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Gengar84’s art and music

Gengar84

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Hi everyone. I’m pretty sure this sub-forum is dead but I figured I might as well use this as a place where I can show off my brother and my art and music. We’ve been working on a story and creating characters as a side hobby for our whole lives. I can share more details on the story itself if anyone is interested but we’re still trying to flesh everything out.

For our characters themselves, my brother draws them on paper with pen and pencil and then scans them into the computer. He imports the scans into Photoshop and blocks out the basic colors. From there, I do all the shading in Photoshop.

Heres a link to our Artstation so you can see the whole iterative process of each character.


I’ll share our final character images below with a very brief synopsis of who each character is.

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This is Felix. He’s the main character of the story and one of three twin siblings. He’s a bit impulsive and cocky but he always tries to do the right thing. He’s a thief class in our RPG.

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This is Felix’s sister Ava. She’s technically the youngest of the three and she’s a spunky cheerful girl. She’s a beast master class and can capture beasts to summon them in battle.

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This is Canin. He’s technically the oldest of the siblings and has always looked after Felix and Angel when their mother is away. He inherited his cursed golden eyes from his mother which causes him to lose control of his mind. On e the curse began to take over, he runs off and secludes himself out of fear of hurting those he cares about.

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This is the siblings mother, Kara. She was captured hundreds of years ago and was experimented on. The experiments implanted cursed, golden eyes that grants her near immortality. Over several years, she learned to control her power and now reigns as queen of her region.

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This is Leon. He’s the father of the triplet siblings and married to Kara. He was framed for a crime a few years ago by a fellow soldier so he has never really had the chance to be a part of his children’s lives.

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This is Leon’s closest friend Bryce. He was the most trusted guard of the king but was framed of the king’s death. Several of the other guards still believed in him so Leon was able to convince them to release him so he can watch over Leon’s children in his absence and try to uncover the true culprit of these crimes. He’s a guardian class in the RPG.

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This is the warrior priestess, Celica. She’s always looked up to Bryce and joins him in his escape to join Felix and Ava in their adventure. She’s the cleric class in the RPG.

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This is king Axton. He is a fierce warrior unmatched in battle that led his kingdom to slay the fire titan and saved their land. Since he was never defeated in battle, he became somewhat overconfident and was murdered, which led to Bryce’s false accusation.

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This is Kalance, the son of Axton. He’s had a friendly rivalry with Bryce since he was young but was always a bit jealous that his father seemed to give more attention to Bryce than him. His mother is actually the goddess of light, making him a demigod. After Axton’s death, Kalance succeeds him as king.

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This is Kalance’s sister, Sabrenna. She’s always been very kind to everyone and uses her powers to heal the injured townsfolk and soldiers.

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This is Kalance’s wife, Blair. She’s a mysterious figure from the desert kingdom. She married to Kalance to foster an alliance between the two nations. She’s always been proud of where she came from and carries over her traditions to her new home.

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This is the kingdom’s top strategist, Aafyre. He comes from a wealthy family so he tends to be a bit arrogant and stuck up. Because of this, he has a lot of trouble relating to others but he’s a good person deep down. He’s a strategist class in the RPG (which is functionally similar to a bard class).

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This is another playable character, Myth. She’s a mysterious ninja with the power to change the appearance of her age at will.

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This is the final playable party member, Fable. He and Myth are partners and two of the top warriors of the ice kingdom. He is a man of very few words and has the ability to learn various skills from enemies.

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This is Tale. She is another top warrior ninja from the ice kingdom.

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This is Tale’s partner, Saga. His cybernetic armor was passed down to him by the gods.

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This is Layuna. She was the priestess Queen of the ice kingdom but passed away prior to the opening events of the story.

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This is the goddess of darkness, Nyxyss. She’s a prankster who revels in chaos and confusion.
 
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Gengar84

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Here's a few more of our characters

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This is Velle. She was an ancient warrior from the forest kingdom that was a member of a legendary party which slayed a powerful demon a thousand years ago. During the battle, something went wrong and the demon cursed the party which made them all immortal.

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This is the goddess of light, Luxael. She and Axton are the parents of Kalance and Sabrenna and many of her powers were passed down to them.

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This is Sharrow. He’s formerly from the forest kingdom but now a general of the fire kingdom. He has a strong hatred of Kara because his wife was killed under her watch.

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This is a mysterious assassin from the desert kingdom.

