How exciting will competitive matches be?

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

It's no debate that competitive Melee matches can easily create hype among lots of Smash players. Brawl did the same for me, but some may argue Brawl didn't have as much thrill as Melee when it came to competitive matches. So how exciting do you think competitive Smash 4 matches will be?

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

On a scale of "cleaning your teeth" to "driving a motorcycle of a cliff", I think about an 8.

 

[Jellyfish4102]

There's no way of knowing at this point but from the gameplay we've seen it looks pretty fast paced.

 

[Aninymouse]

How the heck are we supposed to know?

I know you're bored and there's no Smash news, but... Go for a walk, y'know? A thread like this would be poor discussion even if the game was in our hands. As it is, the earliest point at which you could discuss this would be during E3, on June 10th.

 

[Renji64]

Alot better than brawl that is all we know for now. Watching brawl felt like i was watching balloon fighter so slow and floaty

 

[Gameboi834]

Going by what we've seen the demonstrators do, the potential for pros to master combos/the metagame, and visuals...I can see people getting pretty hyped.

 

[Canuckduck]

It'll be better than Brawl, but probably worse than Melee.


We can't determine how competitive play will be at this point, since the general public has not been able to play the game yet.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

How the heck are we supposed to know?

I know you're bored and there's no Smash news, but... Go for a walk, y'know? A thread like this would be poor discussion even if the game was in our hands. As it is, the earliest point at which you could discuss this would be during E3, on June 10th.

How the heck are we supposed to know a lot of things? The point is to speculate. By analyzing the footage we've seen, how excited will you be by competitive matches? I thought I would just hear people's thoughts on the matter.

 

[The Real Gamer]

some may argue Brawl didn't have as much thrill as Melee when it came to competitive matches.

This might be the understatement of the year.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

This might be the understatement of the year.

I know! I guess I was just trying to sugarcoat it.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

It'll be better than Brawl, but probably worse than Melee.


We can't determine how competitive play will be at this point, since the general public has not been able to play the game yet.

This isn't solely directed at you, but I am often very confused by this perception that "faster" = "more competitive".

Faster certainly lends itself to being more compatible with spectators, but if we're discussing how competitive matches will be I'm not sure why it matters at all how "fast" the game is. Starcraft/League of Legends are slow as balls but are among the most competitive, and as a result; exciting, games in e-sports right now.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I know! I guess I was just trying to sugarcoat it.

Which is understandable.

To answer your question at hand, there's simply no way to know until the game releases. There are far too many question marks in terms of gameplay mechanics, rulesets, and stages.

Based on what we've seen so far though I'm fairly sure that Smash 4 will be a more popular spectator sport than Brawl was.

 

[Canuckduck]

This isn't solely directed at you, but I am often very confused by this perception that "faster" = "more competitive".

Faster certainly lends itself to being more compatible with spectators, but if we're discussing how competitive matches will be I'm not sure why it matters at all how "fast" the game is. Starcraft/League of Legends are slow as balls but are among the most competitive, and as a result; exciting, games in e-sports right now.

Oh certainly. One of the main reasons why I found Brawl's competitive environment to be worse than Melee's is the tripping aspect of it.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Oh certainly. One of the main reasons why I found Brawl's competitive environment to be worse than Melee's is the tripping aspect of it.

Tripping totally sucks, agree.

I guess even with tripping, though, I can find a competitive string with Brawl. It's a different kind of competition, one that's more within the competitors' minds with less to show for it on screen as melee does...which does make it less exciting to watch, but certainly not less competitive for the players. A spectator isn't the person experiencing the "competitive-ness" of a match.

Chess is certainly not fun to watch (for me) in the slightest (for everyone), but again...massively competitive.

 

[Canuckduck]

Tripping totally sucks, agree.

I guess even with tripping, though, I can find a competitive string with Brawl. It's a different kind of competition, one that's more within the competitors' minds with less to show for it on screen as melee does...which does make it less exciting to watch, but certainly not less competitive for the players. A spectator isn't the person experiencing the "competitive-ness" of a match.

Chess is certainly not fun to watch (for me) in the slightest (for everyone), but again...massively competitive.

Hmm, Competitive Chess? I've never heard of that. I'm going to look that up now...

Also, to be a little more specific, I don't hate "tripping" per-say, just random tripping. It's annoying and it creates games that are won via luck rather than pure skill.

