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[DaShizWiz]

Ok everyone. I want the whole Falco community to check out these vids, and give some tips/advice/whatever you want to call it. Guys, I want to know what you all think I should improve on. What should I improve on. I'm going to have a mini section of videos that I think you guys would enjoy, and videos that I think I could of done better in, which are the ones I would like you guys to give me some help on. I'll label the sections. If you guys like anything in the vids or see an area that could of been a help to me but I messed up, please post your thoughts.

Enjoyable Vids

1. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4WOWPCdzyqY
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LhMwLO9iXc&NR=1
3. http://youtube.com/watch?v=lX4hKxX6cXU


Improving Vids

1. http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Ia9bb5fM2M
2. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ayp7DdTZwc&mode=related&search=
3. http://youtube.com/watch?v=aKs6oi3cn7E



The last improvable vid vs MikeG is about a year and a couple months old though.... but still anything is appreciated.

 

[Squeek727]

Those were some good matches. I really liked watching your Falco since it gives me sometime to learn off of. Keep the good work up!

 

[nice1]

thanx for the vids

 

[illboyzeus]

I don't know if I can critique anything about your Falco, sometimes youre too flashy but, it is your overall playstyle anyway. Your the Falco I aspire to be however, try to check out a few of my vids to give me some pointers.

 

[InfiniteGXT]

Only 3 people can critique your falco.

Dope, Forward, and PC

 

[itsneverfair]

umm in that falco ditto with forward, how did you do those edge techs after being hit by the down smash? what do you press and when?

 

[mathos]

Well . . . .

Match 1 against XIF: Personally I hate aggressive Falco, so I would say the more lasers. But from the middle on you lit him up pretty well. The problem is that if a Peach knows you're going to press them they should change up their playstyle instead of acting like Samus with Up B trickies.

Match 2 against Metal_Doc (with Queen's tag?!?!): You guys immediately jump after being knocked off the stage. And as all Falco players know they want you to do that because you'll get hit by the laser. There's nothing wrong with delaying your jump. And personally I don't like uair for combos, I find it unreliable.

Match 3 against Forward: I noticed this with MD too, when you tech you should mix up overb and upb. But other than that I got nothing. But it looked like Forward caught you off guard with the lasers lol.

Overall you like to be flashy. Sometimes it works out because your opponent doesn't know what to do against the pressure, but other times you seem to just let your fingers play. Where's the mindgames.

I'll take at look at your other matches later though.

 

[JBM falcon08]

how exactly would you say shiz plays flashy? i'd like to hear the description of a flashy falco.

if being the most technical falco that has ever existed gives you the title of being flashy well thats kind of odd.

my definition of flashy- doing things that look good on videos, yet they really serve no purpose in the matches and if you make a mistake at the wrong time you will be punished for it.

and shiz are you honestly capable of thinking about what your doing when playing your falco? sometimes i wonder if your even able to think because your falco is like nonstop moving and sometimes i wonder if you slowed it down just a bit you'd play better. because there is no falco out there that can measure up to your technical skill but forward showed you playing a smart falco can defeat a very technical-aggressive falco.

for the most part i'd say either learn to play smarter at the speed you play at or slow it down and just revolve around making better decisions, because honestly it seems that is really your only problem. btw plz don't take this as me degrading you because it isn't, you could just play smarter thats all.

 

[K.C. Cloud]

Shiz to me you do alot of things that just seem to be unnessacary as well as alot of pre-emptive things expecting to hit your opponent which in most cases leaves you open.

From what I saw however, only a few people took advantages of those opportunities in those matches. Camp a bit more and use the lasers more affectively than what you are. I noted the fact that in one thread you said that camping isn't your style so it's rough for you to do but you don't have to full fledge camp. Just more than what you do now to give yourself more time to think about the best options and/or approaches.

Grab more, instead of SHFFL into shines 80% of the time, do into a grab and develop a good grab game. Especially when the opponent is just blocking the entire time. Pressure is nice and all but most of the time it is unnessecary work that is really unneeded when a well placed grab can put them in a even more dangerous or awkward position.

Really is just boils down to being a bit 'gayer' and just making some better decisions instead of trying rush them. Though this does depend on the Character and player you are up against.

Peach - Mix up your SHFFL shines and grabs. Switch between the two especially if you see them crouch canceling already.

I'd say use more Grabs in Falco dittos too. If you develope a good grab game you can start some nice stuff.

So on and so forth...

