How do you guys recover?

[KingBlue]

I've recently picked up Mart, and I've been getting used to his moves, combos, juggling, but the one thing I have the most trouble with is recovering.

Whenever I recover, no matter what, the opponent always manages to hit me before I grab the edge. NO MATTER WHAT.

I need serious help, or I need to learn how to not get hit off the edge XD

 

[OverLord]

You have to wait and see what your opponent is doing before choosing the best way to recover.
I assume you're always recovering with the same pattern and your opponent is just abusing this.

 

[Blarg I'm Dead]

You're being really vague. How does your opponent always hit you before grabbing the edge? Gimping, projectiles, what?

Always sweetspot the edge. ALWAYS.
You can use sideB to stall in the air to mix up your falling speed. I assume you already use this to get some horizontal distance back to the stage...

 

[SnakeMan]

Really tbh, marths recovery is pretty linear/predictable. You can recover low, in which case u should always sweetspot ( unless u see them edgehogging in which case u need to up-b early to land onstage), or recovrr high by side-b-ing and airdodge (or upb) to stage.

Basically u can either sweetspot or land onstage, those are the only two options( obviiously) u just need to watch the opponent and figure out what they think You will do and do the opposite.

So, yeah marths recovery isnt that mix-up-able, but always do ur sideb's FIRST and then the dubjump. You get more manuverability that way.

 

[knightpraetor]

most important is learning not how marth recovers, but how your opponent edgeguards you.

but before that you have to have decent DI so that you are left with options..if you're a mile away from the stage nothing is going to save you.

assuming decent DI..assuming you don't hover for no reason and only use it in response to things your opponent does that make it necessary for you to hover....

and assuming that this isn't one of those gay matchups where they light shield edgehog you (though you should eventually learn how to mix in angled up b and linear early up b into fall to the ledge so that it isn't too easy for them)

then you should learn first how to make them get off the ledge or get up B stage spiked...

assuming your opponents are intelligent they will then start getting off the ledge at times, now learn the spacing to up B such that you are not sweetspotting but have faded out enough that moves (such as fox's bair on) don't hit you and that you instantly fall and grab the ledge the moment they get off of it.

If you're just sweetspotting or going high you are going to get wrecked..need at least 3 -4 options..throw in falling from an up b to the ledge and angled up B's early...and airdodges both past them on stage and up right before the ledge..then you have a few options and won't get killed every second....

i hate how people are making it sound like marth can't recover...most matchups aren't like that for marth (except sheik....)...i seem to remember pp saying that he felt like trying to edgeguard marth was just waiting for the marth to mess up most of the time (in falco marth...though that's strictly speaking not true.....there are a lot of risky things falco can do to edgeguard marth..but if marth knows the counters then falco will die over half the time..which is why pp hasn't been going for those ever since that one tournament he lost from risking it).

so don't mess up

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

There are three really important recovery tools Marth has that you need to be able to take advantage of in order to recover well.

1. Spotdodge
2. Horizontally angled up-b (input up-b then immediately jam the control stick towards the stage, you should travel farther horizontally. difference should be noticable)
3. Side-B timing mixups (this gives the most amount of flexibility and has the largest room for creativity and timing mixups, mew2king is really really good at these so pay attention to how he recovers. you can try different things on your own to see what works and what doesn't, side-b is nice because it can do funny things to your momentum)

And of course, good DI

 

[Beat!]

"Spot dodge" should be "air dodge", right? =)

 

[the_CAM_factor]

i find saving your jump against floaties works really well

 

[Fregadero]

I always save my jump except for mind games. But its not really much of a mind game b/c they can react to you using it.

When I jump first I feel like I have less options. Because I have less options.

 

[S0FT]

When someone keeps hitting you just drop down really low and sweet spot the ledge, if they try to edge hog you then do this:

When someone is edge hogging a marth they are waiting for him to side b a lot, burn his jump, and then side b one more time underneath them at sweet spot range then up b. Usually they start rolling from the ledge right after the side b underneath them. If you do not side b at all on the way back but use your jump instead when you get into that position you no longer only have the up b option they are used but also an additional side b you can use to stall until they finish the roll and then you are able to up and sweet spot the ledge. If for some reason the start waiting on the ledge for you to do both side bs then you can up b after the first one and hit them.

If they start trying to light shield edge hog then you can just up b onto the stage from below.

Just like on stage play, edge guarding and recover comes down to reads, a lot of people actually make it really easy to read the edge guard they are about to do and for pretty much any edge guard there is always a counter. So you have to understand your options and how to react to their edge guards.

Also something to keep in mind is that if you recover to the stage the same way every time you become easy to read as well.