fox upthrow questions

[knightpraetor]

so it seems that a lot of people fail to get full di when they get upthrown..which is sorta slowing down my improvement with fox...they're too easy to hit..they'll be partial di which isn't that hard to follow from the jump without a dash

anyways, i can still follow people like marth or sheik if I upthrow and they di away. but is is possible to get them when they di fully behind you? In one match i did get it off by turning around and dashing to a short hopped upair..but they could have just jumped out..i'm wondering if it's possible to hit them with a full jumped upair when they di fully behind you?

anyways, vid of someone following up with an upair from a full di behind at higher damages would be nice to watch..maybe i'm doing something wrong..or just describe it..

 

[FastFox]

Think of it this way.

A sheik of marth player knows that u-airs **** them, so they're going to try and DI away from you to prevent being hit. A nice thing to do sometimes is either wait for them to attack while in the air and land, then go for a grab, or just jump up with a bair. Make sure it's not at a lower damage, or you're going to get fair'd by both of them, especially Sheik. Just mix it up. Your best friend is unpredictable-ness.

 

[knightpraetor]

so i'm correct then in thinking that i can't actually reach them if they full di in time before they have a chance to act?

 

[FastFox]

You can reach them, but it's hard and probably unnecessary at times.

 

[knightpraetor]

so to reach them in time though is it a full jumped upair or a shorthopped one?

 

[Zgetto]

so to reach them in time though is it a full jumped upair or a shorthopped one?

that depends on which character your playing against.
if its against fox, falco or falcon at low percent you probably have to short hop.(on high percent you have to full jump)
but if its a floaty character you have to fulljump(or even double jump).
it really depends on the situation.

 

[FastFox]

Uh, don't EVER jump up to a character like Samus, Luigi, or maybe Jiggs if they're at a lower damage. Well, don't do it unless you're smart, or you're going to get kicked in the head. Or slapped.

 

[Wilhelmsan]

I wouldn't say don't ever. Upthrow works on Samus, because if they pull the nair out..then you can Bair them in the back.

Luigi, though...I am so scared of Luigi.

 

[Hylian]

I wouldn't say don't ever. Upthrow works on Samus, because if they pull the nair out..then you can Bair them in the back.

Luigi, though...I am so scared of Luigi.

It doesn't work on samus if she bombs and she can also jump first.

 

[SirNegroJuice]

Even if Jiggs attacks you, often your u-air will hit her too. And I believe it hurts her more since she may then be vulnerable for another aerial. But I would agree that Luigi needs to be dealt with less aggressively.

 

[Oskurito]

Yeah it's possible just be quick >_>

Apart from that I think you can Up throw Uiar combo samus at 0% (like that would happen). But when I up throw samus I usually run away and shoot her you can also wait them to do the kick (nair) and then hit them. And as fast fox said unpredictable-ness is your best friend.

 

[knightpraetor]

so ya today i played maybe 8 rounds of smash against 2 people with fox...won 6..and i got a lot of practice upairing...a lot of practice...i could see how someone would get at that if they mained fox for awhile..maybe i won't have to do it in training mode just have enough matches..but ya...both vs sheiks...i'm not that great with fox yet..not one of my mains just an amusement at the moment...but i'm getting better...i like using him for tech skill practice..

but is it possible for sheik to di down from an upthrow? it was weird but i swear at some damages i felt like i needed to short hop the nair..maybe they are smash diing that angle? oh wait but the upthrow isn't smash diable is it?

anyways, if someone could tell me whether i hallucinated or there is a way for a sheik to make me upair and need to shorthop from the throw then i'd be appreciative

maybe at really low percentages if they full di by the time i can run to them they are low enough that i need to shorthop?

 

[Pye]

I think you're too hellbent on landing that upair. Your playstyle needs to be flexible. Sometimes it's better to pick the less effective, but more likely to land option in a combo. In this case, that's the bair over the uair. The uair is stronger and overall better, but chances are it will whiff.

Which is better: Land the bair, cut the combo shorter and do a little less damage? Or completely whiffing the uair, dealing no extra damage, and taking a hit in the lag? Fox is easily comboed, the ideal choice for ANY situation, imo, is the one that results in you not taking a hit when it's over.

EDIT: Also, to answer your questions, first off, no throw is SDI'able except jiggs' fthrow. Second, I'm not completely sure, but I don't think DIing Fox's uthrow down would do anything. Shiek just dosn't go very high at low %s is all.

 

[knightpraetor]

ah ok...well pye i'm still confused..if i learn the timing for the upair to 95% accuracy or something shouldn't i be hitting them before they have a chance to act? in which case there isn't anything they cna do to punish me...unless you're suggesting they might DI out of the second hit and punish me.

But regardless, like i said, i'm new to fox..i really have little clue still as to when the better times are to bair or nair (i was kinda confused..falcos don't seem to like using the nair much except if they really di far away) instead of upair..

i'm basically a foxn00b who can sorta waveshine infinite and play with the random tech stuff...my real mains are probably sheik falcon, and marth..

and i'm better with falco than with fox probably..but i don't mind learning..it's just i don't really see why i'd miss..

 

[Deleted member]

if your main was sheik, how did you solve this problem.

bair is fine, however uair is possible if you are okay