Aren't great characters? they are totally great for having as a secondary.
This is only true if you don't intend to play competitively.
- Their recovery is subpar and is a little easy to gimp
- Mediocre grab range and low grab reward (very little combo and kill potential from any of their throws)
- Limited combos and underwhelming offensive pressure
- Poor frame data, many of their moves take too long to end and are very unsafe on shield
- (exclusive to Lucina, since she doesn't have the tipper) Nearly every kill move is highly situational and/or easily punishable
For most people, the point of a secondary is to cover your main's weaknesses and deal with any matchups he/she can't win. The The general consensus is that these two characters are mediocre and are generally low tier or mid-low tier, and they kind of have difficulties dealing with a lot of characters. For example: I main
and I used to have Lucina as a backup myself, and if I continued to use her as a backup it probably wouldn't take me very far in my tournament career. Mega Man and Lucina both have similar weaknesses in that they both have trouble killing & racking up damage, laggy frame data with slow attacks, and are heavily reliant on mid-range spacing as they do not perform well in close quarters combat. If I brought them both with me to a tournament; running into someone who plays Fox, Greninja, Captain Falcon, or Pac-Man in bracket could give me a rough time and potentially end my tournament run as they arguably both lose to these same characters (I say arguably since I am not yet convinced Mega loses to these fighters, besides Falcon). However, Mega Man has more tools to deal with other characters that make him a better character: A stronger zoning game with his lemons, a superior recovery, can actually threaten shields (many of Lucy's moves are unsafe on block and she has terrible throws, Mega Man at least has a better grab game and can pressure shields well with saw blades and crash bombers), and has better anti-camp tools against other zoning characters. There aren't many matchups she does better in besides maybe Kirby & Jigglypuff and while I like Lucina, the character has too many flaws to be a dependable secondary and I don't think these two characters compliment each other well at all. If my secondary was someone else that doesn't suffer most of these issues like Mario, Sonic, or Rosalina I'd stand a better chance against said characters in bracket.
That said, I can't really imagine her or Marth being a good secondary for
either: They come as being swordsmen characters too but have even more endlag on most of their moves, an inferior combo game and are rewarded less from grabs, and aren't as good at recovering. Besides maybe
, what matchups do they win that Pit doesn't?
They do get a pretty good boost from custom moves though, Crescent Slash, Iai Counter, and Dashing Assault help quite a bit.
