Fantastique Ice Climbers Discovery

[Foxy K]

FANTASTIQUE ICE CLIMBERS DISCOVERY
I'm pretty sure no one else has found this yet since I often hear people comment about how they don't have as many desynch options as they did in Melee. But what is it that I'm pretty sure no one else has found? In Brawl, the Ice Climbers now have the most versatile desynching method ever:

*You can desynch from any attack that hits the opponent, excluding the jab, Belay, or Ice Block.*

This means you can combo into your combos. I'm not COMPLETELY sure how this works, but Nintendude and I both think it's because of the insane hitbox lag in the game. Whenever you connect an attack, it slows for a second, and it gives you the window to input your desynch commands. It also explains why it's easier on laggier moves.

I made a video to show to what I'm talking about. Please note that you can do this technique with any attack except the ones mentioned above, but in the video I only used the Up smash, Fair, and Up tilt. The music is Fantastique by k-os.

*Will be posted when Youtube and Veoh stop sucking*

 

[Kyu Puff]

Actually... yeah. I've posted this in the de-sync thread.

What I've also noticed is that, as in the Squall Hammer, there is a short period of time when Popo and Nana are perfectly synched (which never happens otherwise). I believe this is somehow related to the Squall and Hit De-syncs. For example, taunt at the end of an f-smash, continuously taunt, and it should look like Nana isn't even there.

 

[Speedsk8er]

I kinda figured we'd be able to desynch from the hitlag. Is it like the tipper desynch or can it be done from both attacks connecting?

 

[Kyu Puff]

Both attacks connect. Test it out in training mode to see the number of hits. The one exception seems to be that you can't desynch from an f-air spike, but you can when it hits away. I can't figure that one out.

Anyways, I recently found out that the roll/taunt/spotdodge desynchs from Melee had the same mechanic. There was a period of time when you could desynch, and a period of time where they were perfectly synched. We could never explain those, so I'm unsure if we'll ever be able to explain this.

 

[Speedsk8er]

Why isn't this discussed more in depth? This is a good desynch and I've been using it more and more lately.

Ftilt->Block chaser
SHNair->Nana FFBlock-> chase
SHBair-> Reverse Block Chaser
Utilt-> N Uair -> P Uair


CMON PEOPLE! There are so many possibilities for this.


Also, I think there is a way to desynch form the jabs. I think the timing is just REALLY strict.

 

[KRDsonic]

I've known about this from playing around desyncing by hitting the sandbad qhile waiting for a match to start on wifi. You have to be quick about it, but it works. I personally don't desync from this because after I hit I tend to like to chase after my opponent.

 

[Speedsk8er]

I've known about this from playing around desyncing by hitting the sandbad qhile waiting for a match to start on wifi. You have to be quick about it, but it works. I personally don't desync from this because after I hit I tend to like to chase after my opponent.

That's why I do alot of block chasers. It gives you decent control of the ground, it leaves Nana safely behind for a bit. If they sheild the block, you grab. If they knock the block away, you grab/attack them out of the lag. If they try to jump over, you juggle them with Uairs. Yes, you're sacrificing extra damage BUT, you're gaining more control of the field, which make up for the lost damage anyways.

 

[B0NK]

The only one I tend to use is Utilt-> N Uair -> P Uair because it comes naturally to me to use the U-air after an U-tilt. I never thought about using Ice Block chasers with this. I'll try it out when I get a chance. Sounds like a useful strategy.

 

[Hylian]

I thought this was common knowledge :/.

 

[Speedsk8er]

I thought this was common knowledge :/.

Maybe it is, but there isn't any discussion on it and I certainly haven't seen any people using it.