 

[mimgrim]

Also, to be a little more specific, I don't hate "tripping" per-say, just random tripping. It's annoying and it creates games that are won via luck rather than pure skill.

Random tripping may be an inconvenience. But it does not have that big of an affect on a game lol.

 

[D-idara]

It'll be better than Brawl, but probably worse than Melee.


We can't determine how competitive play will be at this point, since the general public has not been able to play the game yet.

worse than Melee? I really doubt that, It'll be better than Brawl, Melee, 64 and even Project M. Smash4 wil be the Smash that will define all Smashes to come and outdate ones prior, a true celebration of Nintendo history with simple, but deep gameplay mechanics that make it an absolute delight to play and watch, the Blue Bomber, the Blue Blur and the Legendary Plumber all together, Villager finally playable, and if Ridley turns out to be playable, then that'll be even better.

So no, it won't be worse than Melee, it's already better than Melee and we haven't even played it, with the fast-rolls, I predict exciting, unpredictable competitive matches.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

worse than Melee? I really doubt that, It'll be better than Brawl, Melee, 64 and even Project M. Smash4 wil be the Smash that will define all Smashes to come and outdate ones prior, a true celebration of Nintendo history with simple, but deep gameplay mechanics that make it an absolute delight to play and watch, the Blue Bomber, the Blue Blur and the Legendary Plumber all together, Villager finally playable, and if Ridley turns out to be playable, then that'll be even better.

So no, it won't be worse than Melee, it's already better than Melee and we haven't even played it, with the fast-rolls, I predict exciting, unpredictable competitive matches.

You're forgetting Pac-Man .

To be serious though, I'm with you on the rolling observation. What if they are trying to center movement tech around proper and well timed shield rolling? Essentially, making things like Wavedash obsolete. It removes the tech barrier of wave dashing while keeping that added form of defensive/offensive mobility.

Hmmm...

 

[Renji64]

This isn't solely directed at you, but I am often very confused by this perception that "faster" = "more competitive".

Faster certainly lends itself to being more compatible with spectators, but if we're discussing how competitive matches will be I'm not sure why it matters at all how "fast" the game is. Starcraft/League of Legends are slow as balls but are among the most competitive, and as a result; exciting, games in e-sports right now.

They aren't fighting games a slow defensive balloon fighter type fighting game just isn't thrilling to watch.

 

[Johnny Wellens]

Considering how much work the team has put into balancing both characters and the fighting itself, I'm going to say they're striving for it to be competitive meaning we're in for a treat. But who knows, we'll see when it hits.

 

[JCDied4U]

worse than Melee? I really doubt that, It'll be better than Brawl, Melee, 64 and even Project M. Smash4 wil be the Smash that will define all Smashes to come and outdate ones prior, a true celebration of Nintendo history with simple, but deep gameplay mechanics that make it an absolute delight to play and watch, the Blue Bomber, the Blue Blur and the Legendary Plumber all together, Villager finally playable, and if Ridley turns out to be playable, then that'll be even better.

So no, it won't be worse than Melee, it's already better than Melee and we haven't even played it, with the fast-rolls, I predict exciting, unpredictable competitive matches.

I wouldn't assume, I bet people said stuff like this about Brawl too

 

[Pazzo.]

As exciting as you want them to be......

 

[Aguki90]

Alot better than brawl that is all we know for now. Watching brawl felt like i was watching balloon fighter so slow and floaty

And why Ballon fighters is not playable then?

 

[Aguki90]

worse than Melee? I really doubt that, It'll be better than Brawl, Melee, 64 and even Project M. Smash4 wil be the Smash that will define all Smashes to come and outdate ones prior, a true celebration of Nintendo history with simple, but deep gameplay mechanics that make it an absolute delight to play and watch, the Blue Bomber, the Blue Blur and the Legendary Plumber all together, Villager finally playable, and if Ridley turns out to be playable, then that'll be even better.

So no, it won't be worse than Melee, it's already better than Melee and we haven't even played it, with the fast-rolls, I predict exciting, unpredictable competitive matches.

And SAKURAI is working everyday and making the game much, much balancing the characters and more competitive than melee. this is the most concentrated competitive smash ever made since project M.

The only thing that melee can't die,is own fanbase.

