Help with Ike's DACUS

[WhinoTheRhino]

Hi guys. I'm having some trouble getting Ike's DACUS to work, because I have changed my controls to X = Grab, and Z = Jump (I also have tap jump turned off but that is unrelated). I really don't want to change my controls back, as I prefer the controls I am using now. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to DACUS with my controls? Thanks.

 

[FoxBlaze71]

I think it's possible with the A button, but I'm not 100% on that.

 

[Y-L]

Set a shoulder button to attack and it'll be incredibly easy.

 

[Bryonato]

^
I personally have R set to attack for DACUS/rising aerials with Ness

 

[metroid1117]

Hi guys. I'm having some trouble getting Ike's DACUS to work, because I have changed my controls to X = Grab, and Z = Jump (I also have tap jump turned off but that is unrelated). I really don't want to change my controls back, as I prefer the controls I am using now. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to DACUS with my controls? Thanks.

What inputs are you currently doing? I claw the DACUS, meaning I use my right thumb for the C-stick and my index finger for A when inputting the USmash.

 

[WhinoTheRhino]

Thanks for the replies guys! I don't play claw, so unfortunately that method wouldn't work for me. Currently I have no way of doing it. I was experimenting to see if can I use the A button instead of the C-stick flick and then slide my thumb over to the X button (my grab button) in order to DACUS, but I don't believe that works. Setting a shoulder button to Attack is a good idea, except I shield and L-cancel with L and wavedash with R... There doesn't seem to be a good way for me to DACUS without changing the way I input buttons

 

[metroid1117]

Thanks for the replies guys! I don't play claw, so unfortunately that method wouldn't work for me. Currently I have no way of doing it. I was experimenting to see if can I use the A button instead of the C-stick flick and then slide my thumb over to the X button (my grab button) in order to DACUS, but I don't believe that works. Setting a shoulder button to Attack is a good idea, except I shield and L-cancel with L and wavedash with R... There doesn't seem to be a good way for me to DACUS without changing the way I input buttons

You wouldn't have to claw all of the time, you'd just have to claw when you DACUS; as per the hand cam in this video, I just shift back to playing regularly when I don't plan on DACUS'ing. It does take some getting used to, but since DACUS is an extremely potent option, I'd highly recommend incorporating it into your game.

 

[Bryonato]

I also claw for specific situations. Not with dacus, just sometimes.
I claw for mag -> jc usmash for example with ness

 

[Commander]

Why wouldn't you do it with z set to grab? Default controls 5ever

 

[FoxBlaze71]

If you can't get a handle on DACUS, QD>JC U-smash basically does the same thing.

 

[Bryonato]

Z DACUS does not work with every DACUS. For example, you can't DACUS with Wolf using Z

 

[metroid1117]

IIRC, Ike's jumpsquat is slow enough (frame 5) that you can DACUS with up+Z but you only have a 1 frame window. DACUS'ing with up+A grants you a 2 frame window.

If you can't get a handle on DACUS, QD>JC U-smash basically does the same thing.

This is true, but QD -> JC USmash might go too far and it's slower than DACUS, so it's unlikely that you can ever true combo into it outside of DAir (spike) -> QD -> JC USmash.

 

[FoxBlaze71]

In what situations what you use DACUS to do a true combo? I don't think I've ever tried it outside of punishing on-stage recoveries and tech chasing.

 

[Y-L]

I like to do D throw->DACUS if I noticed they DI right. It can be a good tech chase.

 

[metroid1117]

In what situations what you use DACUS to do a true combo? I don't think I've ever tried it outside of punishing on-stage recoveries and tech chasing.

Like Y-L said, DThrow -> DACUS can be a true combo on floaties depending on DI, even at high %s. If they DI in on FThrow or BThrow it's possible to land a DACUS, as well as out of UThrow on spacies. Reverse NAir -> DACUS is also a true combo with no DI around 75% on some characters (IIRC it's around 80% for TL), and you can also NAir -> DACUS depending on DI. Key disclaimer for most of those things is "depending on DI" though, so it either requires a hard read on their DI, quick reactions, or purely YOLO'ing. On Fountain, you can either NAir or throw opponents onto low platforms and then DACUS to cover all four of their tech options (missed tech, standing tech, and both rolling techs), basically making it guaranteed when timed properly.

 

[FoxBlaze71]

Interesting. I'll have to utilize those more if I know my opponent's going to be stupid with their DI.

That said, it seems like a lot of Ike's stuff is DI dependent, so more often than not I am YOLOing everything, haha.

 

[WhinoTheRhino]

Oh, clawing only for DACUS makes sense. Thanks metroid! Now I don't have to change controls, haha.

I also claw for specific situations. Not with dacus, just sometimes.
I claw for mag -> jc usmash for example with ness

Why wouldn't you do it with z set to grab? Default controls 5ever

In response to you guys, I switched my Z and X buttons because I jump cancel quickdraw with Z. For example, Bryonato, if you had my controls, you could just press Z and then up on the C-stick for a JC upsmash, instead of clawing it. I'm not saying my controls are better or anything, I'm just offering some reasoning into why I have the controls that I have. Thanks for the comments!