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For the Opening Pitch~

Steelia

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Link to original post: [drupal=2563]For the Opening Pitch~[/drupal]



Do people actually READ these things?

Quiet... So very quiet.
I just discovered these things exist. Carry on.

In the meantime, for whatever reason, the first thing that popped into my mind was to rant on something about Brawl. Because, this is a Smash-oriented forum, so it's only natural. And I feel the need to make people argue amongst themselves, or to possibly question their motifs for such things.

I'm seeking the argument of stumping... Perhaps I'm thinking too philosophically for my answers.

Brawl disappointed me so severely, not because of the loss of wavedashing (who cares about THAT anymore, heh heh), not because of no L-canceling (I'm just learning how to use that effectively), not even because of the "major" changes in game physics (while I must admit that does still linger)...

I absolutely hated the roster representation, I hate how much hype it has garnered, and yes... the fanbase does a very poor job of representing, too.

I'll start from the bottom.

The fanbase feels the need to ALWAYS be right. ALWAYS be superior. ALWAYS feel that they are invincible in the face of both of Brawl's older siblings Melee and 64. While it would be utterly foolish to not recognize that Brawl is THE superior Smash game in terms of... well, everything, the fans that try so hard to support it end up doing it more harm than good. Most quarrel on so much as the slightest joke towards the title; since when did people become so pathetic that they are butt-hurt by the simplest of statements?
I'll bet someone just rushed to the comment box just to defend themselves on that note.

The hype. Sakurai, what have you done. This is where my respect for the [gaming] media lost anything close of noteworthy. You swear, they get off to this kind of stuff, giving it "perfect" scores when we all know that nothing in this world is perfect. Was it because of the enduring pressure of so many brainwashed fanboys and fangirls they felt the need to give such high scores? What did they play it, just a day? So... so sorry.

Then, the biggest factor of all. The magnificent and almighty roster.
Yay for Sonic!... and that's... really the only DOJO!! update I nearly shed tears for.

Super Smash Bros. 64 had an excellent start-up. Mario, Samus, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Luigi, Captain Falcon, Ness, Pikachu, Link, Fox, even Jigglypuff (who surprisingly once had a lot of popularity outside Japan).

Super Smash Bros. Melee was even better, adding on to the popular franchises with even more respectable characters. Bowser, Peach, Ganondorf, Falco, Zelda, Sheik (a pleasant surprise), Mewtwo, Mr. Game & Watch (yes, he is rather famous), even Pichu (who was arguably quite popular in the Gold/Silver days, just as history repeats itself and its popular yet again in the HeartGold/SoulSilver days... especially Japan). All this, and bringing back the ENTIRE first roster of the original game.
...And now you can play as Master Hand without cheat codes. Oh, the wonders.

And then,
you have Brawl.
Olimar, Pit, Zero Suit Samus, R.O.B., Lucario, Pokemon Trainer, Meta Knight (believe it or not, Meta Knight was actually scorned [almost as bad as he is now] for being such an unknown character), Diddy Kong. Where's the motivation? Where's the representation? Where are the FEMALES? Most of these characters are either way too retro, washed-up has-beens who should've been at least in MELEE when they were still popular, or thrown in just to represent modernization. Arguably, only Ike, Dedede, Sonic, WIND WAKER Link, Wario, and MAYBE even Wolf and Lucas were the closest to "popular" additions we got. But that's it. That's it! No one really sticks out of the crowd compared to the first two games, other than Sonic, who's so washed up he's actually learning how to swim. (Sorry, Sonic.)

Just... unbelievable. And then characters were cut. Cutting characters? Just what we need in this great franchise. Who's to say we will no longer see Ike, or Lucario, in the next game, despite the fact they're originals and have only appeared once?
Granted. Most of the cuts consisted of the more unpopular clones, and of course the infamous cat who was greatly under-represented... but, HELLO, my good people! Do you all have boxed minds! Have you heard of a little something called BEEFING? Brawl's Bowser would like... no, LOVE... to have a word with you if you haven't.

There.
That's all I wanted.

