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Gray Fox update seems to leave a lot out

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Onion Knight

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They explain Gray Fox, but they leave a lot out of what he really does I think. The way they word it, he actually targets opponents, and goes after them, and apparently if they try to attack him, he swats their projectiles away. That is the initial thought, but for some reason I get this sense of something much more. Saki left us with a bit of hints at something bigger with:

"Awww! It makes you want to use him as a playable character."

"You never know what might happen in this world."

Seems a bit fishy to me. Maybe Grey Fox is one of many AT's you can actually take control of.....

Just a thought.
 

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Maybe. Put together, those quotes DO make it seem like a tantalizing possibility, but given that it's blatantly listed under Assist Trophies section, I think that, barring some ridiculous unlock that'll be revealed when the game comes out, it's not gonna happen.
 

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Nobody can assume to know whats possible before the game is released. It could go either way, It has never been said that its impossible for an AT to become playable, Just unlikely.
 
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They explain Gray Fox, but they leave a lot out of what he really does I think. The way they word it, he actually targets opponents, and goes after them, and apparently if they try to attack him, he swats their projectiles away. That is the initial thought, but for some reason I get this sense of something much more. Saki left us with a bit of hints at something bigger with:

"Awww! It makes you want to use him as a playable character."

"You never know what might happen in this world."

Seems a bit fishy to me. Maybe Grey Fox is one of many AT's you can actually take control of.....

Just a thought.
You lose:

"Super Smash Bros. Brawl is sort of like a festival that all sorts of characters show up for. Bear in mind, though, that you can’t control any of the characters appearing on these pages. Let there be no mistake about that." - Dojo.


Nobody can assume to know whats possible before the game is released. It could go either way, It has never been said that its impossible for an AT to become playable, Just unlikely.
Look at that, you lose too.
 

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You lose:

"Super Smash Bros. Brawl is sort of like a festival that all sorts of characters show up for. Bear in mind, though, that you can’t control any of the characters appearing on these pages. Let there be no mistake about that." - Dojo.



Look at that, you lose too.
Hmm...That does sort of disprove my next conjecture...
I was going to say, maybe you can unlock him? Maybe if you manage to actually KO him as an AT, you fight him, then unlock him.
 

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Masahiro Sakurai why do you do this to me?!
I wanted Gray Fox as a playable character...*sigh* o well....
It's still awesome that he's at least in the game. That makes me happy.
 

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well, there goes one huge dream down the freakin toilet. What a waste.
 

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They explain Gray Fox, but they leave a lot out of what he really does I think. The way they word it, he actually targets opponents, and goes after them, and apparently if they try to attack him, he swats their projectiles away. That is the initial thought, but for some reason I get this sense of something much more. Saki left us with a bit of hints at something bigger with:

"Awww! It makes you want to use him as a playable character."

"You never know what might happen in this world."

Seems a bit fishy to me. Maybe Grey Fox is one of many AT's you can actually take control of.....

Just a thought.
except that he said, "If Snake is going to be joining the brawl, then it should be fine to have someone else from the Metal Gear world join as an Assist Trophy, right?"

Wishful thinking...so don't get your hopes up...

Though I like the enthusiasm, give it a rest.

Kids everywhere are throwing out theories based loosely on mixing and matching quotes to make it look like Sakurai meant something that he never actually said nor insinuated. So, yeah, you lose. :p


Although, what you SHOULD read into is this: since Sakurai mentioned that "it should be fine to have someone else from the Metal Gear (3rd party) world join as an Assist Trophy," then it is definitely a *possibility* that he's considering characters like Knuckles, Tails, etc from Sonic's world as an Assist Trophy.

Maybe this news adds clues to the debate over the internet between hopefuls and realists about whether or not we'll get additional playable characters from the 3rd parties, in addition to getting "1 or 2 more third parties" to lend their character to Brawl.

This seems to point to "no, just ONE character from each 3rd Party as a playable//though allowing extra characters from the series as Assist Trophies"

The End.
 

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...oh, and the quote about "You never know what might happen in this world," try using some common sense and basic reading comprehension:

He was referring to the idea that "Gray Fox, who engaged in a grand battle to the death with Metal Gear REX... To think that he would reappear on Wii, and alongside Mario and Sonic at that!"