Side Note @ JBM Falcon: Shiz is technical, but just because he can Multishine a few times in a row doesn't make him the most technical falco. Quite a few players can move at his speed but they just choose not to. Though, he does have nice tech skill none the less.

 

[Driz]

I'm in no place to critique you but I do agree with Mathos on each of the matches

I was very imprssed however with your ledge teching you seem to do it everytime.

 

[mathos]

Shiz to me you do alot of things that just seem to be unnessacary as well as alot of pre-emptive things expecting to hit your opponent which in most cases leaves you open.

My definition of flashy once combined with raw technical ability.

 

[cyberdemon]

If I have learned something, is that being flashy and/or technical is not very good; unless it's combined with good mindgames and good strategy.

Look at PC Chris, he is NOT the most technical of falcos, but he surely wins some major tourneys.

 

[DaShizWiz]

Thanks guys for all your help. Especially JBM, K.C, and Mathos. But guys, did you not read my post? The matches you guys are critiquing are mainly in the enjoyable section, those are just for entertainment. You guys are not even supposed to critique those(Even though I do appreciate some of the feedback(I guess)). You guys are supposed to critique the section that says Improve. So what you guys say about Flashy would not be relevant. Guys, I know, I was messing around in the friendly with Metal_Doc, its obvious I was tyring to be Flashy. But hey, it was just a friendly/don't critique that. The ones I wanted Critique on were just the ones vs Forward/MikeG/Darkrain. And vs Forward/Darkrain/MikeG, I wasn't trying to be Flashy at all, the only time I used multishines was when I was trying to pressure/surprise them with something different. I totally agree, multishines are Flashy, which are the reason I used them in Friendlies, but guys I didn't use it in a Flashy way in the fights that were actually important.

Now like I said, thanks to the people that actually critiqued the right vids, and the ones that didn't and critiqued the wrong vids. Please read my first post.

I don't want to sound angry. But it annoys me when I'm being told that I play too Flashy, when people are critiquing the wrong vids.

What advice do you guys have for the vids that were to be critiqued?

 

[UCbizerkeley]

Thanks guys for all your help. Especially JBM, K.C, and Mathos. But guys, did you not read my post? The matches you guys are critiquing are mainly in the enjoyable section, those are just for entertainment. You guys are not even supposed to critique those(Even though I do appreciate some of the feedback(I guess)). You guys are supposed to critique the section that says Improve. So what you guys say about Flashy would not be relevant. Guys, I know, I was messing around in the friendly with Metal_Doc, its obvious I was tyring to be Flashy. But hey, it was just a friendly/don't critique that. The ones I wanted Critique on were just the ones vs Forward/MikeG/Darkrain. And vs Forward/Darkrain/MikeG, I wasn't trying to be Flashy at all, the only time I used multishines was when I was trying to pressure/surprise them with something different. I totally agree, multishines are Flashy, which are the reason I used them in Friendlies, but guys I didn't use it in a Flashy way in the fights that were actually important.

Now like I said, thanks to the people that actually critiqued the right vids, and the ones that didn't and critiqued the wrong vids. Please read my first post.

I don't want to sound angry. But it annoys me when I'm being told that I play too Flashy, when people are critiquing the wrong vids.

What advice do you guys have for the vids that were to be critiqued?

I may not be a smash god, but I have achieved a level of competency in certain venues that I would MM myself up to nearly any amount against any unknown, namely Pool. Along the way I learned a few things, and I will tell you right now, the mentality you portrayed in that post is naive and fraught with egotism.

There is no such thing as critiquing the "right vids," there just isn't. Was it a coincidence that every vid that was in the "enjoyment" section was a win? While the "improve" section were losses? I laughed outloud when I saw that Forward 1 was in enjoyment, while the two losses were in critique.

That breakdown raises a number of points. Do you feel that because you won, there was nothing to improve? That is terribly unlikely, and could depend more on your opponent's performance than your own, which could in turn mean you are asking for the wrong material to be critiqued.

This goes for everybody - if you post a vid, it should be critiqued, no matter if you won or lost. Wins and losses SHOULDN'T matter in terms of improvement, because there are many more factors that go into a win or loss than JUST your skill in that one round.

Lastly, and this got me the most, people don't like to be chided for offering advice. They took their time to review your vids, offer constructive criticism, and you took what you didn't like and threw it back in their face.

This became very long winded, and I apologize, but it irks me to no end when people are ungrateful and egocentric.

