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H1N1 vaccine safe?

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Neo Exdeath

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As you know, the swine flu is a big topic currently. Now, as you probably now, they have come out with a vaccine for it. However, many people do not trust the H1N1 vaccine, calling it unsafe. They point to the 70s vaccine, which paralyzed quite a few people, as a reason not to trust the H1N1 vaccine. This brings me to my question:

Do you trust the H1N1 vaccine? If not, then why don't you trust it?


Here is some info:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5237185n
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1496415.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,561761,00.html
http://politicolnews.com/permanent-damage-n1h1-shot/

Many people have doubts about this, including news stations, despite the medical companies saying it is safe. They say that the vaccine's ingredients are harmful, or that would be like the 70's vaccine; kills more people then it is supposed to cure. Do you think it is wrong for people to just have blind distrust of the medical companies, or just anything in general?
 

TheMike

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Hope it saves. Really, i'm infected with the H1N1 virus and it's very bad(it's almost the "normal" virus, but worst). At first, it needs to get all over the world so as to get good results, but yeah, i trust the H1N1 vaccine at presents, but before we get those results, be careful as it's dangerous...
 

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I wouldnt trust it AT THE MOMENT. Why? Because the vaccine could fail and be fatal. I mean it hasnt been tested that much. It could be too much of a dose and you could actually end up getting the disease. Or maybe it could have no affect at all... I dunno I would wait a few more months when more people get shot. If more people die at a ratio bigger than the number of people who lived and have not gotten the disease I would risk being infected by the swine flu. If vice versa happens then Id take it and wait. So all in all it really just depends if its successful or not
 

thegreatkazoo

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I wouldnt trust it AT THE MOMENT. Why? Because the vaccine could fail and be fatal. I mean it hasnt been tested that much. It could be too much of a dose and you could actually end up getting the disease. Or maybe it could have no affect at all... I dunno I would wait a few more months when more people get shot. If more people die at a ratio bigger than the number of people who lived and have not gotten the disease I would risk being infected by the swine flu. If vice versa happens then Id take it and wait. So all in all it really just depends if its successful or not
A common misnomer is that the Swine Flu "hasn't been tested enough." This is obviously in reference to the 1976 swine flu debacle in which the vaccination wasn't thoroughly tested, which resulted in some unfortunate deaths.

Unlike the events from thirty-three years ago, this current batch of vaccination has been tested many times more than the 1976 version. Hence, the safety of the vaccine really shouldn't be in question.

More information can be seen here.
 

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Wow then I guess my science teacher was wrong then..... anyways the virus could mutate anyways so I think Ill wait a few months either way.... JUST to be safe....

btw I never knew there was a 1976 swine flu lol
 

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The CDC has already addressed issues concerning the safety of the H1N1 vaccine. This is a lot more reliable sensationalist news articles that try to scare people (although some of the links in the OP were accurate, like the Kansas or Fox articles). The normal seasonal flu vaccine carries the same risks as the H1N1 vaccine (in other words, very little to none).
 

.Marik

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I'm not entirely sure about this subject, but I've heard reports of them injecting dead cells of the virus directly into you, so your immune system can fight it.

I've always gotten extremely sick after seasonal flu shots, and after a while, completely stopped taking them.

I'd rather take my chances. But, the H1N1 pandemic is a international concern, and it attacks all the organs, including the heart.

I have severe heart problems, and this virus could trigger me to have an attack- and die.

My foster mother called TeleHealth Ontario, and they confirmed my little foster brother showed signs of the H1N1 virus.

And I live with him, the consequences could be fatal. My foster mother is also 8 months pregnant, and the immune system is supposedly 5 times weaker during this stage.

Not to mention, I live with 9 other people in the same house, a lot of them children and a few young adults.

Should I get it? If I could take my chances, I totally would.

But as of right now, I don't trust the H1N1 vaccination shots. Several children and young mothers have died from recieving the shots.
 

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There are two kinds of flu vaccines. One is the normal flu shot, which uses killed virus to induce immunity. The other kind, the nasal spray, uses live attenuated vaccine, which uses weakened/nonvirulent live virus.

I'm not sure where you heard that it "attacks all organs" or "attacks the heart." H1N1, like all strains of flu, mainly affects your respiratory system. Like any other strain of flu, it can weaken your immune system and potentially allow for other infections.
Swine flu — just like any other flu — is a respiratory infection. It exploits a weakened immune system to attack major organs — especially your lungs. When it gets into your lungs, it can lead to pneumonia, which can kill you. The flu can also cause secondary infections in your body — any of which can lead to failure of vital organs and death.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/04/24/f-swineflu-faq.html

H1N1 was found to cause pulmonary embolism as well, ie a blood clot blocking the arteries that go to your lungs. But again, this has nothing to do with the heart.
http://www.ajronline.org/aheadofprint/12_09_3365PP.pdf

I'm also not sure where you heard that a pregnant woman's immune system is "5 times weaker". That would be ridiculous. For the most part, pregnancy does not weaken the immune system:
There is little firm scientific evidence that pregnant women are more susceptible to infectious diseases.6 In general, neither viral nor other infections (such as tuberculosis) seem to occur more commonly in pregnancy, nor are localised infections more likely to become generalised, as occurs in immunosuppressed patients
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/308/6941/1385

However, women are more susceptible to a few infections when pregnant (namely toxoplasmosis and listeriosis). As for other infections, the severity of illness is usually worse in pregnant women (even though the pregnancy doesn't make them more likely to get sick in the first place), and illness can have effects on the fetus too. Pregnant women are no more likely to get the flu than other people, but if they do get it it can be a lot worse for them:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no11/06-0152.htm

The flu shot is recommended for pregnant women:
http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/about/qa/flushot.htm

Remember, because the flu shot contains killed virus, it cannot make you sick with the flu. Some people do, however, feel sick or get sick, and this is also explained by the CDC's website:
Why do some people not feel well after getting the flu shot?

