Event - E3 Invitational 2014 First Smash Wii-U gameplay, what do you think?

[Morrigan]

http://meleeiton.me/2014/06/10/invitational-impressions/

soul crushing

A... tier list?

 

[SKM_NeoN]

Game will be fun, just not still-playing-it-years-and-years-later fun like Melee. Overall a bit disappointed.

Edit: As a side note, Project M Wii U will be A-MAY-ZEEEENG!

 

[Jonte]

I found an interesting comment from a Reddit AMA reply from the guy who is going to play tomorrow as Little Mac.

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...ash_invitational_participants_players/ci4ftk8

This is very interesting if it's a serious approach Nintendo is taking.

 

[Tenguman]

I guess the difference is I don't live in front of my TV playing the game for hours trying to get combos and techniques perfect .

Which is what makes a fighting game GOOD and adds longevity to a game. if a game is too easy with not much depth, the meta game gets figured out too quickly and people get bored.

and actually appreciate a game for how it plays instead of say, comparing every aspect to Melee because I pray to the Melee gods every night.

deal with the fact that every smash game in the future will be compared to melee because melee did alot of things right. and you didn't need to learn every technique to play melee.

a game can be played on different levels both casual and competitive. and both sides are needed for this game to suceed. casuals are needed to grow the playerbase and sales; competitive scene is needed so the game doesnt die out. just look at melee revival.

If it wasn't for the competitive smash scene imo this event would never of happened.

 

[Hydde]

Looks pretty much likely like Brawl.

Ken comments about no doble fair with Marth, and that the guy feels sluggish as i expected...killed it for me.

Brace yourselves-...Brawl 2 is coming.

Unless they GREATLY improve this game...

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

I found an interesting comment from a Reddit AMA reply from the guy who is going to play tomorrow as Little Mac.

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...ash_invitational_participants_players/ci4ftk8

This is very interesting if it's a serious approach Nintendo is taking.

Thank you for posting this. This gives me hope.

 

[Gazdakka Gizbang]

If its online isn't a letdown, I'll probably be playing it for quite a while. Seems to be closer to Brawl than Melee, and I think it's unlikely that it's going to swing the other way through patches or updates. So not a replacement to Melee/PM, but hopefully not boring like Brawl.

 

[Crendog]

The gameplay is faster than brawl and close to melee's speed, and it looks less floatier than Brawl. I view these as good changes, I thought Brawl was too floaty, and its great that they found a medium between the flatness of brawl and the high speed of melee

 

[luigijerk]

I get a kick out of this thread. A few people say "looks more like brawl than melee" then a flood of people say "STOP SAYING THIS GAME IS TERRIBLE!!!"

 

[Tenguman]

i will reserve judgement until the final product is released, but for now, looks like nintendo has open ears so if you guys are not happy with the way things are, then be constructive and let your voice be heard.

 

[Gazdakka Gizbang]

They're asking about the tournament scene in Roundtable....

(UPDATE): Was interested in the tourney enthusiasm, wants to support by making more games like Smash.

Let's see how that pans out. Not holding out on it though, I'm pretty sure what we saw is reflective of the final product.

 

[ryuu seika]

My impression: Like Brawl but good.
I mean, that wasn't anything spectacularly new but it was fun to watch. Something Brawl absolutely wasn't. That alone gives me hope.

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

I posted something similar in another thread, but I would just like to point out that characters moving faster than they did in Brawl does not mean that the game is in-between Melee and Brawl because of character speed. All it affects is how fast the characters move, not what the characters are actually doing or what the gameplay is like. The fact is that the gameplay seems to highly resemble only Brawl because it rewards slow-paced defensive play. (Of course, these are only first impressions, and the game is unfinished.)

 

[Sarej]

Just give it more time, when the game is finished people will find new exploits so to speak and everyone will be happy. Brawl was a bit ****ty due to tripping and that really hurt the competitive play... That and well M2K said it himself, Meta Knight felt like a Melee character unlike everyone else.

 

[Hydde]

If its true they are taking notes to make the game feel better... then maybe it has some hope.

For starters... it seems they need to fix the lag characters have. It donesnt let them combo it seems, Fix that first

I posted something similar in another thread, but I would just like to point out that characters moving faster than they did in Brawl does not mean that the game is in-between Melee and Brawl because of character speed. All it affects is how fast the characters move, not what the characters are actually doing or what the gameplay is like. The fact is that the gameplay seems to highly resemble only Brawl because it rewards slow-paced defensive play. (Of course, these are only first impressions, and the game is unfinished.)

spot on.

