can someone please tell me wat the ken combo is....
i dont main marth
I'm guessing someone said something about the Ken combo (a series of fair to double jumped dair) in this thread? It seems harder to do this move against sheik, largely because I'm getting owned by her so much it's more difficult to land good attacks. Plus, she recovers quickly from attacks... at least it seems that way to me.
Sheik is indeed a hard matchup. Yesterday I played marth vs sheik against 3 different players; I won some and lost some to each. Today I studied Ken's marth vs sheik to see what he does. Here is what I noticed:
1. Edgeguarding well against sheik is absolutely crucial. If marth hits sheik off the stage with a fsmash attack, run to the edge, short hop to bair and grab the edge. Then marth has 4 options: 1) hop onto stage while performing a nair attack, 2) press forward to get on stage then grab or utilt or fsmash. Utilt seemed to work well 3) press L/R to roll onto the stage then fsmash or ftilt. 4) hop onto the stage and hit sheik after she lands, wherever it may be (like a platform)
2. Grabs are important. Uthrow sheik and do like the other people in this thread mentioned. You have two choices after the uthrow: 1) utilt combo, 2) full hop to fair or uair or whatever you need to do to rack up damage and particularly get her off the stage
3. Don't get grabbed or dash attacked. I know this is easier said than done, but this means playing differently than against most other characters. Try to catch sheik in the lag (although small) from her dash attack by long dash dancing. Practice dash dancing at the longest possible stride. When sheik misses you, dash back and grab her. This also works on other characters like falco for his pillar.
4. Use marth's dancing blade when you need to whip out a fast attack at a close (but not grab range close if possible) range
5. Uair combo sheik to death. I know marth players are not accustomed to using uair as much as fair or even dair, but I've gotten a lot of vertical kills on sheik, particularly on platform levels, by uair comboing. Sheik is really susceptible to this - I've even seen Ken take advantage of it. Make sure to hit with the tip so you hear that beautiful slash sound effect.
6. Use dtilt to keep sheik off the stage when she gets back up, particularly at higher percentages. Prettymuch, do whatever it takes to get her off the stage and using her up B.
7. All the don'ts: 1) do not spam aerials; pick the time to attack. Otherwise sheik will space herself and either outprioritize marth, trade hits, or grab. 2) Do not sit still. Sheik can fake marth out easily because of her quick wavedashing and quick dashing. Dash dancing is better than sitting still. 3) Do not stand on the stage waiting for sheik to grab the edge - grab it first! Beware to keep that invincibility up. 4) Do not use your second jump when recovering unless you need it to escape above sheik's needles or uair/fair range. 5) Do not spam fsmash. Only use it when you know it will hit. I personally fsmash way too much and every time I do it, I know I'm going to get punished. If sheik is next to the edge with her back to it, try to mindgame her to move in some way, and right then fsmash. At worst, she'll get pushed back onto the ledge... unless she sidesteps, but hopefully no one is playing that good of a sheik
8. If it's a tournament and you're facing a sheik player who is clearly below your level, "... switch to fox and **** that ho".