Venting. Feels pretty good, actually, just to get my thoughts out in a more "private" space on the 'net.

Likely, someone'll probably come by here, and if you made it this far... anti-Melee, anti-Brawl, anti-64, even anti-Smash, I applaud you sincerely.

Now get out of here while I think of something else controversial to type about. Probably about Sakurai... Yeahhhh... Sounds like the perfect point for my next assault...

*insertclosingredcurtainshere*
 

INSANE CARZY GUY

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I read this because I thought it said for the opening pichu. good rant I was amazed by all the cuts and surprized by most of the added people I was hoping for balloon fighter he was and other meant for melee but said F*** it and 3 other nes charcters and ditto and we got the ice climbers and I LOVE thems.

Again good rant. I,m going to walk out before I get stabed for saying BS or brawl s.
 

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Super Smash Bros. 64 had an excellent start-up. Mario, Samus, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Luigi, Captain Falcon, Ness, Pikachu, Link, Fox, even Jigglypuff (who surprisingly once had a lot of popularity outside Japan).

Super Smash Bros. Melee was even better, adding on to the popular franchises with even more respectable characters. Bowser, Peach, Ganondorf, Falco, Zelda, Sheik (a pleasant surprise), Mewtwo, Mr. Game & Watch (yes, he is rather famous), even Pichu (who was arguably quite popular in the Gold/Silver days, just as history repeats itself and its popular yet again in the HeartGold/SoulSilver days... especially Japan). All this, and bringing back the ENTIRE first roster of the original game.
...And now you can play as Master Hand without cheat codes. Oh, the wonders.

Maybe it's because I'm younger than G&W, but I really doubt a lot of Smash fans knew who he was when they got him in Melee.

And then,
you have Brawl.
Olimar, Pit, Zero Suit Samus, R.O.B., Lucario, Pokemon Trainer, Meta Knight (believe it or not, Meta Knight was actually scorned [almost as bad as he is now] for being such an unknown character), Diddy Kong. Where's the motivation? Where's the representation?

I like Brawl's representation. Olimar represents the Pikmin series, Pit represents the Famicom/NES/Retro games (albeit along with some others), R.O.B. was a Trojan horse that got the NES to America, Lucario represents the 4th Generation of Pokemon, PT represents Pokemon as a whole (I mean, really. He's the main character of every game, I'm surprised they didn't add him earlier), Diddy Kong represented the DKC series well, since he's the second most important character in DKC (and got his own game). I'll give you Meta Knight.

Where are the FEMALES?

Oh, not one of you. There's nothing that makes me *facepalm* more than Smash fans having this complaint. Having female anatomy shouldn't make you more likely than any other character, if you're important, you get it, if you're female and unimportant, you shouldn't get in because of tokenism.

Most of these characters are either way too retro

And therefore represent the retro Nintendo series well (let me remind you that you supported the inclusion of G&W, one of the (if not THE) most obscure characters on the Brawl roster, in your paragraph about Melee characters)

washed-up has-beens who should've been at least in MELEE when they were still popular

Sonic is the only one who comes to mind, but he's still popular with a loooot of people.

or thrown in just to represent modernization.

If they're newer, more people know them, more people support them, and therefore they have a higher chance of getting in in the first place.

Arguably, only Ike, Dedede, Sonic, WIND WAKER Link, Wario, and MAYBE even Wolf and Lucas were the closest to "popular" additions we got.

And Diddy.

But that's it. That's it! No one really sticks out of the crowd compared to the first two games, other than Sonic, who's so washed up he's actually learning how to swim. (Sorry, Sonic.)

Just... unbelievable. And then characters were cut. Cutting characters? Just what we need in this great franchise. Who's to say we will no longer see Ike, or Lucario, in the next game, despite the fact they're originals and have only appeared once?
Granted. Most of the cuts consisted of the more unpopular clones, and of course the infamous cat who was greatly under-represented... but, HELLO, my good people! Do you all have boxed minds! Have you heard of a little something called BEEFING? Brawl's Bowser would like... no, LOVE... to have a word with you if you haven't.

