Fire Emblem more then just swords

[cccck]

First off, I am not saying FE needs more people, I am just saying it does not need sword users, and yes they could make a sword user that plays nothing like all the others, that is not the point... the point is new types of people in SSBB.

I was thinking, FE could do a lot more then just swords, It seems to me a lot of people don't want Fire emblem, thinking that there are to many sword users in SSB, but they could bring a lot new to Super smash bros... He are some weapons from FE, and how they could be used, based on the games:
You could have a person that uses more then one of any weapon.

Swords: ...

Axes: Slow but strong, does not get stunned from a lot of blows, making him/her deal lots of damage, but take a lot as well.

lance(Spear):Good at playing keep away, weaker at close range. they can be thrown for ranged attacks, they can be anything from huge spears that make people go flying, to fast weak hits.

Bows: There are any number of things you can do with a bow, it does not have to be like links, they could be fast, hard to hit, but go flying easily with a hit.

Daggers: from the thief's of FE, something speedy, and I think really cool looking. two daggers at once could make some cool moves

Light magic:Zelda has some light magic, but not like FE, It could be done. Weaker spells in FE for close range, and charging up the heaver spell for long range attacks.

Dark magic: a slow attacking, very strong, lightweight. sorren comes to mind but in his game, there is only anima and light magic... but not the less.

Anima magic: The powers of ice, fire, lightning and the like. using a lot of spells at close range to keep up with the faster brawlers.

Mounted units: Some one on horse back (or pegasus) This could be hard, and wolf link/minda are more likely, but it could still work.

If you guys like the idea i will update with pics, and who could use those weapons... if not... then oh well.

Edit:
Oh and by the way, if you don't like my idea, just say why....

 

[_the_sandman_]

Titania or Ashnard would make excellent characters in Brawl. They both have armor on, which is visually something new. And they both have a lot of power to back up with their weapon choice.

Titania especially, since she has an axe and looks very cool.

 

[DonkeyPirate]

I always thought one of the Axers would be a good addition. A spearman would be pretty cool too.

 

[Chris of STARS]

There are alot of weapon users appearing in Smash these days. As long as they make them all different enough from eachother as far as moves, I think it's still okay, but nor do I want to see Smash turn into Soulcalibur. Weaponless characters CAN be just as awesome, the Jigglypuffs and Marios need to be there too. I don't think it will become a problem though.

As far as FE characters...I think no more than two is fine, unless they have weapons other than swords, as you said.

 

[cccck]

Ashnard would be cool, I never even thought about trying to unlock him tho... that would be crazy... (I have to beat the game how many times? 15?) They did say he wanted more bad guys, but I think he wanted the black knight more Ashnard, basined on the poll.. that could be a trick however....

There are alot of weapon users appearing in Smash these days. As long as they make them all different enough from eachother as far as moves, I think it's still okay, but nor do I want to see Smash turn into Soulcalibur. Weaponless characters CAN be just as awesome, the Jigglypuffs and Marios need to be there too. I don't think it will become a problem though.

True, but how many people In FE don't use weapons? there are tons of cool ways to to weaponless people.. .you are right.

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

I like the weapons, I'd always thought they should get a non-sword user in the game. Jut happens that Ike's the most popular atm (bcuz he's 3D, not bcuz his games good) and that he's a sword-user. I'm sure if Ike was a axefighter or a lancer, they'd still put him in.

The Lances I can see as very interesting. Wicked motions and unique angled strikes. Axes would be like nothing Smash has so far, slow weapon. There are slow characters, but they don't use weapons. Very divergent from the normal.

The FE magic, I would support it, as the magic-users in Fire Emblem are always my favorite and the units I give the most attention to. However, the spells in Brawl will either be fairly awkward like Nayru's Love or be hard to get general use out of instead of being situational. Din's Fire is decent, but it is fairly situational because of it's speed and cooldown. I would give the green light to them should they prove actually be useful, which I think would be hard to pull off without making them ridiculously powerful.

 

[cccck]

I like the weapons, I'd always thought they should get a non-sword user in the game. Jut happens that Ike's the most popular atm (bcuz he's 3D, not bcuz his games good) and that he's a sword-user. I'm sure if Ike was a axefighter or a lancer, they'd still put him in.

The Lances I can see as very interesting. Wicked motions and unique angled strikes. Axes would be like nothing Smash has so far, slow weapon. There are slow characters, but they don't use weapons. Very divergent from the normal.

