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Final Fantasy Retrospect

finalark

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When it comes to long-running series', most of them start to suck in the later titles usually do the fact that the creators are running out of ideas. This is why I like the Final Fantasy approach, make each game it's own game. Lets face it, you could take any game in the Final Fantasy series and rename it something completely different an pass it off as something else. You could also take just about any other game made by Square, change it's title to Final Fantasy (insert roman numeral here) and still pass it off as a part of the series. I started to look back at the Final Fantasy series and choose to write this retrospect.

Final Fantasy:

Back in 80s, Square was a pretty crappy company. Most games they had made were considered to be really bad (although I only have people's word for this, as I've never played them myself). And so they decided to make their last game an RPG for the NES, calling it Final Fantasy because they thought it was going to be their last game. Surprise, surprise it turned out to be super successful and popular. I'll be honest I thought that Final Fantasy was a pretty good RPG. Yeah, it didn't have much of a storyline but it's an NES RPG, you shouldn't expect much of a storyline from it. It was fairly fun, although it wasn't really that good. It also started what I like to call the Final Fantasy Crystals trilogy, meaning a trilogy of Final Fantasy games with the same exact core story and similar class system.

Final Fantasy II:

This was my least favorite Final Fantasy. First, the difficulty was somewhere between murderous and Korean, because they but high-powered monsters in low-leveled areas and the only way not to get ***-***** by said monsters was to know EXACTLY where to step at all times. The plot was almost exactly the same as the first Star Wars movie, only put under the medievalfication ray. Plus almost all of the graphics and characters were just copy-pastes from the first game. The only thing I liked about Final Fantasy II was it's unique leveling system. If you want a mage, then buy some spells, teach it to one of your party members and then have him or her grind him/herself silly. This works the same way with all weapons, and to increase your health you just have to get hit a lot, use magic a lot to increse your MP, ect.

Final Fantasy III:

This is the second in the Crystals trilogy, it's also when Square decided to be racist and say that everyone other than the Japanese could have the smarts to play this game. But I've also heard that they didn't have the time or manpower for an English version or something like that. But whatever, the point is that we didn't get it until the DS remake came out. So I'll have to base this paragraph on that. Back to what I was saying about the trilogy thing, this game had the same core story as the first one (the four elemental crystals have gone out of wack, so some heroes have to go fix things). It also had an upgrated version of Final Fantasy's class system, only rather than being able to only choose once and at the start of the game, you can change your class any time and there's more to pick from.

Final Fantasy IV:

To be honest, I wasn't impressed with this one. Yeah, yeah I know. It was the first one to have a real story and the ATB system and stuff like that. Yes, I know. I just... don't know what it was, but I couldn't get into Final Fantasy IV. Okay, so, Final Fantasy IV was also the first to mix things up by giving their characters names and personality, while in the previous three the heroes were just stone faced mutes. That's really all I can think of about this one. Okay, moving on.

Final Fantasy V:

I really liked Final Fantasy V, it goes as number four in my top five favorite Final Fantasies. It was also the last in the crystals trilogy, and used a slightly modified version of Final Fantasy III's class system. Amusing dialog, fun battle system, interesting world, fun fun fun all around in this one. It's also wroth pointing out that it was the first in the series to use the bar in the ATB system.

Final Fantasy VI:

One of the best Final Fantasies, no, one of the best RPGs out there. Final Fantasy VI was the best of the "classic" Final Fantasies. The was the first one to have an amazing story (rather than an okay story), vastly well developed characters, one of (if no THE) best villain in Final Fantasy, I would go on, but I think Jam sums this one up here: http://www.smashboards.com/news/blogs/37055/1352/why-i-love-final-fantasy-vi

Final Fantasy VII:

*raises flame shield* Final Fantasy VII is considered to be an amazingly epic game that burns raw godliness to gamers eyeballs in a blaze of awesomeness. I would have to disagree. Now don't get me wrong (although I know that the fanboys will misinterpret this to the best degree they can in order to flame me) I don't hate Final Fantasy VII, I just didn't find it to be that good. And if you want to know why, go ahead and PM me. So, Final Fantasy VII had a fairly interesting story and was the first game to use limit breaks, an upgraded version of the desperation attacks from Final Fantasy VI. It was also the first in 3D, and had a system in which you could place this stuff called materia into your weapons and armor to give yourself abilities. Pretty good entry, not that good but it's fair.

Final Fantasy VIII:

I've only played a little bit of eight, so I can't really say anything.

Final Fantasy IX:

Prepare for some mega bias here, Final Fantasy IX was my favorite in the series. I would like to say that the game had the best characters in the series (ducks to avoid rotten fruit) and one of the best storylines. The thing that I liked so much about Final Fantasy IX was the fact that it does what I like in a story: mixes drama and comedy. The dialog was fun and enjoyable to read, Steiner was a funny character, and I will never forget the line, "ooo... soft." Oh, and do I even need to mention the baddasseries that are the Black Waltz?