 

[mathos]

Lol at Shiz, people can critique whatever they want.

I don't really have anything on the other vids. But what I did notice is that you're not in control of the match. You're always on the defensive, and not like "I'm gonna camp" but you're just reacting to the opponent or getting owned.

 

[DaShizWiz]

Whys there animosity towards me Mathos?

I just wanted you guys to critique a different section, I never said you guys couldn't critique those vids. I just said those weren't the ones I wanted critiqued which to me were the right vids. I just don't want people to have a different judgement of the way I play with vids of me just messing around.

Ucb, sorry if I sounded egotistic. *I just reviewed the post and I totally agree, it does sound egocentric*.

Mathos Again: That wasn't necessary to say getting owned even if it is true. I mean I am playing against people that are the best with their characters.

 

[mathos]

Sorry Shiz it wasn't meant to sound like that. But after I reread it, it did seem mean.

Your game during against the higher levels players should be different than playing the lesser skilled people. Thats not a degradation to Metal, XIF, or . You play a very aggressive style and when you're playing against the other three it doens't pay off well because they're use to the up in your face Falco. And for that reason you're not in control of the match.

I don't have any real specific advice for Forward. He's too good. haha

Although against DR, and CF for that matter, tech chasing is their entire game. The problem with that is that all CF's play a different tech chase game. You need to learn his habits quickly because he knows the general ideas of players. But I'm sure you already know that. Darkrain is very good against space animals.

And against Mike G you came back at the same angle everytime: just above the ledge. He caught on and threw turnips higher. But other than that I liked the way you played it. A little hit and run game doens't hurt, but remember the idea of hit and run to keep your opponent off guard. Peach is most off guard in the air (theres no dsmash).

 

[DaShizWiz]

Thanks Mathos.

And yeah your right, I realize that playing too aggressively doesn't work too good against better skilled people. I think what I should do from the feedback I'm getting is I should try to play technical, but definitely more smart. Which is kind of a problem for me because I'm so used to the aggressive style. Like Forward, IMO against me in the matches, he was playing smart and technical at the same time. And after the matches we were talking, and I need what he said, more experience. I need to learn how to play like that, and rescently I've been trying it out and it works better than being technical IMO. So yeah, thanks for the feedback, I'll try to incorporate thinking more in my game, and not just approaching/reacting to them most of the time. And yes, I should start camping, because I need to start doing what I gotta do.

Everyone wish me luck, for I am going to a tournament tomorrow. I'm pretty sure vids will be recorded. I would like you guys to check it out and see if I'm applying the feedback that you guys have provided me with correctly.

 

[Inevitable]

i am too good

 

[Oskurito]

I guess you already know what you've gotta do... You're great player, well actually you're my favorite falco player. LOL

Well, Good Luck in your tournament

 

[DaShizWiz]

Thanks Oskurito, I appreciate it. And yeah, I hope I do good this upcoming tournament.

 

[itsneverfair]

can someone answer my question ? =(

umm in that falco ditto with forward, how did you do those edge techs after being hit by the down smash? what do you press and when?

 

[DaShizWiz]

I'm sorry itsneverfair, sure I'll answer your question.

The only reason I was able to tech his Dsmash was because he did the Dsmash late, he did it when I reached the edge. The purpose of him edgeguarding with the Dsmash is so he can hit me before I get to the edge. But he messed up, and timed it a little off. So I took advantage of thd opportunity of hitting the ledge, so I teched it. You can tech any move, as long as you touch the edge.

 

[meepxzero]

Shiz Wiz!!! Ur falco has so much pontential =D. Yah forward is right you just need more experience with good people. The only small weakness in your general game I see is your use of lasers. Its kind of as mathos says you dont have control over the match. You just use lasers as a form of approach and nothing else. I know you probably dont believe in over abusing lasers, but the only falco ive seen pull that off real well is PC and he has some pretty crazy mindgames, but even against people with crazier mindgames (azen) he spams lasers but intelligently (look at vids of azen v pc at aneheim.)

You could use lasers to get ur opponent to make mistakes. Instead of moving around real fancy just shoot a laser or two to keep pressure on your opponent. going theres nothing wrong with following patterns with falco as long as your opponent cant find a way around it then you would mix stuff up to confuse them more and by that time you would have won the match most likely. Nothing wrong with being overly technical just make the most of all the moves you do. Thats pretty much the beauty of BS he plays overly technical but he picks the right moves to use majority of the time.