The FE magic, I would support it, as the magic-users in Fire Emblem are always my favorite and the units I give the most attention to. However, the spells in Brawl will either be fairly awkward like Nayru's Love or be hard to get general use out of instead of being situational. Din's Fire is decent, but it is fairly situational because of it's speed and cooldown. I would give the green light to them should they prove actually be useful, which I think would be hard to pull off without making them ridiculously powerful.

It is not hard to make then not ridiculously powerful, make it hard to hit with, or make it not hurt much if it is easy to hit with, I am sure they can make it not overpowered.

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

It is not hard to make then not ridiculously powerful, make it hard to hit with, or make it not hurt much if it is easy to hit with, I am sure they can make it not overpowered.

Think about it, if you want something like Elfire, it would pretty much be a ranged PK Fire, and that'd be just abusable. Fast point-place spells like Lightning would have to be aimed like Din's Fire, that's just a palette swap at that point.

 

[cccck]

Think about it, if you want something like Elfire, it would pretty much be a ranged PK Fire, and that'd be just abusable. Fast point-place spells like Lightning would have to be aimed like Din's Fire, that's just a palette swap at that point.

why would elfire be ranged PK fire? throw fireball. fire ball blows up. person hurt. give it some after lag, and done! not cheap. and lighting could be just hit right in front of them, and they don't need to be aimed. you are thinking inside the box. while I am trying to think of no box at all. (I don't know how well that is doing but...)

 

[PitIcarus]

I could live with less FE in brawl.

 

[Zeela12]

lancer: Ephraim

axe: Hector

Bow: no 1 even close

Daggers: Sothe

any kind of magic: Micaia

mounted unit: Sigurd

lord/weapon distribution:

FE1/3 Marth - > sword
FE2 Alm -> sword
FE4 Sigurd - > Sword main, lance sub
FE4 Celice - > Sword
FE5 Leaf -> Sword
FE6 Roy -> ZOMG AXE? no, its sword
FE7 Eliwood - > sword, lance possible
FE7 Hector -> axe
FE7 Lyn -> sword
FE8 Ephraim -> lance
FE8 Erika -> Sword
FE9 Ike -> Sword
FE9 maybe Mist, -> staves and daggers, on a horse... and shes the worst unit ever.


soooooooooo... the only likely non-sword user is like Hector or Ephraim or something. niether are as close the popularity as Ike, or the new gen ones, or Marth or Sigurd.

I'm not saying its a bad idea, it's just very unlikely.


I support al lFE chars, expt Ike and Sothe, cus they're stupid.

 

[Hong]

I would also like to add that Fire Emblem has found ways to make swords, axes and in the upcoming Goddess of Dawn, daggers ranged which adds a lot of potential. Hand Axes thrown return like boomerangs, swords have magic and sword beams and daggers are fairly obvious. So people saying "you can't think of enough of a moveset with x character" haven't played enough Fire Emblem.

I'd really like a caster from Fire Emblem since it's actually quite easy to differentiate one from Zelda or Mewtwo. Perhaps the female lead from Fire Emblem 10, or one of the past Fire Emblem casters. It'd be a bit iffy to have another character from the same universe as Ike's (Fire Emblems 9 and 10) so someone else is always a good idea. The only other Fire Emblem 9 or 10 character who has the right to exist is the Black Knight to rival Ike. Just my opinion.

I guess being a fan of Fire Emblem before their characters were made known to the rest of the world with Super Smash Brothers Melee, I'm a bit biased against adding more modern characters. I guess if it's only fair to have characters globally recognized, Ephraim, Hector or Lyn is an option. Yeah, I know Lyn is a Blade Lord thus another sword wielder, but she also uses a bow and her speed is unmatched at the cost of attack power. (at least in comparison to other Fire Emblem lords.)

For bows, I rather have it so the player pushes 'B' to pull it out and 'B' again to fire it for whatever amount of times. 'A' would put the bow away and have a delay. Why? In reference to Fire Emblem. If a character has a bow equipped, they can't counter attack until they get away or switch to another weapon. Thus it'd be a bit unwieldy and much different than that of Pit or Link.

I'm completely opposed to mounted units. If that character has to appear, then they have to appear without their mount. No questions asked.

 

[ClarkJables]

Titania or Ashnard would make excellent characters in Brawl. They both have armor on, which is visually something new. And they both have a lot of power to back up with their weapon choice.

