Greninja (or fox) Matchup?

[Anthonio WIlliams]

So I recently started to pick up MK for greninja/fox.

You guys got any advice for what to do?

 

[Bonk!]

Well you could start by checking out the matchup directory thread where we have an entire thread dedicated to the Fox MU. We'll probably start talking about Greninja in the near future.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Metaknight isn't a Greninja counter. We struggle in that MU against a Greninja that understands the MU.

 

[warionumbah2]

You didn't research MK before 'picking him up' did you? <_<

Fox sure, but Frog has a cheap exploit that makes the MU in his favour. To my knowledge only Ito has hands on exp against Frog.

 

[ItoI6]

i think mk does ok vs both of them but really isnt a counter to either. you should try luigi for fox and any top tier for greninja

 

[Bonk!]

You didn't research MK before 'picking him up' did you? <_<

Fox sure, but Frog has a cheap exploit that makes the MU in his favour. To my knowledge only Ito has hands on exp against Frog.

@ Katakiri has a lot of experience against Kero, a talented Frogger.

 

[warionumbah2]

@ Katakiri has a lot of experience against Kero, a talented Frogger.

Does Kero abuse the exploit or nah?

 

[ItoI6]

its not that terrible because it only works on aerial upb and not grounded upb, but its still pretty lame

 

[Katakiri]

MK certainly doesn't counter either character but he has advantages against Fox that do matter but to abuse those advantages it still requires you to out-play the player, not just the character. So MK's likely not the easy button you're looking for. Greninja on the other hand is pretty even but puts us into a unique situation where Shuttle Loop is easily punished mid-combo. However, to make up for that, we decimate Greninja off-stage. If you can predict when they use Shadow Sneak to recover, you can drop from the edge, ledge snap for invinciblity against Shadow Sneak, then B-Air Greninja for the KO while in Shadow Sneak end-lag. If it's obvious that they're not Shadow Sneaking, you should still be hanging off the ledge and either B-Air or N-Air if they Up-B to the ledge or Dimensional Cape Slash if they're recovering on-stage.

But again, in no match-up is MK an easy button.

 

[Anthonio WIlliams]

Thanks guys

@ Katakiri i like your signature XD