Fox's Compass Directions

[th3kuzinator]

inb4 "just use a controller nub, pwnd, ownd, 100% jajaja" etc.

SO

Honestly, I am tired of getting straight up gimped because of my not being able to take advantage of fox's recovery due to my being silly and learning smash on a keyboard. I was wondering if ANYONE had any idea where to proceed in creating some sort of macro/modifier/way to allow us kb users to use these non compass directions for pika and foxs recovery + link neut. b. I have ABSOLUTELY no idea of what I am talking about when it comes to making modifiers or addons for this game so the suggestions I am about to tentatively make may be just complete garbage.

The way I see it,
Either 1. Someone could find a way to configure p64k's to allow the keyboard movement with a controller stick add on (plug in a controller, lay it next to your computer and use this for recoveries only)

or

2. Just map buttons that are the directions in-between the current compass directions which would total 16 directions (plenty enough for me.)

Also, I was told by someone that in cases of extreme lag you could somehow BUFFER the upb to allow non compass directions (LOL IF THATS TRUE! Starking was in the conversation with me at the time, so he may be able to remember who said it because I sure dont)

These are all just ideas, but it would be really cool if us kb users got non-compass directions too. Any help is appreciated.

 

[asianaussie]

users of link and pikachu cry out for the same thing.

you would probably need to assign a key for those specific directions >_>

 

[ballin4life]

Buy an adapter

 

[Olikus]

N64 controller ftw!

 

[Near²]

macro's or any other type of modifier would further even more the "fake smash" beliefs. just get a controller and learn how to use it

 

[th3kuzinator]

macro's or any other type of modifier would further even more the "fake smash" beliefs. just get a controller and learn how to use it

i understand that argument, but it is just allowing kb players to do what can be done normally on a controller. I am not talking about a rapid fire macro, just something to give more directions.

 

[Olikus]

At least dont use perfect djc and things like that. I have nothing against kb, but that is just to fake.

 

[blaze3927]

At least dont use perfect djc and things like that. I have nothing against kb, but that is just to fake.

when a tap B really fast with my thumb i can easily do luigi's full tornado recovery, yet it hurts my thumb something chronic, probably will give me arthritis too.
so whats the problem with substituting that for a rapid fire b micro?

 

[Near²]

so whats the problem with substituting that for a rapid fire b micro?

because it's fake

simple as that.

 

[blaze3927]

because it's fake

simple as that.

and if i hardwire a rapidfire and dont use a macro?

 

[NixxxoN]

Fox recovery is **** anyway, no matter the controller, so dont worry

 

[TANK64]

and if i hardwire a rapidfire and dont use a macro?

That's fake too. Besides no one does that for smash 64. Just COD kids.
The whole point is you have to do the work everytime.
and if you mess up sometimes... well, then you didn't do it perfect.

I can do a rising falcon punch everytime, but that doesn't mean I should macro it.
Do you see my point?

and if you're really going to get arthritis- play something slower ....like Brawl

 

[rawrimamonster]

I just learned to predict peoples gimping. Unless someone can program button slides to immitate more angles of the recovery (which they wont) you're just gonna have to use your brains when you're off the ledge.

Stay away from the ledges, dont get grabbed, move out of gimping range when recovering and assess peoples possible angles and possibilities of edgeguarding you and predict the most likely one they'll use against you and abuse getting around it.

Things like drills are entirely di'able or predictable (along with some stomps). I've DI'd kirby's drill right into it and back on the stage again, same with mario, luigi and yoshi's flutter kick.

 

[SSBPete]

and if i hardwire a rapidfire and dont use a macro?

i dig your sig

 

[Battlecow]

Yeah, no macros, dudes. We get hax DI, we sacrifice some things. If we go all Maddy and hax our stuff, it gets unfair real quick.

 

[The Star King]

Also, I was told by someone that in cases of extreme lag you could somehow BUFFER the upb to allow non compass directions (LOL IF THATS TRUE! Starking was in the conversation with me at the time, so he may be able to remember who said it because I sure dont)

I don't remember who said it either, but to be honest it sounded like complete bull**** to me. Anyways, I'm personally not really bothered by being limited to 8 directions, but maybe that's just me.

@Battlecow You're thinking of Mad-Fighter.

 

[dandan]

Yeah, no macros, dudes. We get hax DI, we sacrifice some things. If we go all Mahie (or was that craiig?) and hax our stuff, it gets unfair real quick.

don't just go out calling names buddy jk
mahie uses proper range and just has amazing di, moreso just because he knows where to di in each situation. i would not feel bad to say from all the online players i have played mahie has the best di.
craig changed his range for like a day for the lols, and yea it was hax, dair him with mario for example and he suddenly was like half of hyrule's middle platform away, but he stopped it after we all said it was funny but inappropriate.

 

[th3kuzinator]

don't just go out calling names buddy jk
mahie uses proper range and just has amazing di, moreso just because he knows where to di in each situation. i would not feel bad to say from all the online players i have played mahie has the best di.
craig changed his range for like a day for the lols, and yea it was hax, dair him with mario for example and he suddenly was like half of hyrule's middle platform away, but he stopped it after we all said it was funny but inappropriate.

how does changing your range affect your DI?

 

[Olikus]

The problem with cheating blaze, is that its not fun for those who dont cheat, and you dont use any skills. Therefore dont use perfect marcos when you play serious matches. Its like playing bowling with a fence.