Sonic was super fast in Brwal for example... but he never felt nowhere near as fluid as any melee character.

Is not only about speed... but about all emchanics as a whole.

 

[Broasty]

As of right now, it looks like Brawl 2.0. I really hope Nintendo listens to the people who actually play the game often and take the feedback seriously. No Dash-Dancing? Really? At least Brawl let you do that, even though you'd eventually trip.

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

Prog tweeted: "The game is a work in progress, but they are listening and asking for advice. For that and the opportunity, #ThankYouNintendo".

Add that to http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...ash_invitational_participants_players/ci4ftk8 from earlier in the thread, and it definitely seems that Nintendo is asking for feedback from the invitational players and being receptive. This is good news.

 

[Piefrenzy]

I'd say it's probably like 80% Brawl, 10% Melee, 10% it's own game. Slightly faster than Brawl, but no where near as complex as Melee with some other stuff that wasn't in Brawl. RIP

People can't say that "we should enjoy it for how it plays and not compare it to Melee" because Melee is like the cornerstone of Smash. I didn't have my hopes too high for it to be a Melee 2, but I'm still a little sad. Hopefully they will greatly consider the suggestions people have for the game and develop it some more before it releases in half a year.

 

[cLUCK]

Those videos on CT do not do the game justice. I was thinking the same thing when I was seeing this gameplay about how it seemed similar to Brawl. What changed my mind was the 1v1 of HungryBox verses ZeRo that was held at E3. The items, FFA, and stage distractions were giving every other match a very casual feel.

From what I saw this game is going to be faster and a little less floatier than Brawl. Plus, I have heard that hitstun is being implemented correctly, so perhaps we will be seeing some real combos again. I wouldn't count this game out yet. It also seems like they tweaked Bowser enough to the point where he actually may be playable because he isn't a giant walking piece of muscle anymore.

I don't know how this is going to stack up to Melee, but I expect it to be far better than Brawl. Let's just hope there isn't another Metaknight haunting around the roster somewhere out of sight. Btw, Pacman is probably going to be that Metaknight. I mean it is Pacman for goodness sake what chance do the other characters have?

 

[D-idara]

Game will be fun, just not still-playing-it-years-and-years-later fun like Melee. Overall a bit disappointed.

Edit: As a side note, Project M Wii U will be A-MAY-ZEEEENG!

Ew...I hope that day never comes.

 

[Morrigan]

Prog tweeted: "The game is a work in progress, but they are listening and asking for advice. For that and the opportunity, #ThankYouNintendo".

Add that to http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...ash_invitational_participants_players/ci4ftk8 from earlier in the thread, and it definitely seems that Nintendo is asking for feedback from the invitational players and being receptive. This is good news.

I don't get it. Isn't the 3DS version 90% completed already? Are they going to have different mechanics? The game is out in 4 months, I'm not knowledgable in game manufacturing/distribution or whatever but I'm sure games are 99% done at least a couple of months before their ETA. Unless of course they can push it back.

 

[SKM_NeoN]

Ew...I hope that day never comes.

Why not? It's not like it will affect you and you're little playing buddies in any way, shape, or form.

 

[SuperMasterHand]

I really love the whold Wii U SSB thing, the design of the character select screen, the result screen, the HUD, the annoucer's voice, everything just feels awesome (in addition to the speed gameplay)
I just wanted to point something out, are the smash demos available yet on Best Buy (French Time Zone), I can't see anymore video of gameplay, we still didn't see Giga Bowser by the way !

 

[Morrigan]

I really love the whold Wii U SSB thing, the design of the character select screen, the result screen, the HUD, the annoucer's voice, everything just feels awesome (in addition to the speed gameplay)
I just wanted to point something out, are the smash demos available yet on Best Buy (French Time Zone), I can't see anymore video of gameplay, we still didn't see Giga Bowser by the way !

Follow this link http://e3.nintendo.com/smashfest/ it should display your local time.

 

[Hitzel]

Generally, the game SEEMS like an improved Brawl. On one hand it's awesome to see the improvements, but on other other hand I'd like to see the game set itself away from Brawl.

The speed and combo potential APPEAR better than Brawl but may leave something to be desired, it's hard to tell. That Mario combo was hyyyype though so hopefully there are still combos like that at varying percents for all characters.

I'm also surprisingly happy with the stage designs, although the blast zones seem way too big. Hopefully the "new" edge game ends up being good, with ledge grabs being more risky and spikes apparently being more dangerous. That seems cool. I just don't want characters living to 150% every stock.

