Frame data question

[Illuminado]

Hey all, hope you're all well.

Just wondering if any of you know the answer or have the means to find out. If I use the auto sh nair with Marcina and fast fall on the first possible frame after the nair two connects, what frame do I land on? More specifically, how many frames does it take for you to fast fall to the ground after nair two connecting. Thanks in advance if anything knows this! I'm trying to math something :D

 

[Vipermoon]

Marth's SHFF is 28 frame air time IIRC. So he'll land on 29 and take 7 frames of landing lag. So after a SH Nair FF, Marth can shield on F36.
(Lucina too)

 

[Illuminado]

Marth's SHFF is 28 frame air time IIRC. So he'll landing on 29 and take 7 frames of landing lag. So after a SH Nair FF, Marth can shield on F36.
(Lucina too)

Hey Vipermoon ^^

You sure on this one? So rising SHnair into a ff on the first possible frame only results in only one frame of "fall time" until you hit the ground and then start the 7 frame landing lag from nair?
That's basically my question here. Like you're fast falling from the apex of a frame perfect rising SH nair as soon as possible. Basically feel like there must be more than one frame in it (though not many) , but I'm not used to eyeballing such things. Haha.

 

[Vipermoon]

Hey Vipermoon ^^

You sure on this one? So rising SHnair into a ff on the first possible frame only results in only one frame of "fall time" until you hit the ground and then start the 7 frame landing lag from nair?
That's basically my question here. Like you're fast falling from the apex of a frame perfect rising SH nair as soon as possible. Basically feel like there must be more than one frame in it (though not many) , but I'm not used to eyeballing such things. Haha.

Who said Marth is falling for one frame? The air time includes the time he's falling, however long that takes. His normal short hop is 41 frames of air time, his SHFF is 28 frames of air time.

However, I forgot to mention jumpsquat. So inputting this from a neutral position on the ground, with JS being 3 frames, Marth can shield on frame 39.

 

[Illuminado]

Who said Marth is falling for one frame? The air time includes the time he's falling, however long that takes. His normal short hop is 41 frames of air time, his SHFF is 28 frames of air time.

However, I forgot to mention jumpsquat. So inputting this from a neutral position on the ground, with JS being 3 frames, Marth can shield on frame 39.

Sorry was just me misunderstanding. Your answer was perfect, its just the bit of info was inside and I didn't properly register it! Hah. Basically, nair ends on 21, ff begins on 22 and ends on 28 with landing on 29. So the fast fall is 6 frames.

Thanks for the answer!

 

[Vipermoon]

Sorry was just me misunderstanding. Your answer was perfect, its just the bit of info was inside and I didn't properly register it! Hah. Basically, nair ends on 21, ff begins on 22 and ends on 28 with landing on 29. So the fast fall is 6 frames.

Thanks for the answer!

We don't know what frame the fast fall begins, as it is able to happen at the apex of a jump and we don't know when that is on Marth without testing (it's as easy as training mode frame-by-frame, which I used to get the 28F air time). It makes no difference what move or hitbox you have out, so Nair2's hitbox ending after 21 doesn't matter.