

Just start playing as all the different characters, that should atleast give you something to do for a while! but other than that, I've been playing SSB since it was released back in 99.. so I don't think it's ever going to lose its fun.

 

[malva00]

I don't even know what I'm doing half the time and apparently I'm a top player

that means you're not a top player

once you understand what you're doing, everything will become clear (like Neo at the end of the first Matrix), and you will be on your way to becoming a top player

 

[The Star King]

I'll get there

 

[asianaussie]

i saw the matrix for the first time a week ago

until then i thought neo was the black guy

 

[clubbadubba]

i saw the matrix for the first time a week ago

until then i thought neo was the black guy

Wait... what? how can you even... I don't know how the fu... why you not watch... it so good.... neo is so white... and you didn't watch it but I don't underst.... is it because you're australian?

 

[ciaza]

probably

last time i saw the matrix was when i was like 5. have not cared to watch it since then

 

[asianaussie]

Wait... what? how can you even... I don't know how the fu... why you not watch... it so good.... neo is so white... and you didn't watch it but I don't underst.... is it because you're australian?

yeh we just got the brand new vhs tapes in last week, they're selling like crazy atm

 

[clubbadubba]

yeh we just got the brand new vhs tapes in last week, they're selling like crazy atm

wow i had no idea you guys were so far behind in technology. fyi DO NOT BUY LASERDISC! Something better will come along I promise.

 

[Morin0]

Don't ever buy this when it comes out. **** doesn't work. I had to return it.

 

[asianaussie]

apparently we're getting the first star wars movie soon

the first, not the fourth

never got why the fourth was the first O_o

 

[SSBPete]

wow i had no idea you guys were so far behind in technology. fyi DO NOT BUY LASERDISC! Something better will come along I promise.

you know he's kidding right?

and matrix is amazing, probably one of my favorite movies

i watched it recently...

Spoiler

on blueray

 

[clubbadubba]

yes i know he's kidding

 

[SSBPete]

Just making sure

My mate convinced a Canadian kid he rides a kangaroo to school

 

[ciaza]

do americans ride fat kids to school?

 

[_Rocky_]

are swedish meat balls made from norwegian scrotums?

 

[Sempiternity]

do americans ride fat kids to school?

you kidding me

if that was the case, they wouldn't be fat

 

[The Star King]

I wish I had a kangaroo to ride

 

[prisonchild]

yeah way to stay on topic guys

 

[clubbadubba]

yeah way to stay on topic guys

lol what does 'on topic' even mean, ya know? like if we talk about ssb metagame and end up talking about riding kangaroos around, are we really that far off metaphorically speaking?

 

[asianaussie]

Our work here is done.

fml that flag is from the one nation party

 

[The Star King]

red white and blue flags are so mainstream

 

[SSBPete]

being colonized by the british is so mainstream

 

[Olikus]

red white and blue flags are so mainstream

norwegian flag is never mainstream >=(

 

[The Star King]

being colonized by the british is so mainstream

Yeaahh gurrllr. I know RITE? By the Spanish too fa SHO. Brazilians are LUCKY they're more UNIQUE 'cause PORTUGAL isn't so PREVALENT.

Also was always kind of suprised (<eff the first r of that word, that's how I pronounced it for years) that the Aussie posse have kept their flag swag tarnished with that Brit shoutout in the top-left corner. That ain't independence nukkas

norwegian flag is never mainstream >=(

Horizontal stripes or a cross also be mainstream. Both in colors and pattern... Sorry Norway

 

[Battlecow]

OK, norway's flag is eh, but the mother****ers who really need a ****ing flag change are the russians and the yugoslavians and the netherlands. Who's who? How could anyone ever tell?

The french too kind of, although their main flag (the one with the white cross on the white background) is so definitively theirs that it makes up for it.