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Help vs Falcon? lol
- Thread starter Dark Hart
- Start date
Kanelol
Smash Lord
I'll offer the little bit of advice I can
-Edge guarding is a little weak at times
-****ed up a few chain grabs
-Dair more against Falcon
-I saw you throw out a lot of random nairs for no reason when you weren't even close. I kinda have this bad habit too, where I just shine nair anytime I'm not approaching an enemy. I usually get punished for it :[
-3:43 when you teched in place you should've gotten kneed to ****ing hell
-4:15 I thought waveshining for shield pressure only worked for Zelda, idk
-4:25 was that b-throw just an accident or what
-In all honesty it looked like you were just blindly attacking at times
-6:15 side-b was pretty ballsy there
-It's really not worth mentioning the wallshining you messed up, but I'll do it anyway
On the good side. Your movement is really cute, those platform wavelands made me giggle. Tech skill is really solid. Saw a few really cute combos. ****'s pretty solid. A minor disclaimer, I'm not good at all so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
-Edge guarding is a little weak at times
-****ed up a few chain grabs
-Dair more against Falcon
-I saw you throw out a lot of random nairs for no reason when you weren't even close. I kinda have this bad habit too, where I just shine nair anytime I'm not approaching an enemy. I usually get punished for it :[
-3:43 when you teched in place you should've gotten kneed to ****ing hell
-4:15 I thought waveshining for shield pressure only worked for Zelda, idk
-4:25 was that b-throw just an accident or what
-In all honesty it looked like you were just blindly attacking at times
-6:15 side-b was pretty ballsy there
-It's really not worth mentioning the wallshining you messed up, but I'll do it anyway
On the good side. Your movement is really cute, those platform wavelands made me giggle. Tech skill is really solid. Saw a few really cute combos. ****'s pretty solid. A minor disclaimer, I'm not good at all so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
waveshine shield pressure isnt even legit against zelda, she can wd out with good timing.
the falcon couldve shieldgrabbed or stomped oos against that.
the falcon couldve shieldgrabbed or stomped oos against that.
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
SH at him and shine really pisses Falcons/Marths off lol <3
Waveshine>Waveshine/grab
All of your aerials beat him.
Don't approach Falcon, shoot some lazorz, wait for him.
Shinegrabs
Waveshine>Waveshine/grab
All of your aerials beat him.
Don't approach Falcon, shoot some lazorz, wait for him.
Shinegrabs
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
hey... I like my waveshines...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjeIlBAIGM
'nuff said.
edit: actually. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWPBNJ_FG6Q&feature=related
'nuff said.
edit: actually. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWPBNJ_FG6Q&feature=related
Bets
Smash Journeyman
u need to nair the **** out of that falcon. when he's shielding, he's scared. he won't leave his shield. so just run up and grab him. also, u need to react faster when you're guarding the ledge falcon with bair. i guess your ground game is alright but u both ****ed up a lot of approaches
SOLAR
Smash Ace
Upthrow to uptilt, to grab, usmash, or another utilt depending on DI.
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Utilt all day. Falcons love to Dair OoS so watchout for that. If you space your attacks he can't do **** to you (especially when in shield) The Falcon will be forced to roll or evade until he gets to a neutral position.
Freestylin
Smash Apprentice
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yo at least do it then, instead of just criticizing the guy, cuz u dindnt give any advice at ALL
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
no, Foxlisk didn't give me any advice
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
And you did? LMAO.
Falcon style
retreats on the opening takes center.
center stage nair on platform. waits. fox fulll jumping, non-theatening falcon out of space though, throws up air throws nair. retreating (kinda scared??)
eats fair
58% (how could you have extended the damage, or gotten a kill???
Falcon tries to get back to the ground (feels restricted on platform with fox in good position)
:12 neither player sees each other.
falcon reclaims the ground back air. . .
realizes he's in a bad position LOL takes center.
Falcon is anxious, NEEDS TO GET A HIT.
throws over b
fox is lenient.
Falcon does not tech chase first throw
misses nair tech chase (doesn't realize??
loses to his own recover, fox is lenient (READ
7:19 AM 12/16/20105e3w3EDGE HOG
bad edge guarding (needs invinc. knee)
(inside falcons mind: Im so bad, i hope the fox player doesnt realize this and beat me senselessly)
more bad edge guards by falcon
random dash dancing gets punished. stomp to get up attack??
falcon makes you uncomfortable (your up b was out of position for the edge anyway though)
bair vs n at the edge, goooooood trade. *steals*
nooby ASAP edge hop dair
1fox 2 falcon
waveshine like that can be grabbed on reaction.
falcon DD forward b over DD grab??
STADIUM.
nair grab you get the cc next time. shine to error
definitely dont get stomped. EVER.
if this translates to dont get hit to you thenyou've got the right idea.
waveshine can be grabbed, but if it forces your opponent to roll then by all means. . . Should try and master JC throw a couple mix ups in there at least. shffl nairs obviously for mix but ALSO bairs and even up airs.