GF didn't say too much about the pace of the game since ZSS vs Kirby is obviously a slow-paced matchup at this point and Zero was playing to win as he should have been. Don't let the sudden death scenario spoil it for you.

Overall I'm still looking forward to Smash 4, although maybe seeing the game in action was a tad bit sobering. I will be enjoying this game with friends and be having fun at my local FGC, no doubt about that. But will I play it long-term? That depends on how these physics issues end up feeling when the game launches. Will combos actually work and will it be possible to net low-ish % kills? That's going to determine a lot.

As a Halo player, that Halo Collection has definitely surpassed Smash as my #1 game of E3, and it's mostly because of how much respect the dedicated community is being showed. Hopefully Sakurai is moved by the Invitational and does something similar with the final stages of balancing tweaks.

 

[D-idara]

Why not? It's not like it will affect you and you're little playing buddies in any way, shape, or form.

People like you will start claiming Smash4 'sucks' and they will continue to think they know better.

 

[Ravioko]

In my opinion, this looks like the best Smash to date! It looks awesome!

 

[HeavyLobster]

I don't think this game looks bad, but it could be much better with reduced landlag and less knockback on throws.

 

[Scourge The Hedgehog]

Visually beautiful however there are slight hurdles it'll have to overcome to make it engaging for competitive scenes. I agree with reducing the landing lag, increase some of the hit stun for certain moves, making it less floaty. Honestly that was probably my biggest concern was how floaty the game looked. Even if it was slightly faster everyone was in the air 90% of the time. And yes I know it was partially due to the items being on the field.

Overall I love how its shaping up. Character wise a great cast. Hoping for more characters obviously such as Falcon, Ganondorf, Falco, and Ice Climbers.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

i keep hearing brawl 2.0
is this bad?
fixing everything brawl did wrong?
no triping
actual combos
ect.
if someone airdoged out of a combo it mean that next attack was not ment to connect in the first place making it not a combo.

 

[SKM_NeoN]

People like you will start claiming Smash4 'sucks' and they will continue to think they know better.

That... Could be the most immature thing I have ever read.

I don't think Smash 4 will suck. I just personally enjoy a faster-paced, heavily skill-based game, and Project M offers that for me. I don't see the problem.

 

[Snowfin]

Not being able to Dashdance is the worst thing that has happened to smash movement since Wavedashing and Wavelanding got removed. Sakurai is KILLING Smash's amazing way to move around one iteration after the other.

Such a shame, since movement is what makes Smash so amazing to play :/

 

[ChillerDuu]

i keep hearing brawl 2.0
is this bad?
fixing everything brawl did wrong?
no triping
actual combos
ect.
if someone airdoged out of a combo it mean that next attack was not ment to connect in the first place making it not a combo.

No, it's not bad. And from what I see, it does lean quite a bit to Brawl more than Melee. Most of it is fixing the problems Brawl had. It's not a bad thing like some people want to paint it, it's just not Melee. I'll say Melee will never be matched. It truly is the best of the whole franchise. But I don't think Nintendo should try to replicate it because I know they never will especially due to the fact that it was never their vision for Smash Brothers in the first place. It's excellence was found by accident through the exploits or "advanced strategy" which did make it play far more competitively.

The bar has been unintentionally set high that Nintendo has a tough time to have their original vision appreciated. Smash 4 is what they've always wanted to give to people and they mean everyone, not just the Melee crowd. Play it any way you want to. I'm sure we can play this competitively if we can with Brawl.

 

[Nstinct]

Now I'm just waiting for Project M Wii-U for the competitive viability of Smash 4

Unfortunately it took Project M devs years to make Project M and are still refining it. Then it took awhile for momentum and hype for the project, I learned about it either this year or November/December last year. So if Wii-U isn't what we wanted, then we can make it closer we want it to be. It'll just take time, a long time...

I do feel for a game they said they wanted to be inbetween Melee and Brawl speed-wise, they're heavily leaning towards one. I was hoping the fall speed would be faster, but I am aware much can change and the players were to new to know any combos.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

A bit less landling lag and more combo opportunities and I'd consider it perfectly executed considering what they're trying to do with the gameplay. Overall it looks good though, seems like there'll be no reason to pick up Brawl ever again once this comes out.

Unless Snake is cut of course.

 

[thedoctr11]

A... tier list?

MIOM is really stretching it with a tier list. Thats just a ridiculous notion at this point.

Im fairly impressed. They said it wasn't going to be Melee 2 and its not. Its a hybrid of Brawl and Melee. Still reserving final judgement and both versions of the game.

Also no legit Link players and he still looks like he's gonna be amazing.