Final Fantasy X:

Voice acting was more or less mandatory last gen (although a few got away with not having any) and so Final Fantasy jumped about the voice acting band-wagon in Final Fantasy X. It was the first with voices, and no matter how much I don't want to admit it, an awesome story. I'll admit that I liked the characters in this one, and the battle system was interesting too. I would also like to point out that this game has a fairly nice sound track. But the thing I didn't like is that the comedy was gone. In previous Final Fantasies, there was always comedy mixed in (hell, even IV had the spoony bard) with the seriousness of the plot. But that was absent in this one.

Final Fantasy XI:

Here's another one that I just couldn't get into. I don't know why, MMORPGs just never held my attention for very long. Okay, moving on.

Final Fantasy XII:

I see this game get a lot of crap, and I don't know why. Final Fantasy XII is my second favorite in the series (with IX being the first). I really appreciated how the dialog was written in such a way that only people who can pay attention and think could comprehend it. The dialog was ALMOST, old-English like in tone. I also thought that it had an amazing story that was novel-worthy and plenty of interesting and well developed characters. Although I'll admit that they could have dropped Fran and not much would have changed. And the license board system kind of sucked. But Final Fantasy XII was still an awesome game. And besides, the ones who bash it tend to be the FFVII fanboys who can't stand any RPG in which the main character doesn't look like he had his hair cut with a lawnmower. There may be few who say the game is bad, but don't believe Ondre's lies!

Man, the Final Fantasy series has been going on for a while. I hope you all enjoyed this this retrospect, lets all hope that FFXIII is a good addition, eh?
 

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Final Fantasy III:

This is the second in the Crystals trilogy, it's also when Square decided to be racist and say that everyone other than the Japanese could have the smarts to play this game. But I've also heard that they didn't have the time or manpower for an English version or something like that.
That actually started with FFII. The FFII we got was FFIV.

Final Fantasy IV:
I really, REALLY wanted to get into that, but the DS version of that game is an evil *******. Seriously, it's sooo hard. I pretty much stopped playing it after the puppet/golbez fight.


Final Fantasy VII:

*raises flame shield* Final Fantasy VII is considered to be an amazingly epic game that burns raw godliness to gamers eyeballs in a blaze of awesomeness. I would have to disagree. Now don't get me wrong (although I know that the fanboys will misinterpret this to the best degree they can in order to flame me) I don't hate Final Fantasy VII, I just didn't find it to be that good. And if you want to know why, go ahead and PM me. So, Final Fantasy VII had a fairly interesting story and was the first game to use limit breaks, an upgraded version of the desperation attacks from Final Fantasy VI. It was also the first in 3D, and had a system in which you could place this stuff called materia into your weapons and armor to give yourself abilities. Pretty good entry, not that good but it's fair.
You'd have to play it back when it came out. Back then, FFVII was some dang revolutionary stuff. But like most ps1-era 3d games, it hasn't aged well whatsoever.


Final Fantasy XI:

Here's another one that I just couldn't get into. I don't know why, MMORPGs just never held my attention for very long. Okay, moving on.
Final Fantasy XII:

I see this game get a lot of crap, and I don't know why. Final Fantasy XII is my second favorite in the series (with IX being the first). I really appreciated how the dialog was written in such a way that only people who can pay attention and think could comprehend it. The dialog was ALMOST, old-English like in tone. I also thought that it had an amazing story that was novel-worthy and plenty of interesting and well developed characters. Although I'll admit that they could have dropped Fran and not much would have changed. And the license board system kind of sucked. But Final Fantasy XII was still an awesome game. And besides, the ones who bash it tend to be the FFVII fanboys who can't stand any RPG in which the main character doesn't look like he had his hair cut with a lawnmower. There may be few who say the game is bad, but don't believe Ondre's lies!
Meh, I played FFXII for a while, until I lost it somehow, but what I did play didn't hold my attention that well. I don't know, I thought it was kinda boring.

Man, the Final Fantasy series has been going on for a while. I hope you all enjoyed this this retrospect, lets all hope that FFvsXIII is a good addition, eh?
fixed.
FFXIII already looks good, assuming it doesn't actually control like an interactive movie, but I like the FFvsXIII protagonist better. Hopefully that game is as good, if not better, than the main game.
 

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You'd have to play it back when it came out. Back then, FFVII was some dang revolutionary stuff. But like most ps1-era 3d games, it hasn't aged well whatsoever.
How was it revolutionary? There were RPGs with better story (FFVI) and RPGs with better graphics (Panzer Dragoon series).
 