The only cut characters a lot of people complain about are Mewtwo (who, in all honesty, didn't deserve to be cut), and to a lesser extent Roy, who was not only a clone, but has no chance of returning now because A. He's been replaced by newer lords in the FE series and B. He was already cut once :p
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My only gripes with brawl are the few moves that are just wtf way too good. Like snake's utilt. The kill power is fine. The range on it is not. You have to be like a character width and a half away from snake in order to not get hit by utilt. It's dumb.

The cast...overall is fine, IMO. I don't know everything about every game franchise so I don't know what characters only played small roles or whatever, but does it really matter? Ultimately this game has no story, it's just random characters with moves based off what they did in their respective games, duking it out. I'll just be crossing my fingers for Terra in the next SSB, because that would be epic ;)
 

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(Hmm. I wonder why it won't allow me to reply directly? Ah well.)

I'll be honest, I'm quite amazed people saw this so quickly, and didn't/haven't gnawed my neck off. o_o

@altairian: I totally forgot about the balance issues in Brawl, shoot.
The main reason I'm not fond of the roster is only because, personally, I really don't feel it to be very "inspired". SSB64 and Melee seemed more thought out (save most of the clones), but Brawl was kind of... random. No real foundation to it, no real motive.

@Clownbot: To get back at your points~

I wouldn't blame you for G&W. :p

The characters, I'm aware were INTENDED to do representing. But as noted, I just don't find it to be very inspired... exciting, that's the word I'm looking for. Then Sakurai didn't even give the major franchises that much loving, either, and that was what I was looking forward to most were additions to those (like to the Metroid and Mario side of things). Also, being a Pkmn fan, I really liked the concept of Pkmn Trainer... on paper. But while Charizard is my #1 fave Pokemon, doesn't give me second thoughts on how Pkmn Trainer... doesn't... really feel all that right; you pretty much figure he'll just be a one-time character.

The only (or rather, one of the only) reasons I bring up the females, is because... Sakurai himself noted he'd try to get more reps for them in. More empty promises with no satisfaction.

I don't really consider Diddy all that popular anymore. Really, when was the last time you heard ANYone mention him outside of Brawl these days, let alone DK? "Oh, I want to see Diddy Kong racing 2 now!" ...Not exactly.

As for cuts, I'm completely against it, and brought it up mainly because I fear there may come a time when more characters like the amazing Mewtwo will not see another Smash title again... despite the fact they were original, and had support behind them, only because the box-minded ranters cannot see that improvements ARE possible. Since when are things ever "perfect" only one time around? I know I do rough drafts before I make final copies.

Nice points, though. :)

@INSANE CARZY GUY: LMAO, now I see how you could've seen that. And yeah, I try not to get too worked up, either. I'm hoping my next vent will be a little more obscure. :p
 

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Yeah when I played melee I was like holy S*** is jigglypuff freakin sweet, and I was like DDUUUUDDDEEE is freakin pichu that amazingly cool same for the stage I had tp earn everyone I unlocked. brawl it's beyond to easy with the worse story mode I,ve ever had the misforunte to play. and they did set-up up people in the wmost retarted/gay ways ever I WAS going to play brawl claim my brawl skill came from melee. But what I saw was laser locks, beyond broken chain throws more than wobbleing. I just things like king dedede must learn how to chain throw if you want to win. I saw SD tatic that are just plain gay, I olimar gayness, I saw many infi.s I come from a game with wobbling, waveshinneing someone on a wall, melee sheik, but brawl has much much more. I step back and forget both veiws and looked for something I didn't find anything respectable.

It's just me I guess
 

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@Steelia: I see. Thanks for addressing everything, and sorry if my post came off as rude or anything of the sort (I know you didn't mention that, I was just worried because looking back I seemed a bit, erm, assertive in my points. :laugh:).
 

Steelia

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^ Oh no, I didn't take any offense/see any rudeness with your points at all. Just answering productively, which is what I was looking forward to people doing, rather than going on the mad-dog full-out offensive with flaming swords and shields. :p
 
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