Help with DeDeDe

[HoodedAltair]

By far, King DeDeDe is the most infuriating matchup for me to face as a Falcon main. I find myself in a mix of controlling the stage and then losing it to guros (spiky ball things?). Sometime I can punch them back with Nair but I need something more consistent. He's big, strong, and has fast moves. When he down tilts, I have no clue how to get out of the second downtilt and punish.

Any tips on how to play against DeDeDe or how to punish?

 

[Trioxin]

Running grab is your friend. As Falcon, you have the speed advantage. You'll need to get in with that grab, up throw or down throw, and start some combos. DeDeDe's tilt game is very strong so you'll have to mix things up to not get too predictable, but if you can keep him in a combo you'll be set. His smashes leave him wide open if he misses, as does his dash. If he misses with the laggy moves, you HAVE to pounce. Use that speed.

Secondly, all gordo tosses can be knocked back with just a jab. Just tap A and you'll send it flying back.

 

[HoodedAltair]

Oh, I thought you'd need more hits to send a gordo back. I didn't realize one tap would do the trick.

I need to return those and do a better job of not getting ledge guarded into down smashes. Thanks for the tips mate!

 

[Trioxin]

Oh, I thought you'd need more hits to send a gordo back. I didn't realize one tap would do the trick.

I need to return those and do a better job of not getting ledge guarded into down smashes. Thanks for the tips mate!

No problem!

Yeah the gordos got nerfed in the balance patch. It's even easier to knock them back now. Any attack that does 2% damage or more will knock it back.

 

[BigLord]

Oooooh I didn't know that! I always use f-tilt to send them back! This is lousy for DeDeDe, but great for us.

As for the match-up, don't forget f-throw -> dash attack, too! Specially on low percentages.

 

[HoodedAltair]

Oh didn't know that one. That a heavy fighter true combo? Then it sets up for Uair combo

 

[BigLord]

IIRC, it's an almost-every-character pseudo-combo. Very useful! And yes, sets up for Uair combo easily.

 

[Fauni]

One thing I tend to avoid in this match is going above him as his uair beats out pretty much anything falcon can do

 

[Patrick Ray]

Falcon Kick those things and they will rocket back at him. Plus DeDeDe is slow and offline I think he's terrible. Way to predictable. People abuse using him online because with the small lag they can pull things off that they would not be doing locally.

 

[BigLord]

I wouldn't Falcon Kick the Gordos, it's unsafe... whiff them and you'll be standing right in front of DeDeDe, ready for an F-smash to the face.

I'd just f-tilt or jab them if I were you.

 

[Trioxin]

Falcon Kick those things and they will rocket back at him. Plus DeDeDe is slow and offline I think he's terrible. Way to predictable. People abuse using him online because with the small lag they can pull things off that they would not be doing locally.

Yeah, if you were throwing that out often, you'd get punished pretty hard. I'd have to test out which moves would be best to punish it, but depending on the distance, it could lead to nasty damage/taking a stock.

An FYI, in case you all were not aware: Even if you reflect it back at us, we can catch it and throw it back by jabbing or pressing side b again. This is something that is regularly overlooked.

DeDeDe is far from terrible. He is a very solid character. Not as solid as Falcon, I'd say, but still very scary in the right hands, simply because of the pure damage and early KO potential against a good portion of the cast. If you have projectiles and/or combos, you can shut him down pretty hard, but one slip up and you can end up off the stage, where DeDeDe can chase with fair and bair excellently.