Exclusive content-why so entitled?

[soviet prince]

(disclaimer: ik that more then likely they be the same)
I am sorry not trying to be mean but a lot of the smash fans I see are feeling entitled. No one complains when pokemon has 2 games with EXCLUSIVE pokemon or other games that have a wiiu and a 3ds version having different content on the superior system.

The argument that not every one has a wii u is just plain bad and whinny, not everyone has a ps4 or xbox1 so do you think sony or Microsoft can’t have ps4 or xbox1 games? The short answer is no because if you don’t have that console you don’t get the game short and simple. Nintendo has every right to have an exclusive characters on the 20$ higher and more powerful WII U and to be honest was a stupid idea for them to every state that they will share a roster in the first place. Thanks to this all SAME roster a lot of ppl are vouching for were prob going to lose ice climbers, have lost Pokemon trainer and any other unique newcomers that could use the mech plus is the real reasons there no more transformations in the game( don’t bring the quote about sakurai saying it’s for balance or whatever that was just an excuse to not go out and confirm that the 3ds held stuff back).

I believe it very fair that the version I pay 20 more bucks for is needed to unlock the remaining characters, I intevsted in there system and deserve the reward of doing such. So in conclusion to summarize this entire block of words for the ppl that have no patience: If you want more character pay the price like the rest of the wiiu owners, if not deal with the cheaper version with less content.

 

[Beatness]

I don't think Sakurai works like that. Sakurai likes to release full and complete games. That's why he doesn't have plans for DLC yet, because he feels like he should just work on making the game complete first. So I really don't think Sakurai would be down with having locked content on either game.

Having both games should be a bonus, not a requirement to play the full game.

 

[TimeSmash]

The 3DS is pretty cheap now and the WiiU lacks portability. There's two reasons right there I'd get the 3DS version (though I am getting both). Obivously the WiiU is going to have some cool exclusive stuff, and possibly more elaborate stages, more trophies, whatever. Which like you said, is understandable because the WiiU is seen as more as the "definitive version" of Smash 4. It's kind of like how all the different Cave Story versions were released, with the 3DS version being a pinnacle of all the versions, according to critics. But even though they were all slightly different, they all had the main game. The 3DS version was viewed as a highlight for its making the game 3D and exclusive modes, but Cave Story can be enjoyed just as much when downloaded for free. Some people actually prefer the 16-bit(?) version for nostalgic purposes. Smash 4 is similar but not identical to this--not having the same roster in both games would lead to pretty harsh rebuke. That's almost like saying flat out that portable games are inferior, which hardware-wise may be true, but gameplay-wise, most definitely not. There are several portable games that are incredible highlights for their systems (Golden Sun, The World Ends With You, and Fire Emblem: Awakening come to mind). Sure the portable will have less features, but it will retain the core gameplay, which is hugely based on character selection.

I don't think Sakurai would be completely against DLC for someone like Ice Climbers, because they're a special case. It's not like they had a time constraint exactly, it's just the 3DS hardware at this point can't handle it. And ICs have caused problems in programming anyways, or so I hear. For the most part, he is a completionist, but I could see him adding small aesthetic DLC updates in the vein of alternate costumes, stage textures, and the like

 

[soviet prince]

I think a free dlc on wii u's release (free ) would be a good thing to do, and the 3ds like it or not is the inferior version, just like the ps3 is inferior to the ps4. ( when i say inferior I mean power)

 

[Deleted member]

Erm, one question. Wouldn't it be unfair to have exclusive DLC only for the Wii U version instead of one for both games?

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Erm, one question. Wouldn't it be unfair to have exclusive DLC only for the Wii U version instead of one for both games?

Agreed, why fragment the userbase? Especially for a fighting game.

 

[Morbi]

The inherent issue that I see is that there is very little incentive to buy the Wii U version of the game. The stages and exclusive game-mode will be enough for everyone here, as we are all, more likely than not, dedicated Smash fans; however, I question the competence of any consumer willing to purchase a Wii U AND the same game once again that is 20 dollars more expensive after they have had only about two months to enjoy the game.

Should there be exclusive characters? Of course.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea. Given the state on the Wii U, Nintendo doesn't have the right to pull rank on anyone. Sometimes people don't have the time and finances it takes to fully enjoy a block buster titles, so having the full experience on the go to at their convenience is great, especially if you're out on business or tend to travel.