 

[mimgrim]

And SAKURAI is working everyday and making the game much, much balancing the characters and more competitive than melee.

-Citation needed-

 

[Aninymouse]

In this thread: runaway hype.

 

[Johnny Wellens]

THE HYPE IS REAL!

 

[Canuckduck]

And SAKURAI is working everyday and making the game much, much balancing the characters and more competitive than melee. this is the most concentrated competitive smash ever made since project M.

The only thing that melee can't die,is own fanbase.

I'm certain that game balance is not Sakurai's main priority.

 

[Riposte__]

Having the characters move faster is a nice gesture (like a middle finger is a nice gesture) But fun and exciting game play doesn't come from speed and it doesn't come from wave dashing, it comes from exciting combos. We'll see if they take out stun canceling and allow Smash to be fun like s64 and melee.

 

[Morbi]

Somewhere between Brawl and Melee I suspect. Other than that, it depends on the balance of the game. I don't care about how "thrilling" something is. I care about character variety which inadvertently leads to play-style variety. I don't like redundant matches.

 

[D-idara]

Having the characters move faster is a nice gesture (like a middle finger is a nice gesture) But fun and exciting game play doesn't come from speed and it doesn't come from wave dashing, it comes from exciting combos. We'll see if they take out stun canceling and allow Smash to be fun like s64 and melee.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Brawl was plenty of fun too.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

They aren't fighting games a slow defensive balloon fighter type fighting game just isn't thrilling to watch.

I surly hope you'r not speaking for the populace, i found a rather strange interest in watching brawl's competitive scene and watching the struggle to gain the first percent was thrilling to me.

 

[Morbi]

I enjoy watching all Smash; Smash 64, Melee, Brawl, and Project M. I doubt anything will change, Smash 4 will be just as, if not more, exciting to watch.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Somewhere between Brawl and Melee I suspect. Other than that, it depends on the balance of the game. I don't care about how "thrilling" something is. I care about character variety which inadvertently leads to play-style variety. I don't like redundant matches.

I have but of trouble understanding what you mean here.Is here no thrill for you in finding character variety? I don't know what you mean by redundant matches. do you mean like fox vs falco since there both rush down?

 

[Morbi]

I have but of trouble understanding what you mean here.Is here no thrill for you in finding character variety? I don't know what you mean by redundant matches. do you mean like fox vs falco since there both rush down?

Basically, I want the entire roster to be explored. I enjoy Project M a lot because there is so much character variety. I don't like watching the top 3 characters over and over again. I enjoy mirror matches even less. Watching the same characters over and over again is redundant to me.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

I have but of trouble understanding what you mean here.Is here no thrill for you in finding character variety? I don't know what you mean by redundant matches. do you mean like fox vs falco since there both rush down?

He's saying he doesn't like seeing Fox vs Falco 340923092374023723842307 times in the same tournament.

EDIT : Doh, ninja'd.

 

[Morbi]

He's saying he doesn't like seeing Fox vs Falco 340923092374023723842307 times in the same tournament.

EDIT : Doh, ninja'd.

This.

Although Fox vs Falco is a godsend compared to Fox vs Fox the entire tournament. Luckily that never really happens. It is more of a problem in Brawl because Meta Knight is more dominant than Fox could ever hope to be.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Basically, I want the entire roster to be explored. I enjoy Project M a lot because there is so much character variety. I don't like watching the top 3 characters over and over again. I enjoy mirror matches even less. Watching the same characters over and over again is redundant to me.

Ah okay than i agree mirror matches are less entertaining. And that is a reoccurring problem in smash tourney's and in every competitive scene.
64 was just pikachu's every where.
melee was the same 7 over and over
and brawl was just MK, IC, and olimar.
Project M even annoy's me at times with how much i see fox and falco. I wana see some final matches with bowser or roy or something.

 

[Riposte__]

Sorry to burst your bubble, Brawl was plenty of fun too.

In your head and the heads of the minority. Every measurable statistic Melee and P:M destroys Brawl. Twitch viewers, tournament attendees, Prize money. Make up any measurable stat you want, and brawl comes in dead last.

 

[Morbi]

In your head and the heads of the minority. Every measurable statistic Melee and P:M destroys Brawl. Twitch viewers, tournament attendees, Prize money. Make up any measurable stat you want, and brawl comes in dead last.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything objectively though.