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This is a mysterious resurrected zombie warrior of the desert kingdom.

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This is a mysterious zombie priestess of the desert kingdom

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This is an alternate appearance for Bryce after a certain event in the story.

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This is an alternate appearance for Celica after a certain event in the story

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This is Yune. He’s the son of Layuna and heir to the throne of the ice kingdom.

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This is Ashler (past version). He and a party of ancient heroes defeated the demon god over a thousand years ago. This one isn't shaded yet like the others but I thought I'd show it off anyways.
 
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Gengar84

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We’ve also been playing around with an AI music site called Udio. We’ve made two songs taken word for word from our story. Ballad of the Crimson God is taken from a play my brother wrote from an early chapter in the story.


Legends Never Die is taken from some of our spell incantations from three of the elements (wind, dark and light). We have more elements but haven’t written the incantations yet so we just went with what we had.


We created the English lyrics for this song based on my brother’s favorite Magic card, Bushi Tenderfoot:


This one combines three eras of the TMNT show openings:


This one's a new version of the Poke'Rap


The other songs we made are remixes of WWE themes trying to see what we can do with the same lyrics in completely different styles to their actual songs.

 
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Veca Gorebyss

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wow. theyre so nice.

the drawings.

my goodness.

well done.

i like how they like. still look a in-thrift. the black lines and stuff around the figure people.



 

Gengar84

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wow. theyre so nice.

the drawings.

my goodness.

well done.

i like how they like. still look a in-thrift. the black lines and stuff around the figure people.



Thanks. I’m glad you like them. That means a lot. We had a lot of fun creating them. There’s still more characters we created but haven’t drawn a recent picture of. The hardest part is going to be finding the motivation to actually build the game.
 

Veca Gorebyss

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Thanks. I’m glad you like them. That means a lot. We had a lot of fun creating them. There’s still more characters we created but haven’t drawn a recent picture of. The hardest part is going to be finding the motivation to actually build the game.




well gosh. youre welcome.

why not have more motivation?

1:24 | https://youtu.be/7NPZ2emSDXY?si=gjg6ZOVwd5_3aG2X



 
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Gengar84

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well gosh. youre welcome.

why not have more motivation?

1:24 | https://youtu.be/7NPZ2emSDXY?si=gjg6ZOVwd5_3aG2X



Great movie. Robin Williams was always on of my favorites.

I thought I'd try a little experiment and describe my characters to Dall-E 3 without actually showing it any of the images to see how close it could get just by description. I'm actually really impressed with how a lot of these came out.

Here's my favorite AI version of each of our characters so far:

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Felix

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Ava

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Canin

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Kara

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Leon

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Bryce

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Celica

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Axton

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Kalance

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Sabrenna

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Blair

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Tale

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Saga

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Luxael
 
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Gengar84

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Interesting.
Thanks. It’s definitely fascinating what you can do with these new AI art programs but I don’t want that to be a substitute for our own original art. Instead, I think it can be a great source of inspiration to brainstorm ideas for different character design ideas and as a reference to get proportions right. After being initially super impressed by the early Stable Diffusion images of our characters, I actually think I prefer our own overall. The Dall-E 3 images are very impressive though and I think they’ll definitely be useful in improving our future drawings.

Alright, I updated the opening post with the original versions of our characters before the were ever AI edited. The Stable Diffusion versions are cool in their own way but I'm really proud of how our originals came out so I wanted to show those off instead. Still having a lot of fun messing with Dall-E 3's images based on the descriptions of our characters so I'll show a few of them off as I make them too.

Here's a few more characters in Dall-E 3

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Bryce alternate outfit

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Celica alternate outfit

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Mysterious resurrected warrior

And now for some characters that we don't have finalized original drawings of yet but we're just using Dall-E 3 to brainstorm some costume ideas:

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Ashler (modern day)- An ancient warrior hero who defeated a demon god over a thousand years ago but was betrayed by his partner and cursed with immortality

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Jaska - A member of the warrior heroes that defeated the demon god ages ago. He betrayed his party and absorbed the demon's power and cursed the rest of his partners. He is the true main villain of the story.