The most common side effect of the flu vaccine in adults is soreness at the spot where the shot was given, which usually lasts less than two days. The soreness is often caused by a person’s immune system making protective antibodies to the killed viruses in the vaccine. These antibodies are what allow the body to fight against flu. The needle stick may also cause some soreness at the injection site. According to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), rare symptoms include fever, muscle pain, and feelings of discomfort or weakness. If these problems occur, they are very uncommon and usually begin soon after the shot and last 1-2 days.
What about people who get a seasonal flu vaccine and still get sick with flu-like symptoms?

There are several reasons why someone might get flu-like symptoms even after they have been vaccinated against the flu.

  1. People may be exposed to an influenza virus shortly before getting vaccinated or during the two-week period that it takes the body to gain protection after getting vaccinated. This exposure may result in a person becoming ill with flu before the vaccine begins to protect them.
  2. People may become ill from other (non-flu) viruses that circulate during the flu season, which can also cause flu-like symptoms (such as rhinovirus).
  3. A person may be exposed to an influenza virus that is not included in the seasonal flu vaccine. There are many different influenza viruses and this year there is a new and very different flu virus spreading worldwide among people called 2009 H1N1 flu. The seasonal flu vaccine will not provide protection against 2009 H1N1 flu. This year there is also a 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine. The 2009 H1N1 vaccine is not intended to replace the seasonal flu vaccine – it is intended to be used along-side seasonal flu vaccine.
  4. Unfortunately, some people can remain unprotected from flu despite getting the vaccine. This is more likely to occur among people that have weakened immune systems. However, even among people with weakened immune systems, the flu vaccine can still help prevent influenza complications. For more information about the effectiveness of the flu vaccine, see How Well Does the Seasonal Flu Vaccine Work?
Seasonal influenza vaccine provides the best protection available from seasonal flu – even when the vaccine does not closely match circulating flu strains, and even when the person getting the vaccine has a weakened immune system. Vaccination can lessen illness severity and is particularly important for people at high risk for serious flu-related complications and for close contacts of high-risk people.
I don't understand why you "don't trust the H1N1 vaccination shots." Yes, unfortunately, there are some very rare complications. But the normal flu vaccine carries the exact same risk. In fact, the H1N1 vaccine contains the same ingredients as the normal flu vaccine. The only thing different is the flu strain. I haven't checked the numbers, but I'm pretty sure the rate of complications for H1N1 vaccine is the same as it is for seasonal flu vaccine.
 

.Marik

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I'm not sure where you heard that it "attacks all organs" or "attacks the heart." H1N1, like all strains of flu, mainly affects your respiratory system. Like any other strain of flu, it can weaken your immune system and potentially allow for other infections.
Swine flu — just like any other flu — is a respiratory infection. It exploits a weakened immune system to attack major organs — especially your lungs. When it gets into your lungs, it can lead to pneumonia, which can kill you. The flu can also cause secondary infections in your body — any of which can lead to failure of vital organs and death.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/04/24/f-swineflu-faq.html
Thanks for the clarification. Just so we're on the same page, I found out it mainly targets the respiratory system after I researched it some more. However, it can weaken the immune system, which carries a possibility of subsequently infecting and damaging other organs, including the heart. But as I see, it's a secondary risk of infection.

I'm also not sure where you heard that a pregnant woman's immune system is "5 times weaker". That would be ridiculous. For the most part, pregnancy does not weaken the immune system:
There is little firm scientific evidence that pregnant women are more susceptible to infectious diseases.6 In general, neither viral nor other infections (such as tuberculosis) seem to occur more commonly in pregnancy, nor are localised infections more likely to become generalised, as occurs in immunosuppressed patients
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/308/6941/1385
I actually agree with you, and these weren't originally my claims. 5 times weaker? The horrific outcomes would be unimaginable.

My foster mom spoke to TeleHealth and her own personal doctor, who recommended it. She probably gave/got the wrong message, because your following facts make some sense and are probably the reason why said doctor gave my foster mother a warning over the phone.

As for other infections, the severity of illness is usually worse in pregnant women (even though the pregnancy doesn't make them more likely to get sick in the first place), and illness can have effects on the fetus too. Pregnant women are no more likely to get the flu than other people, but if they do get it it can be a lot worse for them:
Agreed, I think this is the main point of the whole issue of concern. I was more worried about the fetus than her, to be perfectly honest. Can rare complications occur from recieving certain strands of flu shots? I'm talking about the particular aspect of the baby/fetus being damaged.

The flu shot is recommended for pregnant women:
http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/about/qa/flushot.htm
I'll read the link later. Perhaps show it to her.

I don't understand why you "don't trust the H1N1 vaccination shots." Yes, unfortunately, there are some very rare complications. But the normal flu vaccine carries the exact same risk. In fact, the H1N1 vaccine contains the same ingredients as the normal flu vaccine. The only thing different is the flu strain. I haven't checked the numbers, but I'm pretty sure the rate of complications for H1N1 vaccine is the same as it is for seasonal flu vaccine.
I just don't feel comfortable with injecting live or dead virus cells directly into my body. Besides, I've always gotten sick after recieving seasonal flu shots, no matter what age, time, or day it was.

1,235+ people have been hospitalized in Canada. 80 have died.

Granted, these statistics probably arose from severe complications and I understand the fact that the regular flu virus also causes health complications in sick individuals.

Thanks for clarifying though, you seem really knowledgable.
 
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