How did Vinnie airdodge + jump out of a needle charge?

[HoSmash4]

Dabuz

vs CaptainZack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DaDETwgOFM 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOYzTZ7MQEk&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZULFrTPJX5I&t=36s
vs Salem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNE1fgpxc-8 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBh9Mx8UHzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecV1k1KgHSE
vs JK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnPvMDYOEAc
vs PinkFresh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPCoaSgjR2g&t=469s



vs Fatality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goL96Xjmajw&t=170s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHx_F_LxVyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6-D3dbn2RQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ilq9Mp4cv4 1



vs Mr.R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WIxkCwD_RU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8obIHdjqFyE
vs Mr.E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaSFUsqaotQ 1
vs MKLeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPNpghFb7CI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNo_2gYraWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l2EG3QEQ5A
vs Komorikiri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA2PkmSEvOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2pexx1jpBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJFdUizWs8s&t=406s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNhd6kzFPOY
vs Anti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWMbOp4hItE


vs Frozen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MazhHdLk83A 1
vs Ryuga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_5p3_Ui4kw&t=4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qj_dTzaI8
vs Cosmos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nhIuqktH98



vs JJRockets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBJhItIewpQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCoJ3mK4tGM
vs MVD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5K6KJDFwxY 1
vs Zinoto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxOe0iRbXcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Vg_ecJNsM 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHPOTHDGEEk 1
vs Zero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW4tTCCK4U8&t=454s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta-TiLILX3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tqgfTTPKb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APyxrpwPqd4
vs Dill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3bCLTtywM4 1
vs AngelCortes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZopqfySYNJI
vs Dyr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEO1mQEIVhg



vs Raito
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZKgp7MpyG4


vs Nakat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KlVMt7Aj3U 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXm_kK8IsFM
vs Light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNiYDNPFFDs 1
vs Larry Lurr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8dvp4coOxk


vs Eddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCFAOPvpVCY 1





vs T
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJt9AYsM3ks&t=2s

vs Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQCgJEqv84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adMA_9o8Lg8
vs Daimy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNqsCQJjkXY

vs Pk blueberry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz3v3cuQmCI 1

vs Mr.E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hkp8eiY6pc 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzqnoaqIZLw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8GXvBRHvQY
vs John Numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLv4NeydOg 1
vs EvilGoku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxe3wTVpN1Y

vs Elegant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKB6KQeTpMo 1

vs Anti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa5RfJWTnGM&t=70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZrTFEbowDM
vs Ally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBhf_j96-TE 1



vs Kameme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm2NyMVHvPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCc2SZNqs9M
vs Scatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm9P91QPmLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it9i4gRmSzA

vs MKLeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdVcY7UU6g
vs Abadango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa2f2IL7Us8 1

vs Schligger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeXa3T6yF6E 1



vs Shuton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn5xAIKxB8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmMSiRFaL4I

vs Zage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRNbACZpiEI&t=209s


vs Samsora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5HJau-0teY 1
vs LingLing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIlOwdxmrdc 1

vs Esam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ8bBDzmXik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSmz8_YHjqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGE-8QprlOw
vs Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajtGB2P1NU8

vs Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxCsMfdk-BM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvDAjAge5Cw



vs Kirihara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDGAsOipb8&t=2s 1
vs Neos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFtFByRruYY


vs Trela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIEfXeVZWDk
vs Darkshad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kJ4MvvV48E

vs Icymist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Undp1rd2A

vs Void
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0xf_NYuSdY&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_6DF7A_ubw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI0RlFxpnX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cxRM8K4OwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrwwnec__g
vs Karna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ys4XE9TH8Y
vs Vinnie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNgY_uWWun8
vs Mr.R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgmqhSRH1E0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCx8h1CGsL8&t=4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fquQbmFQ4YM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qkP4wAjux0
vs Nietono
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38-7NEsRO98
vsBedgar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ3L48wxgi4


vs Random Sonic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3jnpH_OJ9Q
vs Ken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-36xTbyXSI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B58MwvdezLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f21j-UycH3o&t=126s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLsVp5aW0ms
vs Sonido
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSVJbhSErxs
vs 6WX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g11KT_q5mnU
vs Camalange
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ckXutuWwIE 1
vs SGK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOn3pH8kfuU

vs Sigma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NORhYXM05tM
vs Jash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VhZaxQlcvE

vs Aarvark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzSvQ3N9N9k
vs Pocafeiner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6wnloU0cUg 1
vs MJG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ln7Djoskls
vs Ranai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXMKyNRypwk

vs Waymas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7mggErFuQ
vs Glutonny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9wHo6sv9Zs&t=572s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBWEXuDiPrA&t=682s


vs Kamikaze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVGxtdyJdTA
vs Raptor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J491z-T5mJQ 1


vs Nairo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6JOo8B9-tY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CloIwrfALwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRLgaFgZoFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vbw4WNYrS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6OhaG-CnCY
vs Marss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUZeel4Jtdw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyNpTMz1c3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWx0el2bCLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O_2j8e956g
vs Anti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL_c_vIWP-I 1

 

[ArikadoSD]

I'm assuming its the same concept as cancelling aerial needle charge into any special, except it can be done with jump (something I didn't know/realize).

While in the air, charge needles, airdodge, then after a few frames do any special; usually another needle charge, bouncing fish, or vanish. I guess you can also jump instead of doing specials.

 

[smashPony]

Ok i figured this one out, he didnt cancel his needles at all. Vinnie had 5 needles charged prior to doing a full jump + needles. He was able to jump/airdodge because he had fully charged his needles. You can see a couple seconds later he accidentally short hops and throws his fully charged needles into the ground. Unfortunately.. no new tech for us.

 

[Simikins]

No new tech, but we can use this. If you charge 5 needles then stop the cancel, you can b-reverse offstage into an aerial.

 

[MetaBhreat]

I knew what it was going to be without having to watch the video.
Although it seems we already figured it out. Interesting point though @ Simikins , that may be worth some lab time.


I'm on it

 

[Simikins]

Fair > Charge needles > DJump > Bair could be interesting. Bair does have more kill power does it not?

 

[Danimal197]

I knew what it was going to be without having to watch the video.
Although it seems we already figured it out. Interesting point though @ Simikins , that may be worth some lab time.


I'm on it

updates pls. and gif if possible.