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Atla - A fierce reptilian warrior that possibly becomes a party member at some point

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Tyrel - The guardian of a sacred desert temple

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Eternal Flame - A mysterious desert warrior

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Taka - A crazy toad hermit who acts as a guide for the party in the jungle

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Tekka - An evil toad sorcerer from the jungle

Here's a few random races and monsters we generated (Ribbit and Chickster are both based on characters I made when I was a little kid)

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Ribbit

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Chickster

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Desert scorpion race
 
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Gengar84

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I made a YouTube channel to share the songs I made in Udio and I made couple more songs that I might as well share. They're based on Sheamus' "Written in My Face" and Chris Jericho's "Judas" themes.

 
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Gengar84

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These are fantastic! How would the RPG work in battles?
Thanks! We’re still trying to figure out the exact mechanics. I’m currently leaning towards something similar to Final Fantasy X’s battle system but I also really like Octopath Traveller’s and Ruined King. I might try to find a way to incorporate elements of each of them and find our own thing that helps it stand on its own.

Something else that could be cool in the future is an SRPG like Fire Emblem. We have tons of characters so that lends itself well to a system like that. The issue is RPG Maker doesn’t let you make SRPGs from what I understand.

Heres a longer version of Ballad of the Crimson Lord from our story. We basically took two different files in Udio and stuck them together in Audacity since Udio had a 4:20 time limit at the time.

 
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Gengar84

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Here's a few other Dall-E 3 generations for our characters


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Aafyre

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Fable

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Kyre - Another one of the four ancient heroes the defeated the demon ages ago

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Yune

And a couple other random monster designs based on characters we made as kids

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Gawakamawli

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Abikka
 
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Gengar84

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Alright, I made a new Smash 6 roster. Like the last one, I tried to balance popular characters the general public really wanted and my own personal choices just to keep things interesting. I tried to make the choices at least semi realistic. For the base roster, I kept it to Ultimate's 84 characters but made a good deal of cuts and additions to keep it fresh even if the total roster isn't larger. I also made three Fighter's Passes to get the roster up to 100 characters by the end of the DLC. I think a slightly more realistic approach is to cut six newcomers from the base game to fill out a fourth fighter's pass so the starting roster is only 78 instead of 84.

So for the base roster, here's what I was thinking:

Base Roster:

Cuts:

Piranha Plant
Dr. Mario
Toon Link
Young Link
Jigglypuff
Pichu
Incineroar
Roy
Corrin
Chrom
Zero Suit Samus
Lucas
Duck Hunt
Wii Fit Trainer
Mii
Bayonetta
Steve
Snake

Newcomers:

Waluigi (Super Mario)
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
Impa (Legend of Zelda)
Zoroark/Hisuian Zoraork (Pokemon)
Team Rocket (Pokemon)
Bandana Dee (Kirby)
Elfilis (Kirby)
Lyn (Fire Emblem)
E.M.M.I. (Metroid)
Octoling (Splatoon)
DJ Octavio (Splatoon)
Elma (Xenoblade)
Officer Howard (Astral Chain)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Dillon (Dillon's Rolling Western)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic)
Zero (Mega Man)
Alphen and Shionne (Tales of)
Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden)


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For the Fighter's passes, I leaned a bit more towards my personal preferences but wanted to keep the choices at least somewhat realistic and be able to make a solid argument for each inclusion.

So here's the breakdown for the first pass:

Fighter's Pass 1:

Jinx (League of Legends)
Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
Rash (Battletoads) with Zitz and Pimple as alts
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors)
Midna (Legend of Zelda)
Bill Rizer (Contra) with Lance Bean as an alt


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For Fighter's Pass 2, I wanted to lead with a first party character, so I went with an iconic Pokemon and one of my most wanted characters:

Fighter's Pass 2:

Gengar (Pokemon)
Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
Magus (Chrono Trigger)
Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
Etna (Disgaea)
Sarah Kerrigan (StarCraft)


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I wanted to start off the last Fighter's Pass with a popular character and end with a big surprise that's both very popular and one that not many expect like Sora:

Fighter's Pass 3:

Yuna (Final Fantasy)
Tails (Sonic)
Kunio (River City) with Riki as an alt
Illidan (WarCraft)
Bomberman (Bomberman)
Scorpion (Mortal Kombat) with Sub-Zero as a semiclone with unique specials, taunts, and final smash


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I like to mix in a good amount of unexpected choices because I feel like it would be boring to only include the most speculated characters with no surprises. I think this final roster does a good job at bringing in a lot of expected fan favorites with characters that no one really saw coming. The final roster size of just over 100 characters post DLC might be a bit too ambitious but I don't think it's impossible, especially if you cut some characters from the base roster for one or two more fighter's passes. Ideally, we'd get cut veterans back periodically separate from the Fighter's Passes at a reduced price.