Titania especially, since she has an axe and looks very cool.

titania would be good but hard to impliment because she is always on a horse. i wouldn't mind seeing ephraim though, he would be the best. also boyd wouldn't be bad. i could see him dueling axes and throwing axes

 

[cccck]

lancer: Ephraim

axe: Hector

Bow: no 1 even close

Daggers: Sothe

any kind of magic: Micaia

mounted unit: Sigurd

lord/weapon distribution:

FE1/3 Marth - > sword
FE2 Alm -> sword
FE4 Sigurd - > Sword main, lance sub
FE4 Celice - > Sword
FE5 Leaf -> Sword
FE6 Roy -> ZOMG AXE? no, its sword
FE7 Eliwood - > sword, lance possible
FE7 Hector -> axe
FE7 Lyn -> sword
FE8 Ephraim -> lance
FE8 Erika -> Sword
FE9 Ike -> Sword
FE9 maybe Mist, -> staves and daggers, on a horse... and shes the worst unit ever.


soooooooooo... the only likely non-sword user is like Hector or Ephraim or something. niether are as close the popularity as Ike, or the new gen ones, or Marth or Sigurd.

I'm not saying its a bad idea, it's just very unlikely.


I support al lFE chars, expt Ike and Sothe, cus they're stupid.

Why do you think it has to be a lord for a rep? it could be anyone major, or even a bad guy.... you are limiting your self to make your point seem better then it is

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

@cccck, the Box is there for a reason. It's there to be used and be in. O.o

@Lunadis, I really like your idea about bows. It's like a change in equipment, and would definitely be unique. when it's out, you can fire arrows rapidly and almost fully taut.
Unfortunately, the only mage lord is the one from FE10, except I think there was a magelord from an older FE, but not that popular I guess. And I am so very opposed to more FE9/10 content. (If you've followed other FE threads, you'd know I hate Ike and his world, although I hope 10 changes my mind about him). But I would love Lyn, Hector, or Ephraim.

 

[Hong]

Too much Fire Emblem 9 in this thread. =(

Don't get me wrong. It was an amazing game with a beautiful cast and the only flaw was the transition to 3d. But I rather have the lords from other Fire Emblem games than a bunch of mercenaries from Path of Radiance. Show respect for the series as a whole.

The lord from Fire Emblem 10 is not only female, but a caster. (Her name escapes me at the moment.)
This game is already out in Japan and hitting North American shores on November 5th, thus she is a valid candidate. Unlike Mewtwo with just dark flames or Zelda with mostly sparkly-magic, I rather have quick attacks using the three anima elements. Assuming she can gets to use a Staff pre/post promotion, this also means she could get to inflict short term status ailments. But even then, Fire Emblem 10 is still the same universe as 9 so I rather go with an older hero. :/

A lance wielder like Ephraim would be perfect if they gave him a reasonable set of physical punch n' kick attacks to go with the rest of his setup. A character with slow lance attacks at mid range and mediocre-average close combat. That has a lot of potential character depth and play style.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Well Sakurai is picking one game from a franchise and mostly representing it.
-We have Twilight Link, Twilight Zelda, and Bridge of Eldin.
-Jungle Beat DK version, Rumble Falls, DK Bongo Final.
But this can occur for any series in Smash. Metroid Zero, Kirby Super Star, and by the looks of it Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance.

I think Marth and Roy are going to get axed. Its probably going to be 2 or 3 characters from Ike's game. Besides two blue-haired swordsmen seems kind of redundant.

 

[Hong]

I'm definately against Marth and Sigurd having an appearance for the reason above.

It's kind of too late to say Mr. Sakurai is only choosing one game from the franchise. See, the models from Twilight Princess are simply very well done and useful, as well as recent so they were used. Ike's model is not the original and has much more detail. Not only that, he specifically said Castle Siege is not from any particular game. So why isn't say, Daein castle the stage or Serene Forest Altar the stage instead? It's easier to do that for something like the Legend of Zelda since they are reoccuring characters reborn. But every Fire Emblem lord, heck, even the normal cast, has fans. It'd be an injustice to use characters from only one game.

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

I'm definately against Marth and Sigurd having an appearance for the reason above.

It's kind of too late to say Mr. Sakurai is only choosing one game from the franchise. See, the models from Twilight Princess are simply very well done and useful, as well as recent so they were used. Ike's model is not the original and has much more detail. Not only that, he specifically said Castle Siege is not from any particular game. So why isn't say, Daein castle the stage or Serene Forest Altar the stage instead? It's easier to do that for something like the Legend of Zelda since they are reoccuring characters reborn. But every Fire Emblem lord, heck, even the normal cast, has fans. It'd be an injustice to use characters from only one game.

QFT.
*starts a slow clap*

 

[cccck]

Well Sakurai is picking one game from a franchise and mostly representing it.
-We have Twilight Link, Twilight Zelda, and Bridge of Eldin.
-Jungle Beat DK version, Rumble Falls, DK Bongo Final.
But this can occur for any series in Smash. Metroid Zero, Kirby Super Star, and by the looks of it Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance.

