(Falco)Edgehogging

[Volrec]

My Falco is fine, its just that I think I can do better. When responding, please answer these questions:

-Lets say, you fsmash a fox the wrong way on FD. He goes flying, but only with enough force with a firefox to grab the ledge. What is the fastest way of getting there? Either:
A. Running shine-turn wavedash. This is very good, but i find myself illusioning the the other way 30% of the time. Do you do this?
B.Run, roll to the edge, SH backwards. This is the slowest way, but with 100% chance of getting the ledge. The thing is, the fox is most likely on the stage by now.
C. Heres a technique I found
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6GBzXNLrQrU
This is what i'm using currently, THOUGH its very dangerous. I think its the fastest, IMO. It's also cool looking. It glitters, AND its gold [/****pun]
d. Any other techniques that you use for edgegrabbing.

Note thats only to get there quickly. If the fox is off the edge or right there, i'd go with WD back, or anything I want to do.

Please respond.

 

[Ryan-K]

rolling isnt that slow because you do it when you are within rolling range of the ledge anyway.

 

[F8AL]

Wavedash backwards onto the edge or go to the edge face the other way and short hop backwards onto the ledge. Take your pick.

 

[wuthefwasthat]

hmm that is pretty cool.
im gonna try that. and then go straight into the down b up b stall.

 

[Volrec]

I mean, from one end of FD to another.

 

[Giggidax]

that technique is actually slower than shine > turn around > wavedash back because u have to run all the way off the ledge. its cool looking, u can use it to be fancy if u want. i prefer the simple shine>wavedash edgehog

 

[FrostByte]

Drop off, use your double jump and spike him. It's the most basic thing to do, but it works fastest and gets the job done while inflicting pain on your opponent.

 

[Volrec]

Thanks for the opinions guys, keep em coming

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

ok, here's my opinion in the scenario that you need to get all the way across FD.

SHL your way over to the other side. And i say this for two reasons
-if you dash, shorthop, fastfall, dash, shorthop etc with falco, it's faster then his running speed
-the lasers MAY keep your opponent slightly pinned back long enough for you to get there.


once you hit the other side. you can do the shine, turn, WD back but that's a bit risky. you COULD CC your dash, turn and SH back. of shine, turn, and shorthop back. anything like that.

 

[Stryk9]

have you considered blaster hopping forward mixxed with running?

that way you interupt his recovery


but of course this only work if hes at stage level or above

 

[Nightblade]

have you considered blaster hopping forward mixxed with running?

that way you interupt his recovery


but of course this only work if hes at stage level or above

Don't they get another Up+B recovery though?

Why not just dash, short hop, shine turn over the edge to catch it?

 

[wuthefwasthat]

ok, here's my opinion in the scenario that you need to get all the way across FD.

SHL your way over to the other side. And i say this for two reasons
-if you dash, shorthop, fastfall, dash, shorthop etc with falco, it's faster then his running speed
-the lasers MAY keep your opponent slightly pinned back long enough for you to get there.


once you hit the other side. you can do the shine, turn, WD back but that's a bit risky. you COULD CC your dash, turn and SH back. of shine, turn, and shorthop back. anything like that.

or you can reverse SHL and slide into an edgehog

 

[tarheeljks]

i usually use a, sometimes i use rshl to face backwards.

 

[Nightblade]

i usually use a, sometimes i use rshl to face backwards.

rshl? I get the feeling you would miss the ledge for some reason (fall past), I'll go check that :x

 

[invertigo]

if youre awesome like me, you use a rshl which lands close enough to the edge you fall onto the ledge. even if you miss the edge, you are close enough and facing backwards so you can wd immediately.

fastest way, undeniably. it works easier if you dont ff it and the hop goes farther.

end of conversation. :D

 

[Bonzar]

Wierd PC Chris edghog technique

I notice in PC Chris's matches with Ken, PC just walks to the edge and immediatly edgehogs .
Watch at 2:04

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9pYIadEGBsc

Does anybody know how to do this?

 

[peachori]

you just have to walk to the edge and turn, your momentum/traction just makes you slip off the edge and you turn and grab the ledge. but it only works out of a walk, i think.

 

[Bonzar]

you just have to walk to the edge and turn, your momentum/traction just makes you slip off the edge and you turn and grab the ledge. but it only works out of a walk, i think.

Can u confirm this? I'll try it as soon as i get on smash.

 

[mathos]

Yes thats how you do it. Its kinda tricky tough.

 

[Youngdude111]

ok, here's my opinion in the scenario that you need to get all the way across FD.

