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Give me some help with my first OU team

Levitas

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I'm rather new to pokemon, this is my first attempt at anything resembling a team on a cartridge. Note that my general strategy is to make a pokemon I'd like to have and then hope that it's synergetic with the ones I have rather than any real team planning. Don't bother mentioning breeding/IVs as I'm doing breeding for 1-2 stats + nature and don't care to be anything more than semi competitive at most.


lead tyranitar
adamant
lum berry
252HP/32AtK/restSpD
Earthquake
Stealth rocks
Stone edge
payback

Notes: I haven't tested this guy too much in battle, but from what I see, he has trouble OHKOing some stuff ;>.>

Whatever, he's a special tank, and he leads with SR

CB scizor
adamant
choice band
252HP/252Atk
pursuit
superpower
u-turn
bullet punch

Hits hard. Not very original. I'm over it.

weird Azelf
modest
focus sash
252spe/252SpA
psychic
shadow ball
flamethrower
nasty plot

I've had this guy for like 4 years. He's slow, but whatever. hits like a beast and dies like a wimp.

scarf starmie
modest
choice scarf
252SpA/252Spe
Ice beam
Thunderbolt
Grass knot
surf

Completely untested, I finished him... 30 minutes ago? yeah

New mixmence
naive
life orb
252SpA/252Spe
EQ
Flamethrower
Draco Meteor
Outrage

Mence is good and stuff lol

Specs Jolteon
Timid
Choice specs
Thunderbolt
Signal beam
Shadowball
Baton pass

His hidden power is crap, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

As I gain experience with competition and make more guys, jolteon and azelf are likely to be the first to be replaced. This team will likely lose to stall teams with adequately specialized walls, and people who have brains.

I'm looking at a possible gyarados and/or Rotom appliance to make my tyranitar better and do cool stuff.

Once again, I'm new, and this team likely sucks (a higher amount of it than I'd like is smogon c/p ;>.>) so feel free to tear it apart to your hearts content.

EDIT: after a little thought and a few pointers, there are some obvious changes that must be made, not the least of which is the fact that azelf with sash gets auto screwed by my own tyranitar ;-_-
 

Wave⁂

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Holy **** it's Levitas. How's that Ness going?

I don't like your lead. Sleep leads are fairly uncommon, Roserade and Smeargle are on a negligible number of teams. You break their Focus Sashes with Sandstream anyways, so you can absorb the Sleep and switch to Scizor for the KO. Go with Leftovers.
Sandstream is really bad for Salamence. You might want to consider a lead Azelf or Swampert.

Azelf is mostly outclassed by Nasty Plot Infernape because STAB Psychic is very bad.
Infernape @ Life Orb | Blaze
Timid / 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nasty Plot | Flamethrower | Focus Blast / Close Combat | Grass Knot / Vacuum Wave

Jolteon and Starmie are a bit redundant, as both are revenge killers. You could replace Jolteon with a Rotom-A, either Scarf or defensive. I'm hesitant to suggest another revenge killer, and defensive Rotom-A doesn't quite fit your team. Calm Mind Wish Jirachi is a good late-game sweeper, especially after MixMence has punched holes in your opponent's team. Swords Dance Lucario is a physical alternative. Which one of these you pick depends on what you want in that last team slot.
 

Levitas

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Ness is as fun to play as ever. In particular, I've been working on melee ness :p

As for this team, thanks for the advice. I've been talking to SNO who's also pointing me away from leadtar and that azelf, and I have my reservations about that jolteon.

azelf, swampert, and aerodactyl are all possible replacement leads at time via suggestions, as well as rotom-A and lucario to replace modest (READ:****ty) azelf and jolteon.

I can't really get a jirachi, much less have any control over IVs on the cart at this point, so even if it's amazing, I can't touch it ;>.>
 

Wave⁂

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Aerodactyl is reliable, but doesn't do much. It's a good lead though, since you can prevent some leads from setting up the Stealth Rocks that eat Salamence.
 

Levitas

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interestingly, I have access to a max speed/natured aerodactyl for breeding currently (props to scotu for being awesome and lucky).

That said, I'm also working on getting a swampert and a legit azelf, so yeah :p

thanks for the suggestions so far :p

Oh, other note, I'm considering taking off grass knot on scarf starmie and putting trick in, though I'm not completely sold on that idea just yet
 

Wave⁂

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I was going to suggest that, but your team down't haven't have too much trouble with Blissey. It could help against stuff like CroCune, though.
 

Levitas

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seems knot should stay then, I don't anticipate running into any crocunes locally :p

EDIT:
I have a lucario just about ready to go, he's just waiting for me to decide whether to go with ice punch or stone edge as a 4th move. He'll replace azelf.

As for replacing jolteon or starmie, I'm thinking of putting vaporeon with wish/protect/surf/toxic because it's mean.

Do those last two changes qualify as beneficial?
 

DMG

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Depends on what pokemon you feel you need to hit with Lucario. Ice Punch will beat out his traditional counter Gliscor unless he runs +speed, but it will have less power against Flying enemies that Stone Edge would hit. It's the more reliable, but weaker option. Stone Edge will hit harder, but is less accurate and won't stop Gliscor from stopping you.

Another alternative to consider is Crunch. Good Neutral coverage, covers Ghosts who bypass Extremespeed and Close Combat (although you must be wary because most Ghosts that would come in on Lucario normally threaten to be faster than him like Gengar or Rotom/Scarf). Crunch IMO is about on par with Stone Edge. Do you run Adamant or Jolly on Lucario?

Lucario is a better overall sweeper than Azelf, so yes swapping him out will probably benefit you. The other suggestion, IDK. Your team does not seem bulky enough to support using A Vaporeon like that. That set is basically for Balanced/Stall teams, not for faster paced Offense. The biggest problem IMO is that your opponent realizes what set you have, and throws in a Sweeper it cannot handle or scare off. Salamence and Gyarados for example will love to come out on that Vaporeon. Even if they take a Toxic, you don't have a bulky enough team to try and handle them as they thrash about. I wouldn't suggest Vaporeon for a team like that.

Lead Tar I don't like because it doesn't have synergy with the team. Who is gonna take advantage of the Sandstorm on your team? Starmie and Jolteon/Vaporeon are not gonna like it, Salamence definitely will not like it either. I would try a safer lead. Azelf lead, Metagross Lead, Aerodactly lead, something with an established role that can do its job usually regardless of what the rest of your team consists of. If you want fast paced Offense, Aerodactly could work. Stopping rocks from getting up will help Salamence and the rest. You can also get your own rocks up fast.

Metagross is bulkier and slower, but more stable. He can get rocks up and still live compared to Aero. He's expected more as a lead than Aero so you can expect people to try and counter him harder than Aero.

Azelf as a lead... well it's like a blend of the two. Fast and hard hitting but also support orientated. Azelf is a bag of tricks compared to the other two, you can have many different threatening lead sets on him to throw people off. CB Azelf lead, Physical, Grass Knot/Thunderbolt/Specialty move, etc

If you want Metagross as a lead, you are gonna have to work around Scizor and Lucario also being weak to Fire/Being trappable. Azelf could work well with them in that his usual counters can be threatened by those two. If you really want Scizor and Lucario AND Salamence, I would probably have Azelf as the lead since he doesn't share any weaknesses with them and his usual counters can be threatened by those 3.
 
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