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Finalark's RPG Strike

finalark

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Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

Finalark, is the only real reason you dislike it because it is in the shadow of games like Mario 64 or DK64? Just because it is not as good as them?
Two things:

1: Bobson, stop being an elitist.

2: Outlaw, if you haven't noticed, I love games that are overshadowed by over popular and overrated pieces of crap (I AM NOT CALLING M64 OR DK64 CRAP). It's as I said, the game play wasn't anything that hadn't been done before nor was it executed in any special way. But the main reason why I didn't like it was the sheer childishness of the whole game. Banjo's hick style was so unlikeable that it made the chick from X-Blades look like Ratchet, the fact that you collect a bunch of multicolored little things that look they could hang around with Barney and friends in every level was annoying, especially the way they cheerfully flew around you and made a noise that I'd expect to hear from the TV when my four-year-old cousin drops by for a visit, heck, the only part of that game that was tolerable was Kazooie's little banters with the mole guy.
 

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The main character was a bear, that's basically worth 10 reasons right there. =/
I don't think anyone truly acknowledged how important this post is.

Had he been a gazelle, maybe 11 people would've bought the game.
 

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Okay, Bobson, Outlaw, everyone who loves Banjo. Give me ten (game play-based) reasons on why the game was so awesome. After you do, I will pop the copy my friend left over at my place into my Nintendo 64 and see if I can see what everyone else sees.
 

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Why bother?
It's as I said, the game play wasn't anything that hadn't been done before nor was it executed in any special way.
You obviously already don't like it. Any time spent trying to convince you to give it a shot would waste both of our time, like you trying to convince me Kingdom Hearts is good. It's not even that great of a game.

Incidentally, Kazooie being a wiseass composes pretty much the entirety of Tooie's dialogue, if you like that.
 

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I'm saying Banjo is a game that is, from a strict gameplay perspective, objectively good, and if you outright hate it, then you are wrong. ("In the minority" if you want to be PC)



Tooie took the basic Banjo gameplay in a different direction. It was a lot bigger and more exploratory than the original and wasn't focused so much on platforming as it was minigames and finding stuff. It was also darker than the original, so the people who were too manly to play silly kids games before took a shine to it.
Which is better is largely a coin toss depending on who you ask.
Semannnnnnnnnnnnntics goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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Two things:

1: Bobson, stop being an elitist.

2: Outlaw, if you haven't noticed, I hate games that are overshadowed by over popular and overrated pieces of crap (I AM CALLING KAZOOIE AND DK64 CRAP!). It's as I said, the game play wasn't anything that hadn't been done before nor was it executed in any special way. But the main reason why I didn't like it was the sheer childishness of the whole game. Banjo's hick style was so unlikeable that it made the chick from X-Blades look like Ratchet, the fact that you collect a bunch of multicolored little things that look they could hang around with Barney and friends in every level was annoying, especially the way they cheerfully flew around you and made a noise that I'd expect to hear from the TV when my four-year-old cousin drops by for a visit, heck, the only part of that game that was sufficient to give me a sick satisfaction was Kazooie's little banters with the mole guy.
The special way it was executed WAS how it was lighthearted. The combat style that wasn't perfect, but was built on to in Tooie. I am not going to try to persuade you to play it, I would get no satisfaction (Hence, I say it is only OK, but certainly not bad, if that makes any sense.)

Some people think it is funny how happy it is, I don't see how it is so annoying...And wasn't it you who said you can't tolerate games with too much blood? Well then this game is perfect for you. It is the last game you would see ten gallons of blood coming out of pink termites.
 

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If you have only played the Metroid Primes, then DEFINITELY pick up Super Metroid, and maybe the one on the GBA. (I haven't played that yet.. though) -- but I've been playing it lately and it's the best game I've played in a long time.

I also recommend Okami if you aren't excluding LoZ type games when you say RPG's. It's pretty good action though -- just think of a Phantom Hourglass and Twilight Princess mix.

Also.. on the whole Banjo Kazooie / Tooie thing.. they were good games. And they did the difficulty curve pretty nice too -- a lot better than most other games have (but I'm only talking about Zooie since I haven't played Tooie..) -- I suggest it if you like a casual/laid back game. (or maybe not.. Click Clock Woods can take a hella long time to 100%).
 

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If you have only played the Metroid Primes, then DEFINITELY pick up Super Metroid, and maybe the one on the GBA. (I haven't played that yet.. though) -- but I've been playing it lately and it's the best game I've played in a long time.