Other ideas:

I had a few ideas for game modes and other content as well. First, every character will be playable from the start without the need to unlock them but using each character in various modes will unlock alternate outfits, trophies, and other things for them. Each character will have at least one unique model alternate outfit unlocked through completing their classic mode. There will also be a color editor for outfits with limitations for third party characters that don't want certain colors edited.

New side mode: Playable bosses and assist trophies

This mode will allow players to control the game's bosses and assist trophies but they aren't balanced for competitive play. The bosses and trophies don't have any additional moves but the players can control what they do have. I loved being able to play as Master Hand in World of Light so this would be a cool expansion to that. For those wondering why Eggman wasn't on the roster, I think a new playable boss is the perfect spot for him since he wouldn't have to sacrifice the size of his huge mechs to be a normal character.

New side mode: Boss rush mode

Upgrade to Stage Builder
:

In addition to adding many more parts and backgrounds for normal stages, you'll also have the option from the start to select whether you want the stage to be a normal stage, Break the Targets, Board the Platforms, or Race to the Finish. This way players can create their own character specific mini game stages and upload them online without Sakurai having to spend too much development time on it. You'll also be able to select spawn points for each option.

New co-op adventure platforming mode similar to Sub-Space Emissary

Final Thoughts:


I admit that this is probably all a little ambitious and possibly not completely realistic but this would be what I'd consider to be my dream Smash game. It will be interesting to see how much if any of this actually becomes a reality in the next Smash. So what do you think? Would you be happy with this roster and the modes, even if they might be slightly too ambitious? I don't expect everyone to agree with my choices and I admit that a good part of this is personal bias, but that's just part of the fun for me. It would be boring if we didn't each bring our own ideas and flare to the game.
 
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Sudden shift from an RPG concept to a Smash roster is a bit odd... Anyway, really neat concept, I wish you and your brother luck in making it a reality.

I will say, that while the AI stuff can look really good, I still prefer the original drawings. The AI doesn't hold a consistent style and lacks some of the charm you get when you can tell a human hand was involved.

You're brother's style is unrefined but there's clearly a style there. If it's proportions you're worried about I'd honestly recommend just doing more figure studies (especially since AI still messes up anatomy at times too.) Look up an anatomy book/art book/modeling photos or even just comb over the work of an artist you really like. Copying other artists is good practice at least. (Though I'm probably just saying stuff your brother is already doing...)

I'm still trying to find my own style and work on passion projects as well so it's cool to see others doing the same in one of the few places I frequent.

What kind of RPG do you have in mind for this project btw? Super traditional like classic Final Fantasy or were you going to introduce other systems?
 

Gengar84

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Sudden shift from an RPG concept to a Smash roster is a bit odd... Anyway, really neat concept, I wish you and your brother luck in making it a reality.

I will say, that while the AI stuff can look really good, I still prefer the original drawings. The AI doesn't hold a consistent style and lacks some of the charm you get when you can tell a human hand was involved.

You're brother's style is unrefined but there's clearly a style there. If it's proportions you're worried about I'd honestly recommend just doing more figure studies (especially since AI still messes up anatomy at times too.) Look up an anatomy book/art book/modeling photos or even just comb over the work of an artist you really like. Copying other artists is good practice at least. (Though I'm probably just saying stuff your brother is already doing...)

I'm still trying to find my own style and work on passion projects as well so it's cool to see others doing the same in one of the few places I frequent.

What kind of RPG do you have in mind for this project btw? Super traditional like classic Final Fantasy or were you going to introduce other systems?
I mostly posted my Smash roster here so I could find it easily. As for the RPG, we’re thinking of keeping it more traditional like Finsl Fantasy. Specifically, I’d like to use something close to FFX’s battle system. We’re making it in RPG Maker but it’s definitely taking forever. I’d also like to incorporate a Pokemon like system for Ava, where she can capture beasts and use them as allies in battle. I feel like the story concept could work for a lot of genres, an SRPG like Fire Emblem could work great for such a huge cast of characters. We’d limit that down to 8-12 playable characters for a more traditional RPG. We were planning of using the AI images mostly as reference for design inspirations and poses and draw our own images using them as inspiration. Thanks for the feedback.
 
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