In my opinion, falcons worst position is his shield
2.0% 3.81
forward down throw > no tech chase again here. doesnt know how to tech chase on platforms with dair.
dair is falcons best move in this match > discuss
I saw you try to turn jc smash, you can get that down for sure.
FSMASH ON SHIELD IS SO BAD unless its spaced, but spaced f tilt is still better (fox's f smash just . . .propably opt for bair, this was said earlier and I think is a universal. Is there ever a time where f smash is worth it??
good shine spike, looks like you kinda hesitated mid air but caught it just in time.
I could literally feel the tension!
tie game f throw
you lose???? you lose to f throw??
over b ground tech.
picture this:
shine drill shine cross turn grab?? up tilt?? nix the grab- lets just shine him to the other side has hard as possible.
assuming the waveshine combo is completed to the other side with mild interference from DI/error/Shy Guy Lag.
(now that i finished typing I'm 2:00 in)
nair grab nair up smash. anything but shine. UNLESs They CC (this nair is SO crouchable)
I paused this time.
this section is supposed to be about the falcon tho.
DIs up air to the top platform. evades teching,
this dude opens nasty vs. drpp here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgVjVlKrGLk&NR=1
PP comes back, intercepts a jump with a shine and next time faclon gets to play its his 2nd stock in.
retreats on the opening takes center.
center stage nair on platform. waits. fox fulll jumping, non-theatening falcon out of space though, throws up air throws nair. retreating (kinda scared??)
eats fair
58% (how could you have extended the damage, or gotten a kill???
Falcon tries to get back to the ground (feels restricted on platform with fox in good position)
:12 neither player sees each other.
falcon reclaims the ground back air. . .
realizes he's in a bad position LOL takes center.
Falcon is anxious, NEEDS TO GET A HIT.
throws over b
fox is lenient.
Falcon does not tech chase first throw
misses nair tech chase (doesn't realize??
loses to his own recover, fox is lenient (READ
7:19 AM 12/16/20105e3w3EDGE HOG
bad edge guarding (needs invinc. knee)
(inside falcons mind: Im so bad, i hope the fox player doesnt realize this and beat me senselessly)
more bad edge guards by falcon
random dash dancing gets punished. stomp to get up attack??
falcon makes you uncomfortable (your up b was out of position for the edge anyway though)
bair vs n at the edge, goooooood trade. *steals*
nooby ASAP edge hop dair
1fox 2 falcon
waveshine like that can be grabbed on reaction.
falcon DD forward b over DD grab??
STADIUM.
nair grab you get the cc next time. shine to error
definitely dont get stomped. EVER.
if this translates to dont get hit to you thenyou've got the right idea.
waveshine can be grabbed, but if it forces your opponent to roll then by all means. . . Should try and master JC throw a couple mix ups in there at least. shffl nairs obviously for mix but ALSO bairs and even up airs.
In my opinion, falcons worst position is his shield
2.0% 3.81
forward down throw > no tech chase again here. doesnt know how to tech chase on platforms with dair.
dair is falcons best move in this match > discuss
I saw you try to turn jc smash, you can get that down for sure.
FSMASH ON SHIELD IS SO BAD unless its spaced, but spaced f tilt is still better (fox's f smash just . . .propably opt for bair, this was said earlier and I think is a universal. Is there ever a time where f smash is worth it??
good shine spike, looks like you kinda hesitated mid air but caught it just in time.
I could literally feel the tension!
tie game f throw
you lose???? you lose to f throw??
over b ground tech.
picture this:
shine drill shine cross turn grab?? up tilt?? nix the grab- lets just shine him to the other side has hard as possible.
assuming the waveshine combo is completed to the other side with mild interference from DI/error/Shy Guy Lag.
(now that i finished typing I'm 2:00 in)
nair grab nair up smash. anything but shine. UNLESs They CC (this nair is SO crouchable)
I paused this time.
this section is supposed to be about the falcon tho.
DIs up air to the top platform. evades teching,
this dude opens nasty vs. drpp here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgVjVlKrGLk&NR=1
PP comes back, intercepts a jump with a shine and next time faclon gets to play its his 2nd stock in.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
thanks for the play by play, brookman
=)
hopefully I'll get some better and recent videos up soon, I'm still working on tourney nerves...
=)
hopefully I'll get some better and recent videos up soon, I'm still working on tourney nerves...
reading through I see there are a couple phrases that could be perceived in different ways, one thing in particular I'll rephrase this"
You should master the JC, it will help with your mix ups. wanted to make sure that wasnt read as master the shine jc grab.
You should master the JC, it will help with your mix ups. wanted to make sure that wasnt read as master the shine jc grab.
CloneHat
Smash Champion
You played best at the beginning. Just stay back, shoot lasers, and bair through the platforms.
At the end, you lost patience and got grabbed/Raptor Boosted. Also, practice around the edge: be clever with getting off of it (maybe invincible wavelands?), and don't be afraid to edgeguard Falcon. His recovery sucks.
At the end, you lost patience and got grabbed/Raptor Boosted. Also, practice around the edge: be clever with getting off of it (maybe invincible wavelands?), and don't be afraid to edgeguard Falcon. His recovery sucks.