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I've only played 10 and It was pretty well done, but Final Fantasy just isn't my style.
 

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IX was my favorite. It was utter perfection, I can find nothing elst to say about it. I hold no bias for it because I actually did play all of the Final Fantasies before I got around to IX, because my friends were telling me it was bad.

When I played it, I slapped them accross the face.

Zidane is by far the best hero of the entire series. He didn't go through that stupid "Emo Self Doubt" face most of the 3d protagonists went through. No, he went through a "RRGH I'M PISSED AND I'M GOING TO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF MY FRIENDS" phase, instead. Badass to the end. Plus, I loved the skill learning system FFIX had, and it all just felt so much better to me, overall. I dunno. BIAS?

IMO, The tactics series was the most beautiful part of Final Fantasy. Tactics was an amazing game, imo. Despite what people say, Tactics Advance was even MORESO amazing. Then we bring out A2, which I was a little dissapointed in because it was almost perfect. The only thing that could have made it better was if the characters were expanded on a bit more. But unfortunately, due to the "Childish" nature of the game, that probably never crossed square's mind. (I was just sitting there going for Luso and Adelle the entire time. I was super pissed when it never happened, even after the second to last cutscene. D: )
 

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FF2 for gameboy, if that was the version you are talking about,
I thought was pretty good and fun.

FF4 wasn`t hard to me, people talk about how impossible it is.
It was a big step up from the ones before it, but not great yet.

FF8 I`m only on the second disk, and its pretty good so far, it just doesn`t have as good characters
as the others.

FF9 is awesome

FF10 I can agreee on what you said.
 

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IX was my favorite. It was utter perfection, I can find nothing elst to say about it. I hold no bias for it because I actually did play all of the Final Fantasies before I got around to IX, because my friends were telling me it was bad.

When I played it, I slapped them accross the face.

Zidane is by far the best hero of the entire series. He didn't go through that stupid "Emo Self Doubt" face most of the 3d protagonists went through. No, he went through a "RRGH I'M PISSED AND I'M GOING TO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF MY FRIENDS" phase, instead. Badass to the end. Plus, I loved the skill learning system FFIX had, and it all just felt so much better to me, overall. I dunno. BIAS?
You sir just won another awesomeness token. I had a lot of people tell that IX is bad before I played it. You know why they said that? Because it wasn't VII.
 

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This topic is full of win :)

Here are my opinions...

I agree that FFIX is the best FF. It's the most "balanced" one, with lots of action, drama but also deep moments and humor. Unlike most other FF there's nothing abusable, that makes you overpowered in no time (*cough*FFVIII*cough*). It also has no particular flaw but like most FFs it's a bit too easy (not in the same league as FFX, FFVIII and FFX-2 though). The music is by far the best ever used in any video game and for a change it's not to usual "teenage-angst" stuff, that's so prominent. I can't even say what I love about this game as there is just too much. 60 hours, 4 CDs, epic music, ageless graphics, great characters, a wonderful story and good side-quests/mini-games.

I really don't know why you didn't get into FFIV though :(
It's the 2nd best FF in my opinion although FFVI is very close. It still gets a lot less credit than it deserves, most of all since all pre-FFVII FFs are overshadowed by FFVI and FFVII. It's simply a brillant perfectly made RPG. Same for FFVI but I don't feel like talking much about it since a lot has been said about this game many times.

I like the older games like FFII, FFIII and FFV. All of them are amazing games and overlooked (especially FFIII) and they're all better than FFVII imo. FFII is really good idk why you dislike it so much. The biggest flaw is that it is actually too easy. I have no idea why you think it's hard ... the game mechanics are extremely abusable. The story may not be great but it's not as bad as you say and there are still many dungeons, that make the game worthwile...also the "Soul of Rebirth" (which was added for the GBA version) is an amazing addition to this game.

Personally I always found FFX to be the worst FF, even though it's still a good game...Tidus makes a poor hero, since he lacks credibility and is very hard to stand at times (ugh...his voice). Blitzball is boring and the Sphere Grid could've been a lot better if every character would've gotten his own one. It's also way too easy and many characters are pretty pointless. I think FFX-2 is better even though it's story is even worse. However, it has good mini-games, an interesting plot (you can partly build your own story) and probably the best fighting and ability system of all FF games. It's just not a typical FF game.

FFXII is a lot better than ppl think I agree with you...I think most people are narrow minded about FF and expect it to be similar to the (S)NES games: old-fashioned etc but FFXII is really good. It has the best and most complex world of all FF games and a lot of variety concerning dungeons, side-quests and enemies.
I like FFVII and FFVIII despite all the hatred they get. People just have wrong expectations about FF games and get dissapointed as a result. If people were more open-minded they'd like a lot more than just 4 or 5 games (like most people do unfortunately).