I also recommend Okami if you aren't excluding LoZ type games when you say RPG's. It's pretty good action though -- just think of a Phantom Hourglass and Twilight Princess mix.

Also.. on the whole Banjo Kazooie / Tooie thing.. they were good games. And they did the difficulty curve pretty nice too -- a lot better than most other games have (but I'm only talking about Zooie since I haven't played Tooie..) -- I suggest it if you like a casual/laid back game. (or maybe not.. Click Clock Woods can take a hella long time to 100%).
Okami is in my top five favorite games, so... yeah. But I cound Zelda as an RPG so Nokami for me. Sorry, you're a bit too late on that. Although I do want to play Super Metroid.

@OutlawStar: I never said I don't like bloody games. It actually feels really good to rip off someone's legs and feed them to them after beating them to death with them after a long and tedious day. And I do enjoy games with charm (I loved the ORIGINAL Crash and Spyros, along with the Paper Mario games), but Banjo just goes overkill on it to the point where it's annoying.
 

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Okami is in my top five favorite games, so... yeah. But I cound Zelda as an RPG so Nokami for me. Sorry, you're a bit too late on that. Although I do want to play Super Metroid.

@OutlawStar: I never said I don't like bloody games. It actually feels really good to rip off someone's legs and feed them to them after beating them to death with them after a long and tedious day. And I do enjoy games with charm (I loved the ORIGINAL Crash and Spyros, along with the Paper Mario games), but Banjo just goes overkill on it to the point where it's annoying.
^Really?...Maybe I am mistaken. As long as this is YOUR opinion of Kazooie.

You can still like games that are overrated, we won't make fun of you ;)
 

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Oh, come on, Outlaw. Ever since when I have liked overrated games, eh?
I don't understand why the hell people think "overrated" games or games that are liked by a bunch of people are bad. There are some exceptions to the rule (re: the bargain bin Wii games), but popular games like Halo or even Brawl (yes, I said Brawl; even though I don't like the game competitively does not mean it doesn't deserve some credit) are not so much "good" as they are solid. Is it the fact that you want to go against the grain? Or do you insist on comparing it to some archaic classic that is pretty much irrelevant now? Just what is it?

Finalark knows that I dislike the Twilight series. He had a blog on it a little while ago and I posted my opinion in there. It was poorly written and it possessed all really tried themes that bored the hell out of me. I gave her a couple of praising comments, however. She (Stephanie Meier) does have some talent in writing fiction ("The Host," another book that she's written, is actually quite good. I enjoyed it, at least) and she appealed to a broad audience (mostly teenagers and thirty-year old women). The latter of the two comments I mentioned is the most important: She is making millions upon millions of dollars for her work, much like your bigshots like JK Rowling and Stephen King are. Money may or may not be your God when you write, but I want my work to be appreciated by SOMEBODY and that appreciation in part comes from monetary compensation (aka the people buying your book). Hell, that's even the driving concept behind video games too---more units bought, more reinforcement of their work.

(Although getting jeered by Stephen King is pretty bad. That's right, Stephen King out and out said that she was a terrible writer in an interview. If I were in her shoes, my toes would be curling from the comment and I would probably be thinking about ways I could "get better." lol)

What I'm trying to say that there's some good in nearly everything. The reason why Banjo Kazooie was loved so much was because it was a solid platforming game. If you set aside the kiddie conventions and the lackluster graphics (etc, etc), it was worthy of being second fiddle to something like Super Mario 64 (note the key words second fiddle; Super Mario 64 is one of the definitive platformers imo).

All of the things I'm about to say, really, are what other people have been trying to say. I liked the controls, personally, and I liked how you could combine certain abilities to form an even cooler attack against enemies or way to get around the screen. Like someone else mentioned, the difficulty curve was good. The game started out pretty easy but later on it started to get a little more challenging---which was good. Plus the puzzles teased your head just enough not to frustrate you. I could go on, really, but I'm just adding on to the semantic pile.

Acknowledgment of a game's ups would be nice for a change, y'know?

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I gots some reccomendations

PS1- Ape Escape

PS2- FF XII

DS- All 4 Ace Attorneys, Hotel Dusk, and Trace Memory, only if you like text adventures.

Mario Kart DS, New SMB, Kirby Superstar Ultra, and Space Invaders Extreme

If Strategy games aren't considered RPG's try Civilization Revolution, Age of Empires: The Age of Kings, Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon, and both Advance Wars.

If you like puzzle games get Planet Puzzle League, Pokemon Trozei, and Meteos.