 

[Mahie]

how does changing your range affect your DI?

You can make very small QCDIs I guess (As in being very close to the neutral point instead of on the edge of the stick, if that makes sense).

@Battlecow : I only do legit stuff, and as far as we know, so does Maddy. Craig doesn't use keyboard anyway.

@rawrimamonster : Yeah, your opponent can think as well you know, and the options you have are very limited. If you play a Fox ditto game using only 8 directions to recover, well, you'll never make it back.

 

[rawrimamonster]

Edit: Lol forget it, not worth my time to respond to an obvious troll

 

[dandan]

Edit: Lol forget it, not worth my time to respond to an obvious troll

lol i think he was being serious

 

[Mahie]

Edit: Lol forget it, not worth my time to respond to an obvious troll

Yes, I was dead serious.

 

[rawrimamonster]

Its ok dandan those that troll like that are just covering for their own shattered ego when they see a better player.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Its ok dandan those that troll like that are just covering for their own shattered ego when they see a better player.

this comment makes it seem as if you have the shattered ego rawr. Just saying

inb4 "i was just kidding dude, mahie is legit"

 

[The Star King]

I only do legit stuff, and as far as we know, so does Maddy.

Maddy himself said he uses a soft up + a macro for utilts/uairs, and also craiigg said in the East Coast vs. Europe thread that he sometimes uses a shine shieldbreak macro.

 

[blaze3927]

lol range changing the range isnt hax, i couldn't djc ness shield breakers until i lowered the threshold and increased the range. i use xbox controller so my djc probably is considered hax. rolling the cstick is a lot faster than button tapping.
for di range doesnt change much for me, Di isnt hard.
i use a macro for down b though, like i said, it hurts my thumb.
so when it comes to using different controllers are they considered hacks? theres one officially licensed n64 controller that has rapid fire.

 

[th3kuzinator]

for a keyboard, what should the normal settings be if you are using nrage? What is the normal analog stick range and what happens when you put it higher and lower?

I am a noob with plugins.

Also does deadzone and threshold even apply to kb? I see those two words alot

 

[rawrimamonster]

this comment makes it seem as if you have the shattered ego rawr. Just saying

inb4 "i was just kidding dude, mahie is legit"

trolls trolling trolls dude, idgaf who he is lol.

 

[Battlecow]

lol range changing the range isnt hax, i couldn't djc ness shield breakers until i lowered the threshold and increased the range. i use xbox controller so my djc probably is considered hax. rolling the cstick is a lot faster than button tapping.
for di range doesnt change much for me, Di isnt hard.
i use a macro for down b though, like i said, it hurts my thumb.
so when it comes to using different controllers are they considered hacks? theres one officially licensed n64 controller that has rapid fire.

Lol remind me never to play you. Seriously, if you hax everything that you "can" do, you... ah, ****it, whatever. You get one angry face though. >.<

 

[Fireblaster]

lol range changing the range isnt hax, i couldn't djc ness shield breakers until i lowered the threshold and increased the range. i use xbox controller so my djc probably is considered hax. rolling the cstick is a lot faster than button tapping.
for di range doesnt change much for me, Di isnt hard.
i use a macro for down b though, like i said, it hurts my thumb.
so when it comes to using different controllers are they considered hacks? theres one officially licensed n64 controller that has rapid fire.

Autofire is a macro. Using a macro in any competitive game is considered a hack/cheating. There's no arguing around it. Some tournaments won't allow you to use a third party controller and some will let you use it but keep a close watch on you so that you're not using it.

Hell, most arcade sticks have an autofire feature built into them but the tournament hosts dont ban all those fightsticks or almost no one would be able to play.

Either way, this simple rule stands. Can you do it on a normal controller? If not, then you're cheating.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Either way, this simple rule stands. Can you do it on a normal controller? If not, then you're cheating.

can you use fox's upb in any direction on a controller?: yes

can you on keyboard?: no

:sadface:

 

[rawrimamonster]

can you use fox's upb in any direction on a controller?: yes

can you on keyboard?: no

:sadface:

It was said best long ago, don't get grabbed. Along with what I said earlier in the thread thats the best advice i think that can be given.

 

[Olikus]

Either way, this simple rule stands. Can you do it on a normal controller? If not, then you're cheating.

This is the golden rule of ssb 64.

 

[Battlecow]

I believe that would be "Don't get hit", actually.

 

[Olikus]

It doesnt have much value if you cheat. But if you dont, sure dont get hit is more than a rule. Its your destiny.

 

[Fireblaster]

I believe that would be "Don't get hit", actually.

"Don't get hit unless you're a jagoff that uses specialized joystick settings, macros, or a keyboard"

 

[rawrimamonster]

"Don't get hit unless you're a jagoff that uses specialized joystick settings, macros, or a keyboard"

Lol I've seen more hax di'ing with people on controller than keyboard, just saying.

 

[Battlecow]

Hey man, don't call us Jagoffs. I use KB, and I'll have you know that my DI is terrible.

 

[rawrimamonster]

Hey man, don't call us Jagoffs. I use KB, and I'll have you know that my DI is terrible.

Lawl I've been playing on keyboard far too many years now and my DI seems..just right. Huge DI is easier to follow anyway.