I hope this helps as my falco itself isnt that great. >_>

 

[FalseFalco]

Shiz,

I admire your Falco's aggressive style so much. My Falco used to be similar, but lately I've been so much mroe defensive and careful because I've experienced how much Falco can get destroyed. The vids are a good inspiration to me because they show the essence of what aggressive Falco is all about; No fear. I play smash constantly in fear of the possibilities of my opponents character, but your Falco manages to go out there and take away those possibilities and substitute your own. Keep up the good work.

</pep talk>

 

[Jem.]

I've already known you were good, just thought I'd tell you.

 

[DaShizWiz]

Wow, I really appreciate the advice and tips you guys are giving me. Thanks Meep a lot for that post. I think that is exactly my problem. And mathos, thank you for telling me to be a bit gayer. And thank you FalseFalco and Jem for your comments. Thanks to you guys(Especially Mathos because he told me to be gay and stuff before the tournament that commensed yesterday) I was able to get 1st place and win $231. And I won teams with Noucles getting $60. I played just as mathos said, more gayer and I think some what smarter. Can't wait for you guys to see the vids. They should be coming out soon.

 

[Oskurito]

Congratulations . I'll like to see the vids to check out your new style, post them as soon as they're ready plz

 

[DaShizWiz]

Yeah, Phanna will be posting them in the 1v1 section.

But, I do still play aggressive, but I think I've slowed down a little. And if you guys see some Phantasm tricks, I got them from Forward.

 

[mathos]

Gay is the way to go

 

[Oskurito]

Hmm talking about phantasm there's a combo with falco against fox on FD that you dair>waveshine (x3) (the fox must be DIng into one direction all the time so he goes off the stage) then when he's in the air jump (short hop) turn around into a phantasm so you hit him(meteor) and return safely to the stage, it looks pretty cool but it's somehow useless since your opponent can meteor cancel it. TWIN does it most of the times.

 

[tarheeljks]

why would you even risk doing that?

 

[Da N]

Yeah i mean i try to phantasm the person into the dark abyss and still try to make it back to the stage but most of the times I die.

 

[Zankoku]

Reverse Phantasm can't be that difficult. I just see a problem in how often you can get a setup for it.

 

[Da N]

Its actually harder than it looks cus you have to make sure your the right distance away from the ledge and you have to hit the opponent.

 

[DaShizWiz]

Yeah I think I've seen Twin do that Oskurito. Its pretty cool.

 

[Da N]

It does look pretty cool but like i said if youve ever tried it its hard.

 

[Zankoku]

Not really. Phantasming the ledge isn't difficult. It's just that hitting the opponent with the Phantasm won't happen often, because you need a proper setup for it.

 

[Nightblade]

I'm pretty terrible at smash, but hopefully I can help some.

vs. Forward.
It seemed like you were reacting to Forward most of the time and you were trying to act and not react. Forward definitely had the rhythm going in that game, and he did seem to be able to predict your moves quite a bit. You are known for playing aggressively and people try and play it against you. One of the hardest habits to break is doing the same thing over and over again if it works once or twice. Even mid-match, try switching back to laser/shield grab tactics. Let them come to you a bit more.

vs. Darkrain
Falcon's tech-chasing can be extremely annoying, and instead of tech-rolling, try just a tech, or attack-up, or simply stand. If he starts going one way, he's probably trying to lure you into going the other way, so roll into where he's going and he'll probably have a harder time getting the grab. I'd say reverse short-hop laser is your friend in this match. Also, while a ledge-hopped dair is often useful for edge-guarding, I think a bair is going to be safer 90% of the time, especially on the left side (I think it was around 0:57 on the match)

vs. MikeG
First off, I think Peach is Falco's toughest match-up. She's hard to camp with lasers, and being aggressive means you'll eat her down smash. By the end of the match Mike started to get the best of you. When this happens, you've got to change gears. If they think you're going to go charge because you've done it six or seven times, just start camping lasers, waiting for them to make a mistake.

Hope I helped, and if anything sounded mean, nooby, or anything I probably didn't mean it ^^;

 

[jacobrhcp]

I'd try being more defensive, you seem to be maily offense thar.

Euh.. I can't really help you on the techs and mindgames andcetera, but in a general sense I look at other players like PC, Forward and Bombsoldier and see they're not as agressive as you are oftenly. (well, forward can be too)... So I guess not-attacking a little more would make you less predictable.

Hop that helps