I think Marth and Roy are going to get axed. Its probably going to be 2 or 3 characters from Ike's game. Besides two blue-haired swordsmen seems kind of redundant.

As Lunadis said, we don't know what sakurai is doing... he well trick us. that and what he said one the web sight is all we know. and is zero suit from the newest or even a new game? and ike is have a new game coming out soon... that is much newer... you'd think by your logic, he would have his look from that game and not the old one... don't you?

 

[.:DRAKE:.]

If another character from PoR is introduced, I'm hoping it's Ike's father Grail.

Even though he's not exactly a playable character in that game, he does play an important part in the first half of the story.

Oh, and he carries an axe - not a sword. Variety is good.

 

[Dizzynecro]

i think a general with a spear would be cool. or a myrmidon

 

[NukeA6]

Michaiah would make a great character. She uses no swords.

 

[inside]

A spearman would be a nice touch, as well as the axe one.

 

[Pieman0920]

There is only one spear using lord, one axe using lord, and one magic using lord. The rest use either swords with nothing else, or a mix. Those who use a mix though can only be represented as characters who use a sword, as that's what their main weapon is. Sigurd could use a lance, but only for about one attack. After that, he's just another sword user, and we have to many of those. (Not to mention how close his appearance is to Marh and Ike's by a marketing standpoint)

Now of those three lords who use different weapons as their main, the best suited one to be included is the magic one, aka Micaiah. Ephraim and Hector are apparently unpopular, and in the end still use blades, so their chances are slipping. Not to mention that they are both from old games. (Well compared to the newest, anyways) Ephraim I actually would put ahead of Hector, in the ability to be original, but he's even less popular, if I recall. >_>

Micaiah on the other hand has the benefits of being female, a magic user (a fighting style which has many different options to it, due to its fictitious nature) is international, and can be used to promote her new game as it comes out across the world. Now while she may be from the same universe as Ike, these pros outweigh the cons, and it has been shown in the past that a FE character can get in solely because they are an advertisement. >_>

(It is my personal belief that no character that is not a lord, outside of the BK, has any real chance, at least as a playable character)

 

[cccck]

There is only one spear using lord, one axe using lord, and one magic using lord. The rest use either swords with nothing else, or a mix. Those who use a mix though can only be represented as characters who use a sword, as that's what their main weapon is. Sigurd could use a lance, but only for about one attack. After that, he's just another sword user, and we have to many of those. (Not to mention how close his appearance is to Marh and Ike's by a marketing standpoint)

Now of those three lords who use different weapons as their main, the best suited one to be included is the magic one, aka Micaiah. Ephraim and Hector are apparently unpopular, and in the end still use blades, so their chances are slipping. Not to mention that they are both from old games. (Well compared to the newest, anyways) Ephraim I actually would put ahead of Hector, in the ability to be original, but he's even less popular, if I recall. >_>

Micaiah on the other hand has the benefits of being female, a magic user (a fighting style which has many different options to it, due to its fictitious nature) is international, and can be used to promote her new game as it comes out across the world. Now while she may be from the same universe as Ike, these pros outweigh the cons, and it has been shown in the past that a FE character can get in solely because they are an advertisement. >_>

(It is my personal belief that no character that is not a lord, outside of the BK, has any real chance, at least as a playable character)

I think some major people, other then lords might very well have a chance,,, but true many lords use swords, and Ephraim uses spears the whole game so I don't know what you mean there (I don't know about unpopular, so I well trust you on that one), and if they really where going to use all the newer games, they have a lord, meaning other people from that game could be used...

 

[Pieman0920]

A major, non-lord, character can get in as an AT, but you're fooling yourself if you think they will be playable, especially over a main character.

What I meant with Ephraim is that is pottential to have an unique moveset is higher than Hector's but he suffers from a lack of popularity, even more so than Hector.

 

[cccck]

A major, non-lord, character can get in as an AT, but you're fooling yourself if you think they will be playable, especially over a main character.

What I meant with Ephraim is that is pottential to have an unique moveset is higher than Hector's but he suffers from a lack of popularity, even more so than Hector.

Hey, one can dream, can't they? and you never know.... FE is not the smallest game in the world...

 

[Pieman0920]

Maybe not, but it doesn't deserve that spot yet. On its second Smashbros game, Mario had all main characters, with no side ones being playable. (Doctor Mario is technically Mario in the end. >_>)

 

[cccck]

True, but are all of them "lords" of the mario world? can you compare the two? I think the game makers would do what they think would be popular, but they can do people that are not lords, but could have very good move sets...

and dr. mario counts for nothing, he is just there to add one more guy.

