frame traps

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What are some good ways to deal with frame traps from fox aside from just avoiding them?

 

[Fireblaster]

Counter by doing your own fastest moves. For mario/luigi/pikachu/samus/DK you can pretty much just use upB. It depends on the character.

 

[asianaussie]

Some characters, like Link, just have trouble getting out. Even Link's jab has a pathetically long delay before coming out.

 

[Fireblaster]

Link is just too slow at everything. His best options are rolling away and shield jump Dair and these options are pretty bleak. It exemplifies even more how crucial it is for link to play keep away (reminds me of Nu in BB)

 

[asianaussie]

Link is just too slow at everything. His best options are rolling away and shield jump Dair and these options are pretty bleak. It exemplifies even more how crucial it is for link to play keep away (reminds me of Nu in BB)

Up-B out of shield can work, but there is a chance that the second, fixed low KB hit of the spin will connect, rendering any knockback pointless.

 

[DMoogle]

Up-B out of shield can work, but there is a chance that the second, fixed low KB hit of the spin will connect, rendering any knockback pointless.

It still comes out way too slow. Link also (I'm pretty sure) has the longest jumping lag out of everyone. All of his out-of-shield options are extremely slow.

 

[Fireblaster]

Up-B out of shield can work, but there is a chance that the second, fixed low KB hit of the spin will connect, rendering any knockback pointless.

up B out of shield is slower than the options I've listed. Not only that, but I have the personal experience that basically tells me upB out of shield is not very good. So many times that I was trapped in my shield just to hear the typical "SKRRAAAA" scream followed by link getting grabbed or jabbed with no UpB coming out.

 

[asianaussie]

It still comes out way too slow. Link also (I'm pretty sure) has the longest jumping lag out of everyone. All of his out-of-shield options are extremely slow.

Yeah, I'm so used to Link's jumping lag that I find running U-Smashes to be difficult with Pika/Mario.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

just jumping out normally or jump out nair/dair, rolling can work too >_>

 

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I think I should have said this in the OP but I'm a falcon main.

All of this "link can do X" won't help me a bit.

 

[SheerMadness]

With Yoshi you parry.

 

[Fireblaster]

OOS = Out of shield

For falcon your best choices are pretty much OOS usmash or shieldgrab. If you're playing one of those fox players that think it's hilarious to dash pivot behind you and jab then I guess you could either try jumping away or Jump dairing.

 

[rpotts]

COME TO JCCC TONIGHT

me and the other fox player are exactly as fireblaster described. lol "hilarious to pivot jab behind you" lol yup

 

[Tambor]

If you're playing one of those fox players that think it's hilarious to dash pivot behind you

way to make me feel guilty

 

[Daedatheus]

Falcon's usmash is crazy fast, and although his roll is very slow it can be used in certain situations... Don't bother with his jab in that situation though.