To fully quote the Dojo:

"Gray Fox, who engaged in a grand battle to the death with Metal Gear REX... To think that he would reappear on Wii, and alongside Mario and Sonic at that!

You never know what might happen in this world."

...try not to mold this game into something you want to see by mixing and matching quotes so that they comfort you into a false sense of security and hope, because you'll end up hurting yourself (and others).
 

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Well i wasn't saying this stuff as fact, more of bringing it up for a point of discussions. Some fresh possibilites instead of the vague ones we see everywhere (such as whos gonna be in).

Grey Fox looks much to "controlled" based on his abilities, but if he's not a playable AT, then at least a character that kind of becomes your minion maybe? Or its entirely possible the AI for this game is incredible and Grey Fox can run around the battle field attacking much LIKE a playable character.

Looking over the update again, I think the main point he is trying to get across is the fact 3rd party characters can have a rich set of items in the game.
 

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...oh, and the quote about "You never know what might happen in this world," try using some common sense and basic reading comprehension:

He was referring to the idea that "Gray Fox, who engaged in a grand battle to the death with Metal Gear REX... To think that he would reappear on Wii, and alongside Mario and Sonic at that!"

To fully quote the Dojo:

"Gray Fox, who engaged in a grand battle to the death with Metal Gear REX... To think that he would reappear on Wii, and alongside Mario and Sonic at that!

You never know what might happen in this world."

...try not to mold this game into something you want to see by mixing and matching quotes so that they comfort you into a false sense of security and hope, because you'll end up hurting yourself (and others).
He is full of surprises, and the fact Grey Fox appears in the game alongside mario and sonic is unexpected (pre brawl updates) the quote "You never know what might happen in this world" refers to the FUTURE. Of course its all on the way you say it. I'm not looking THAT much into it, cause I can easily say any surprising update could match this quote, but surprising updates are a given.

False sense of security? I think the quote provides security, but not false. Are you trying to say no new exciting characters and franchises are going to be introduced? Cause if you do indeed believe they are going to, then my interpretation of the quote is in no way false.
 

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Gray Fox: as detailed as Lyn, does the same thing as Goroh.

Knuckle Joe has two moves FFS.

My point: nothing special here, he's just cooler.

He won't be playable.

Jeebus people, just be glad he's in the game. Don't let this turn into the Tom Nook fiasco all over again.
 

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I found the update wierd. Those screens could very well be ingame screens of him as a playable character.

Wouldn't we all be shocked if he tricked us in to believing it was a support trophy and then he is unlocked when Brawl comes out?
 

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They explain Gray Fox, but they leave a lot out of what he really does I think. The way they word it, he actually targets opponents, and goes after them, and apparently if they try to attack him, he swats their projectiles away. That is the initial thought, but for some reason I get this sense of something much more. Saki left us with a bit of hints at something bigger with:

"Awww! It makes you want to use him as a playable character."

"You never know what might happen in this world."

Seems a bit fishy to me. Maybe Grey Fox is one of many AT's you can actually take control of.....

Just a thought.
It would be cool... alas I doubt it.

Me thinks that they wouldn't announce that he was an assist trophy so late in development if they planed to make him a character.

As of now they still have time to place new characters into the cast, if they had any intention of putting him in the game I'm sure they wouldn't have announced him as an assist trophy.

You are right though, those 'hints' were a little odd, meh, it was probably nothing.
 

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He is full of surprises, and the fact Grey Fox appears in the game alongside mario and sonic is unexpected (pre brawl updates) the quote "You never know what might happen in this world" refers to the FUTURE. Of course its all on the way you say it. I'm not looking THAT much into it, cause I can easily say any surprising update could match this quote, but surprising updates are a given.

False sense of security? I think the quote provides security, but not false. Are you trying to say no new exciting characters and franchises are going to be introduced? Cause if you do indeed believe they are going to, then my interpretation of the quote is in no way false.
You're interpretation of "anything can happen" is that ATs will be playable, even though he already stated that they aren't.