SHL your way over to the other side. And i say this for two reasons
-if you dash, shorthop, fastfall, dash, shorthop etc with falco, it's faster then his running speed
-the lasers MAY keep your opponent slightly pinned back long enough for you to get there.


once you hit the other side. you can do the shine, turn, WD back but that's a bit risky. you COULD CC your dash, turn and SH back. of shine, turn, and shorthop back. anything like that.

Something just occured to me as I was reading this (which means I haven't tried this yet). If you're SHL approaching the edge, then I think the thing to do is to do a reverse SHL for the last one, finishing it off by landing on the edge or wavedashing onto the edge.

EDIT:
I think what PC does is use the momentum from the initial dashing animation to send him off the edge. Falco has a lot of traction, though so this is probably really hard...

 

[Lokii]

you could run up to the edge and shine turnaround, but instead of WDing back out of it you could just sh backwards out of the shine and grab the edge.

 

[Giggidax]

u can either dash dance near the edge and then pivot near the ledge right before u fall off, this is hard to do. or u can try and walk up to the ledge and turn around as soon as u fall off, also pretty difficult.

 

[Volrec]

I just got some clips of me doing the pivot edgehog. They'll be up on youtube soon.

 

[Mrathswrath]

I usually run off the stage into a phantasm to grab the ledge

 

[Bonzar]

I just got some clips of me doing the pivot edgehog. They'll be up on youtube soon.

Thanks for making a vid. I think that the 'pivot edgehog' is the most fastest and safest way to edgehog. I wonder if other characters can do it.

 

[invertigo]

Something just occured to me as I was reading this (which means I haven't tried this yet). If you're SHL approaching the edge, then I think the thing to do is to do a reverse SHL for the last one, finishing it off by landing on the edge or wavedashing onto the edge.

EDIT:
I think what PC does is use the momentum from the initial dashing animation to send him off the edge. Falco has a lot of traction, though so this is probably really hard...

id like to point out that i posted the method that "just occurred" to you on the previous page. and about pc chris, he doesnt dash, he walks. mathos already confirmed this. stop speculating all these things that we already finished talking about.

the pc chris edgeguard is actually pretty easy with some practice. at first i thought it was ridiculous but now i see why pc chris uses it, its pretty reliable. just fullspeed walk towards the edge and lightly press the other direction near the end. press it lightly enough so that he doesnt sprint, he just turns around in place. you also have to press it earlier than i originally thought.

edit: i posted an instructional video on my brother's youtube cuz i was bored haha. check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6DI-Ldj1DI

hey gamer put this in your guide

sorry volrec i didnt notice that you made one too.
personally i use wavedash, SH, or run off and phantasm back. this is too hard for me to use all the time.

 

[Volrec]

Dude, I hate you for making that video.

 

[invertigo]

<3 sorry! right after i posted it i noticed that you were about to post one. post yours anyway, cerlov.

 

[Volrec]

I hate you because it kicks the **** out of mine xD

 

[boricuaboy]

i was playing 2day i was falco against a fox and i was in that situation i just kept short hopping blaster fast fall about 2 times but when i got there i spiked him... but if you want 2 grab the ledge than u could do a shine turnaround instead

 

[invertigo]

short hop ftw!

 

[Kendiro]

u can run-short hop and illusion back=P

 

[invertigo]

why short hop. just run, drop, illusion back.

 

[Kendiro]

I think its a bit faster o.o'
and u can try hiting the guy with it also
the illusion hits a bit behind u xD

 

[chlor0form]

Okay, so basically you SHL your way to the edge after dashes (if your opponent has the chance of getting hit). If this isn't the case, just trot (it's way faster). When closing in on the edge, leave some room to shine, change direction, and wavedash into an edgehog. Stall. zDone.

 

[Kendiro]

thats what most do because its good
but as he said, a lot of times u miss when shine-change direction and illusion the other way
if u see bomb's games for example there is always some times he does that
but anyway xD

 

[invertigo]

there are faster ways. pointed out in this thread.

 

[Kendiro]

I think the best is sh and use laser to opposite side,letting some space from the ledge, so ull fall and automaticaly slide to the edge

there are faster ways. pointed out in this thread.

what ways o.o?

 

[All_Characters]

I'm pretty sure this situation is nearly impossible.

When falcos smash side A hits the other way, the opponent goes very high up. I can't imagine a situation in which a fox couldn't make it PAST the edge.

In that case, you should egde guard instead, which of course is a whole other conversation.

 

[Kendiro]

u misundertood =P
that is a way to edgehog:
u Short hop and use blaster to the other side
I think shiz does that on one of his videos =P