If you can handle the Wi-Fi hackers and the awkward controls, pick up Metroid Prime Hunters.

Get Elite Beat Agents. Now. (Also, The World Ends With You)

If you like games with little/no action go for Animal Crossing Wild World.
 

finalark

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I gots some reccomendations

PS1- Ape Escape
Win.

PS2-]FF XII
Super Win.

DS- All 4 Ace Attorneys, Hotel Dusk, and Trace Memory, only if you like text adventures.
I can never find any of the Ace Attorneys. Hotel Dusk was amazing, and I've always wanted to play Trace Memory.

Mario Kart DS, New SMB, Kirby Superstar Ultra, and Space Invaders Extreme
MKDS was great, best in the series (although I haven't played MKWii). Haven't played any of those other ones, my DS is lacking in games so I'll probably look into those.

If Strategy games aren't considered RPG's try Civilization Revolution, Age of Empires: The Age of Kings, Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon, and both Advance Wars.
No, strategy games are not considered RPGs. I was never really into RTS' (PM me if you want details) but I'm really enjoying Shadow Dragon, although I have yet to play an Advance Wars game.

If you like puzzle games get Planet Puzzle League, Pokemon Trozei, and Meteos.
Alright, I'll look into those.

If you can handle the Wi-Fi hackers and the awkward controls, pick up Metroid Prime Hunters.
I've heard mixed things about MPH, but I'll check it out anyway.

Get Elite Beat Agents. Now. (Also, The World Ends With You)
Elite Beat Agents sounds like it's fun. And The World Ends With You is not only an RPG, but it's an Anime RPG. Sorry, but I'll try it when the strike's over if it doesn't have any of the following:

-- Stereotypical anime personalities

-- Super predictable plot

-- Anime-like plot twists

-- Boring, generic anime character designs.

If you like games with little/no action go for Animal Crossing Wild World.
Sorry, I could never get into the Animal Crossing games.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll be sure to look into some of those.
 

finalark

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I don't understand why the hell people think "overrated" games or games that are liked by a bunch of people are bad. There are some exceptions to the rule (re: the bargain bin Wii games), but popular games like Halo or even Brawl (yes, I said Brawl; even though I don't like the game competitively does not mean it doesn't deserve some credit) are not so much "good" as they are solid. Is it the fact that you want to go against the grain? Or do you insist on comparing it to some archaic classic that is pretty much irrelevant now? Just what is it?

Finalark knows that I dislike the Twilight series. He had a blog on it a little while ago and I posted my opinion in there. It was poorly written and it possessed all really tried themes that bored the hell out of me. I gave her a couple of praising comments, however. She (Stephanie Meier) does have some talent in writing fiction ("The Host," another book that she's written, is actually quite good. I enjoyed it, at least) and she appealed to a broad audience (mostly teenagers and thirty-year old women). The latter of the two comments I mentioned is the most important: She is making millions upon millions of dollars for her work, much like your bigshots like JK Rowling and Stephen King are. Money may or may not be your God when you write, but I want my work to be appreciated by SOMEBODY and that appreciation in part comes from monetary compensation (aka the people buying your book). Hell, that's even the driving concept behind video games too---more units bought, more reinforcement of their work.

(Although getting jeered by Stephen King is pretty bad. That's right, Stephen King out and out said that she was a terrible writer in an interview. If I were in her shoes, my toes would be curling from the comment and I would probably be thinking about ways I could "get better." lol)

What I'm trying to say that there's some good in nearly everything. The reason why Banjo Kazooie was loved so much was because it was a solid platforming game. If you set aside the kiddie conventions and the lackluster graphics (etc, etc), it was worthy of being second fiddle to something like Super Mario 64 (note the key words second fiddle; Super Mario 64 is one of the definitive platformers imo).

All of the things I'm about to say, really, are what other people have been trying to say. I liked the controls, personally, and I liked how you could combine certain abilities to form an even cooler attack against enemies or way to get around the screen. Like someone else mentioned, the difficulty curve was good. The game started out pretty easy but later on it started to get a little more challenging---which was good. Plus the puzzles teased your head just enough not to frustrate you. I could go on, really, but I'm just adding on to the semantic pile.

Acknowledgment of a game's ups would be nice for a change, y'know?

Smooth Criminal
Yes, I know that I'm harsh on popular games but I really don't hate them as much as I lead on. In truth, yes I liked Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy VII isn't that bad, I really like the Halo games, Brawl, ect. I guess I should let up on the whole"popular games suck" thing, eh?
 
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