How about Knuckles?

[Hawk Flindaeton]

I think Knuckles would be a great addition! He may not be fast, but he's strong! What do you guys think?

 

[8-peacock-8]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=324331

 

[Robert of Normandy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08

Too easy.

 

[Gene]

EMEROWDS

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Master Hand is more than enough knuckle for smash

 

[TheAwesomefroggy]

Absolutely; i'd say he'd be one of the top tier characters.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=324331

Technically, there that is a Sonic 2nd Rep thread. However, this is a Knuckle exclusive thread. I would say it's valid since we have both a Fire Emblem thread as well as individual threads for certain FE character even though they are still discussed at length in the FE thread.

So, while it pains me, I think this is a legit thread.

However, advice for the original poster, try beefing up the main original posts with pictures, information, move sets, and anything else that pertains to Knuckles. Otherwise, your thread may be up for deletion. Look through the Character Directory sticky or the Character discussion front page to an idea on what a professional OP should look like.

As for Knuckles, I am absolutely 100% against a 2nd Sonic rep; regardless if it's Knuckles or Tails. However, Knuckles would be pretty interesting to play as. I still don't want to see him playable.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

This thread's primary post is really lacking any good detail. Unless the thread creator updates it, someone else can always make a better Knuckles discussion thread.

 

[Zekersaurus]

I think Knuckles would be a great addition! He may not be fast, but he's strong! What do you guys think?

Since when is knuckles when is knuckles not fast?... and Knuckles is awesome. Can anyone give a good reason for him not to be in the game other than the fact that he's not a Nintendo character, we already have one Sonic rep, He's not going to be in the game so it's not worth talking about, or "I don't want knuckles to be in the game"?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Can anyone give a good reason for him not to be in the game other than the fact that he's not a Nintendo character, we already have one Sonic rep, He's not going to be in the game so it's not worth talking about, or "I don't want knuckles to be in the game"?

Tails has priority. If Sonic got a second rep it would go to Tails, then Knuckles.

 

[Deleted member]

Exactly. We can't have Knuckles until Tails shows up.

 

[SmashShadow]

Tails has priority. If Sonic got a second rep it would go to Tails, then Knuckles.

One could argue the same about Shadow and Eggman as well. In all honesty it's about a 4-way tie for 2nd place.

 

[Deleted member]

3-way tie.
Knuckles without Tails would be strange. However, Shadow and Eggman don't need Tails before them.

 

[Zekersaurus]

Tails has priority. If Sonic got a second rep it would go to Tails, then Knuckles.

I actually think it's pretty even. Tails is only more popular because he came out 1st and has been in more games but he is still a side kick. Knuckles is more independent and would just make more sense as a fighter over tails Edit:but I think if you had one without the other people would rage out of control.

You gotta have both or none IMO.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I actually think it's pretty even. Tails is only more popular because he came out 1st and has been in more games but he is still a side kick. Knuckles is more independent and would just make more sense as a fighter over tails but who says we can't have both?

As you said Tails is more popular, came out first and is the side kick.

Independence doesn't warrant inclusion.

And I would main them both if they made it in. :D

 

[SmashShadow]

Although he might see Knuckles as more of a fighter or want implement a whole rivalry aspect(although the same could be said for Shadow).

 

[Deleted member]

I REALLY hate the "more sense as a fighter" bull that I always hear in favor of Knuckles.
Is that really a legitimate point, considering Tails has fought multiple times before?

As for the "sidekick" thing, that actually works more in Tails' favor, considering he's usually by Sonic's side in games, even in ones that he doesn't have a playable role like in the recent Colors and Generations. When was the last time Knuckles had a major role, or at least one on par with Tails' current roles? Arguably Sonic Adventure 2. Ever since then, Knuckles typically only has the purpose of "completing" the team of 3 with very little importance otherwise.

 

[TheCreator]

How about this guys:
Sonic won't get another rep.

 

[3Bismyname]

How about this guys:
Sonic won't get another rep.

best choice.

 

[Deleted member]

How about this guys:
Sonic might not get another rep.

Fixed for accuracy. There is nothing that states Sonic or Metal Gear are absolutely exempt from getting another character. With that in mind, it cannot be claimed for sure that they won't get another character, nor can it be claimed for sure that they will.

It's fair game.

 

[Wonks]

Hmmm, well, unlike Sonic, he doesn't chuckle.

I'd be all for Knuckles, but honestly, I'd much rather see Tails. It would be better suited for a classic match in Mario & Luigi vs Sonic & Tails.

I would doubt either Knux or Miles would appear though.

 

[Gene]

I miss sonic adventure 1+2 Knuckles(and his voice actor). He was my 2nd favorite sonic character back when I had Sonic & Knuckles growing up. Then he turned to **** after adventure 2.


But do I want him for smash 4? I would pick Tails first if a second rep was necessary. If people want to play both in a smash game I'd suggest playing SSB Crusade, it's got 4 sonic characters in it. I wish the 0.9 version that I've played at Apex would release soon. I was very impressed with the new update, and I used the bash the game because I thought it still looked like the first version of it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'd like if Knuckles and Metal Sonic were added

 

[Zekersaurus]

I REALLY hate the "more sense as a fighter" bull that I always hear in favor of Knuckles.
Is that really a legitimate point, considering Tails has fought multiple times before?

As for the "sidekick" thing, that actually works more in Tails' favor, considering he's usually by Sonic's side in games, even in ones that he doesn't have a playable role like in the recent Colors and Generations. When was the last time Knuckles had a major role, or at least one on par with Tails' current roles? Arguably Sonic Adventure 2. Ever since then, Knuckles typically only has the purpose of "completing" the team of 3 with very little importance otherwise.

When has tails had a major role ever? Sidekick that bares little significance on the story... just sayin...