So, yes, your interpretation is false. And in what way is this quote providing security? If anything, it provides mysteries, though the mysteries surrounding ATs and their playability have long since been lifted.

When I said "false sense of security", I meant giving it to yourself based on mixing and isolating quotes and applying them to just "anything" just to raise your hopes up and feeling secure that something like "playable ATs" will happen, when they never will.


That's a false sense of security...next time read the entire thing and learn some reading-comprehension skills (usually taught in 1st grade through 12th). You don't seem to be comprehending neither my post nor Sakurai's Dojo updates...

I never said anything about the quotes themselves being "false sense of security"...because that makes no sense whatsoever.

and as far as this: as you said, "the quote "You never know what might happen in this world" refers to the FUTURE."

Yeah, you're right...anything new can be introduced, but don't fool yourself into believing that ATs are suddenly now playable because he said, "You never know what might happen in this world," when he was directly describing the scenario that Gray Fox is reappearing on the Wii alongside Mario and Sonic.

Hmmm..oh I don't know...maybe someone with some common sense would apply that "anything can happen" quote with some logic and see that he means that anyone can appear in Brawl. Appear. As in either playable or not.

Get off it, get over it, and try to think a little harder about your theories before you post a thread next time. As you can see, playable ATs have already been debunked before anyone began to think about it. Check the Dojo. Sakurai says it himself.
 
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It's that **** last quote that bugs the crap out of me...

"Gray Fox, who engaged in a grand battle to the death with Metal Gear REX... To think that he would reappear on Wii, and alongside Mario and Sonic at that!

You never know what might happen in this world."

With a quote like that...it sounds like something else is gonna happen...something massive we didn't see coming...Probably me just being a n00b, though...
 

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While it's inarguable that Sakurai's translations leave themselves open to every sort of interpretation under the sun, there are at least one or two things that we have to assume in terms of Brawl's future, especially when they've come straight from the horse's mouth.

Sakurai has already said that Assist trophies are not playable. If you really, really, really go out on a limb there, then you might be able to speculate something like, 'When Gray Fox appears, the character that summoned him vanishes for a moment, allowing them to play as GF.' But that's just infeasible. If GF was playable in any way, shape or form, it would have been mentioned by Sakurai when he was announced. That would be too much of a defining feature to leave out of the update. Besides, the update describes the way he moves. Not the way he can move. The way he does move.

Sorry, MG fans. I woulda liked to have him playable, being an excellent character who'd decrease chances for Manboygirlthing Raiden, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

At least he's in the game, kicking *** part time. That's something to celebrate, right?

@Xaoz: That's just Sakurai hyping the game. He's been doing it ever since the Dojo started running, and he's not going to stop anytime soon. I'd bet money that we're going to see something like 'In this world, you truly cannot assume anything' or 'I'm sure he/she'll be a very unique part of the lineup.'
 

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Oh, I know it's not Melee, but I'm just saying, there was nothing even close to being able to play as pokemon. Though if you can give Bowser Falcon's moveset...

Anyway, again, people are looking waaay too deep.


"Gray Fox, who engaged in a grand battle to the death with Metal Gear REX... To think that he would reappear on Wii, and alongside Mario and Sonic at that!

You never know what might happen in this world."

Sounds more like he's talking about you'll never know who'll come back from the dead, imo.
 

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Oh, I know it's not Melee, but I'm just saying, there was nothing even close to being able to play as pokemon. Though if you can give Bowser Falcon's moveset...

Anyway, again, people are looking waaay too deep.


"Gray Fox, who engaged in a grand battle to the death with Metal Gear REX... To think that he would reappear on Wii, and alongside Mario and Sonic at that!

You never know what might happen in this world."

Sounds more like he's talking about you'll never know who'll come back from the dead, imo.
Or he might have been commenting on how a character from gritty, guns, guns and more guns game Metal Gear is going to show up next to characters from more universal (Or if you want to be a total ***, 'kiddy') franchises.
 

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As it has been stated, ATs will not be playable. Most have a set of directions of what they are supposed to do anyway.

Now that it has been created, if you have any further discussion points, please move it to the DOJO Update thread for this update:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=124774
 
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