 

[Archyp Cosh]

There are alot of weapon users appearing in Smash these days. As long as they make them all different enough from eachother as far as moves, I think it's still okay, but nor do I want to see Smash turn into Soulcalibur. Weaponless characters CAN be just as awesome, the Jigglypuffs and Marios need to be there too. I don't think it will become a problem though.

As far as FE characters...I think no more than two is fine, unless they have weapons other than swords, as you said.

Just out of curiousity, how would having more weapon users make Smash become Soulcalibur? I mean, it's not like Mortal Kombat became Soulcalibur when they added weapons...and Smash isn't even really like Soulcalibur at all anyway. Oh, and Soulcalibur's characters were (almost) all vastly different from each other, so having multiple Smash characters with similar movesets aand weapons still wouldn't indicate a slide towards Soulcalibur-dom.

It just seems like an odd statement, so clarification would be nice.

 

[RWB]

There is only one spear using lord, one axe using lord, and one magic using lord.

OBJECTION!

There are 3 lords that uses Magic as their main method of attacking. One of them also uses a sword...
Celica, Micaiah and Sanaki.

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

OBJECTION!

There are 3 lords that uses Magic as their main method of attacking. One of them also uses a sword...
Celica, Micaiah and Sanaki.

Interesting....I think I might've spoiled something for myself, but I don't know what! This is a weird feeling, knowing I spoiled something, but not knowing what. I'm assuming the blacked out character is from FE10.

I know that there are more than one, but it's good you clarified for people.

Also, I think the popular Sigurd used lances to. So that means theres more than one lance-user as well.

 

[Pieman0920]

Those other two are not main lords though.....but I guess I'm still wrong. Still, Micaiah is the most marketable of those three characters. >_>

(Sigurd is a sword user foremost. He could only use his lance for about one attack. Two tops. Otherwise it would stray away to much from his character)

 

[RWB]

They are not main lords... but there is no main lords that uses Axes or spears as their primary weapons. Both those characters are just secondary lords like those two magic users. The main Lord of FE7 was Eliwood, and Eirika was the main lord of FE8.

 

[Pieman0920]

Well actually, it was a tie between Hector and Eliwood really. (Though I guess it leant to Eliwood a bit more so) Eirika and Ephriam also shared the spot light, or at least they were supposed to. I guess since they started with the later though, you could be under the impression that she's more important. (Really though, it's they are the same in it all)

 

[9bit]

I would love to see a spear-wielding character in Brawl. I guess the chances are small now that Ike's been revealed. How many Fire Emblem characters could there be? 2 - 3 at the very most. I'd guess Roy won't be coming back, since Ike now has teh ph1r3. Marth may return, but I would prefer a lance user in his place, just for variety's sake.

 

[cccck]

I would love to see a spear-wielding character in Brawl. I guess the chances are small now that Ike's been revealed. How many Fire Emblem characters could there be? 2 - 3 at the very most. I'd guess Roy won't be coming back, since Ike now has teh ph1r3. Marth may return, but I would prefer a lance user in his place, just for variety's sake.

So because there is a sword users... the chances of a spear user are less? are the people makeing the game going to go, well we have this cool spear user for the game, but ike uses a sword, so we can't have him. and 2-3 means there could be a sword (ike), and axe, and a spear.

 

[Hong]

I still nominate Ephraim and Lyn. Give Ephraim a few close range attacks that don't use his spear so it makes for an interesting playstyle. It's no surprise that Ike will be mid to slow in speed, so Lyn could be played completely different since she's a Lord that functions like a common Swordmaster, except for the fact she has a bow. (which could also make for at least two different attacks.) It's quite impossible to make Lyn anything like Ike without going against the original character design, since Ike is more like the traditional Mercenary class in being a well rounded unit.

At least those are my ideas. A caster and an axe wielder still has every right.

 

[cccck]

I still nominate Ephraim and Lyn. Give Ephraim a few close range attacks that don't use his spear so it makes for an interesting playstyle. It's no surprise that Ike will be mid to slow in speed, so Lyn could be played completely different since she's a Lord that functions like a common Swordmaster, except for the fact she has a bow. (which could also make for at least two different attacks.) It's quite impossible to make Lyn anything like Ike without going against the original character design, since Ike is more like the traditional Mercenary class in being a well rounded unit.

At least those are my ideas. A caster and an axe wielder still has every right.

They are very good points... Lyn can use a bow? I don't remember that... but if you say so. I do remember her being fast however, and Ephraim could be very cool, but I fear for the odds of a GBA lord...