How was it revolutionary? There were RPGs with better story (FFVI) and RPGs with better graphics (Panzer Dragoon series).
3 CDs, ~50 hours of gameplay, 3D graphics, new musical dimensions etc...

Like it or not: Nobody had ever played anything like FFVII before

:059:
 

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I've only ever played three FF games properly, although I have seen someone play partway through FFX.

FFIV is my favourite FF game hands down. It had a great cast of characters that had personality, and were likeable, and the story was great for the most of it. The one thing that I like about this one though is the battle system, as it was the most fluent and easiest to use out of the FF games I have played. Also, there wasn't a lot of backtracking, which is a thing that I hate, as the airships made travel around the world easy as anything. If there's something I don't like it would either be the fact it gets really difficult if you get to the end of the game under leveled, like I did, or the fact that a lot of the locations in game aren't that memorable.

FFVII was a game I managed to find brand new about two or three years ago, so following the masses I decided to buy it and have a go.
They had the other PSone Final Fantasies in the shop that day; I should have bought VIII or IX instead.
I'm not a hater of this game, as I think Squaresoft did a fantastic job with the story on this one, and it is probably my favourite FF story. However, I knew the story before I played it, but I wasn't playing for the story, I was playing for the game. Sadly though, the game seems to be too focused on the storyline, using that as the thing to keep you motivated through the game, and this is something I disagree with. If I'm playing a game I will keep playing it because I enjoy the gameplay. If I have to play a game with terrible gameplay just to hear a story then I'm not interested.
The majority of characters had almost zero personality, specifically Cloud, the Shinra people, and Aeris. Barret and Tifa had little personality, but they were funny at times. Sephiroth was one of the coolest characters- not because of his villain status, but for the fact he was the only character I had any real feelings for. He was evil, but he had a reason for doing so, which made me sympathise with him.
I didn't like the Materia system, as I never knew what the heck I was supposed to do the level up my Materia, and it seemed to limit the amount of things each of my character could do.My most hated thing though was the amount of backtracking, and the fact that the game leaves you somewhere, then expects you to know what you are doing- with no one around you willing to give you hint. An objective menu or mission list would have been handy.

My final FF game (well, the first I played really) is Final Fantasy X.....
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X-2

OK, I enjoyed this more than FFVII, seriously. The story was just terribly bad at times that it was funny, and some of the characters were likable, such as Rikku and Paine (Yuna has the personality of a fish), and the fact that NPC's had voices helped draw me into their world. The world navigation was easy thanks to the Celcius, and you could actually view your objective, or mission when you needed to, and if you were in one place, chances are the mission would be taking place around there. A few more on foot paths connecting different places would have been nice though.
The battle system was really fun though, even if the dresspheres were a bit limiting. However, these limitations allowed you to build a team with the character classes you want- similar to the original games, but with an even larger choice.

In conclusion, FFIV is my favourite, and out of the 3 I've played, FFVII is my least favourite.
 

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FFVII was a game I managed to find brand new about two or three years ago, so following the masses I decided to buy it and have a go. They had the other PSone Final Fantasies in the shop that day; I should have bought VIII or IX instead.
I'm not a hater of this game, as I think Squaresoft did a fantastic job with the story on this one, and it is probably my favourite FF story. However, I knew the story before I played it, but I wasn't playing for the story, I was playing for the game. Sadly though, the game seems to be too focused on the storyline, using that as the thing to keep you motivated through the game, and this is something I disagree with. If I'm playing a game I will keep playing it because I enjoy the gameplay. If I have to play a game with terrible gameplay just to hear a story then I'm not interested.
The majority of characters had almost zero personality, specifically Cloud, the Shinra people, and Aeris. Barret and Tifa had little personality, but they were funny at times. Sephiroth was one of the coolest characters- not because of his villain status, but for the fact he was the only character I had any real feelings for. He was evil, but he had a reason for doing so, which made me sympathise with him.
I didn't like the Materia system, as I never knew what the heck I was supposed to do the level up my Materia, and it seemed to limit the amount of things each of my character could do.My most hated thing though was the amount of backtracking, and the fact that the game leaves you somewhere, then expects you to know what you are doing- with no one around you willing to give you hint. An objective menu or mission list would have been handy.
You summed up exactly why I didn't like FFVII. The only thing I liked about it was it's story, and even that had terrible characters and more holes than Swiss Cheese. And I shouldn't feel more synthetic for the villain over everyone else!
 

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Never really played a Final Fantasy game, although I do find VII fans very annoying. Maybe it's hypocritical of me (probably not the way to word that thought), me being a Zelda fan and a lover of OoT, but nostalgia has to go only so far. I'm definitely buying FF XIII Versus.
 
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