Knuckles, on the other hand, rivalry, Emeralds, and his own game. He is a more independent and deeper character. Not saying one is more important than the other. That's certainly not the case but tails is a sidekick. If it came down to knuckles or tails I would say that it would make more sense for tails to be in the game as an assist trophy or a cameo or some other type of non-player character that helps sonic or the player because that's what tails does, he helps.

He doesn't have some all important duty or seek to prove he is stronger that anyone else. He a character that's there when he is needed. Knuckles being a fighter has nothing to do with my view point. We got characters like Peach and G&W ffs.

Now, you might be thinking "Everything I've stated bares no significance on a knuckles being in the game" and 9/10 you're probably right but think. Ridley was was a boss in Brawl, yet soooo many people wanted him to be playable. Instead we have ROB on the roster. WTF?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

When has tails had a major role ever? Sidekick that bares little significance on the story... just sayin...

Knuckles, on the other hand, rivalry, Emeralds, and his own game. He is a more independent and deeper character. Not saying one is more important than the other. That's certainly not the case but tails is a sidekick. If it came down to knuckles or tails I would say that it would make more sense for tails to be in the game as an assist trophy or a cameo or some other type of non-player character that helps sonic or the player because that's what tails does, he helps.

He doesn't have some all important duty or seek to prove he is stronger that anyone else. He a character that's there when he is needed. Knuckles being a fighter has nothing to do with my view point. We got characters like Peach and G&W ffs.

Now, you might be thinking "Everything I've stated bares no significance on a knuckles being in the game" and 9/10 you're probably right but think. Ridley was was a boss in Brawl, yet soooo many people wanted him to be playable. Instead we have ROB on the roster. WTF?

Sidekick is actually more important as a whole. Look at it this way. Luigi is more important than Wario. He got in a lot faster too. Sidekick is almost as important as the main hero/villain. Also Tails has gotten his own games. 2 in fact. More than Knucles eh?


Tails is immensely important to the plot! Who does Sonic always get help from? Who always helps Sonic save the day? Who always tries to help people? Who always plays the peacemaker?

It's not Knuckles.

It's Tails.

Why does he do this? Because it's the right thing to do. If that's not duty, responsibility and a drive to better one's self, then I don't know what is. Tails and Knuckles both have these qualities. They just show it in different ways. Knuckles isn't special in that regard.


Then again almost everything we saw has no significance.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Knuckles is cooler

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Source?

 

[Deleted member]

When has tails had a major role ever? Sidekick that bares little significance on the story... just sayin...

And Knuckles has been better? Seriously, your logic confuses me. The only times Knuckles ever appears nowadays is if the whole cast shows up or if they need to complete the team of three. Heck, even in Generations, Knuckles is just someone you save. Tails and Classic Tails help the Sonics out. Classic Knuckles is nowhere to be seen.
Sonic 4, Knuckles is nowhere to be seen. Tails plays a tag-team role in Episode 2 (and helped Sonic behind the scenes in Episode 1). Hell, METAL SONIC has his own Episode where he's playable.

Knuckles, on the other hand, rivalry, Emeralds, and his own game. He is a more independent and deeper character. Not saying one is more important than the other. That's certainly not the case but tails is a sidekick. If it came down to knuckles or tails I would say that it would make more sense for tails to be in the game as an assist trophy or a cameo or some other type of non-player character that helps sonic or the player because that's what tails does, he helps.

Yes, his own non-canon game. If having his own game was enough, then Tails definitely is above Knuckles since, well, he's had TWO. Or have you not heard of Tails Sky Patrol and Tails' Adventure?
As for "sidekick" Knuckles is the same thing. But less.
ALSO, if rivalry and having a game is so important, then I guess Shadow needs to get in before anyone else. He's currently Sonic's biggest rival and had his own plot-relevant game.

He doesn't have some all important duty or seek to prove he is stronger that anyone else. He a character that's there when he is needed. Knuckles being a fighter has nothing to do with my view point. We got characters like Peach and G&W ffs.

Seeking to prove their strength/identity is Shadow's schtick, not Knuckles'. And, Shadow currently has an all-important duty in, let me think, protecting mankind. So by this logic, Shadow DEFINITELY needs to get in before Tails or Knuckles. (Which works out for me, since I'd rather see Shadow anyway. )

Now, you might be thinking "Everything I've stated bares no significance on a knuckles being in the game" and 9/10 you're probably right but think. Ridley was was a boss in Brawl, yet soooo many people wanted him to be playable. Instead we have ROB on the roster. WTF?

This is horribly irrelevant and downright idiotic. R.O.B. being in the game has no bearing on Ridley not being in the game whatsoever. Even if it did, it would actually be AGAINST your arguments, given that R.O.B., a "helper" character/peripheral, got in before Ridley, a "fighter". So what was that about Tails being a helper meaning that Knuckles makes more sense for being a fighter, again?
So yeah, damn right everything you said has no significance on Knuckles being in the game. 10/10, not 9/10.


That being said, I'm not against Knuckles, nor do I dislike him. However, I really get upset when people try to use bs excuses for why he is the better option for Smash, since it always boils down to "HURR he can fight DURR" while completely ignoring/undermining Tails' merits.

EDIT: Also, being a sidekick helper didn't stop a certain green palette swap plumber....JSYK.

 

[FalKoopa]

As far as i've seen. Usually sidekicks get in before the rivals/villians, provided they are notable enough.
For example:
1. Luigi got in before Bowser & Wario.
2.Falco got in before Wolf

And in this case, yes, Tails is more iconic to the series than Knuckles.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Because the thread creator failed to give the primary post good detail, this thread will be locked.

If anyone wants to discuss Knuckles, I'd suggest recreating this thread and making it well detailed, or just go to the following thread link.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=324331