It's not fair of you to expect that everyone falls into the same socioeconomic nich as you do, and that those of us who cannot afford it should just deal with it. Games that do this like Call of Duty and many of the Street Fighter 4 installments prove that fans don't favor being alienated. There are enough odd money grabs that Nintendo is forking over, doing something like offering more characters exclusively to Wii U owners will ultimately backlash.

Be happy with what you have. You can't get what you want all the time.

 

[mimgrim]

I'd say the one acting entitled is you, in all honesty.

You know what they say. Practice what you preach.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

The inherent issue that I see is that there is very little incentive to buy the Wii U version of the game. The stages and exclusive game-mode will be enough for everyone here, as we are all, more likely than not, dedicated Smash fans; however, I question the competence of any consumer willing to purchase a Wii U AND the same game once again that is 20 dollars more expensive after they have had only about two months to enjoy the game.

Should there be exclusive characters? Of course.

Agree to disagree. My incentive is I don't have 3DS. Even so I would purchase the same game, because of portability, but that's just me.
Imagine if you had just a 3DS and you really wanted to main Lucas, for arguments sake, and he was WiiU exclusive. Why should the average user miss out just because, it was decided that there should be version exclusives. We need equality between versions lololololol. But that's just my opinion. I take what I can get, so this doesn't bother me.

 

[Soul.]

The games are fine the way they are. As @Flight said, it would be unfair to 3DS owners because of Wii U having "exclusive characters". Wii U owners are happy with the exclusive content and 3DS owners get disappointed for not getting the same thing. Even if the 3DS isn't powerful, it at least does something.
The characters were meant to be the same in both versions for a reason. It would be the more logical choice.
This is just what I think, so yeah.

 

[Khao]

I got both systems, and I'm planning on getting both versions.

But I really, really don't want to see exclusive characters. I don't want to be limited on which characters I have access to because of the version I'm currently playing, I'd rather see both versions getting the same roster. And if DLC characters come, they better be available for both Wii U and 3DS.

I really don't get where you're trying to go with this "entitlement" deal. If anything, I'd say it's kinda selfish wanting to get exclusive content just to feel like the version you own is more special.

edit:

To add to that, I'm fine with exclusive content, like Smash Run and whatever the Wii U is getting (I'm putting my money on another single player mode to go alongside classic, as well as event matches) but characters completely change the way in which you experience that content, as the gameplay mechanics change depending on who you're currently playing as. If you have a main that's only available in one version, you'd be screwed when playing in the other one, and that's not fair for anyone involved, whether you're getting it for 3DS, Wii U, or both.

It'd be fine if the Wii U was an update/expansion/sequel for the 3DS, but it's not, it's simply a separate version of the same game coming up a little bit late, for a system with different capabilities.

 

[Ehn Jolly]

I don't see why the Wii U should have exclusive characters myself. It seems like people are thinking of Sm4sh for Wii U as the 'superior' version, when Nintendo's not taking that route at all. It's literally to them 'just the other version.' They're going to want to treat both the same, so I'm not sure why people are saying "Wii U DESERVES more because reasons."

I do believe the Wii U version should have something to make up for a lack of Smash Run, which would be the incentive to pick it up over the 3ds version. But I don't think the only support for the game post release should be Wii U centered, as that just doesn't seem like smart marketing. If they make DLC, it's better to put it out for both, especially with the 3ds's install base, as you'd probably sell a ton more DLC characters for it at first anyways, instead of just saying "Lol, sorry you bought the crappy version, deal with your total lack of support!"

Seriously, this just feels like entitled Wii U players more than anything else.

 

[Moldy Clay]

The topic is kind of useless because it is Sakurai who PRE-EMPTIVELY decided that it wouldn't be fair.

Has nothing to do with entitled fans. In fact, most people probably would've never considered the possibility had Sakurai not brought it up. Just like nobody would be discussing Ice Climbers being cut over technical reasons. It's stuff he planted there and everyone latched onto it even though they'd never have thought it in the first place.

I agree, no other game has this bs, but it isn't because of entitled fans. Sakurai just wanted to avoid the possibility of people whining about it.

Then proceeds to make EVERYTHING ELSE different.

I don't see why the Wii U should have exclusive characters myself. It seems like people are thinking of Sm4sh for Wii U as the 'superior' version, when Nintendo's not taking that route at all. It's literally to them 'just the other version.' They're going to want to treat both the same, so I'm not sure why people are saying "Wii U DESERVES more because reasons."

That's not it at all.

They are being treated as DIFFERENT games. Different stages, modes, trophies and music. Everything but the roster. They are not the same game, therefore, they should not have the same roster.

Pokemon X & Y? Same game.
Mario Kart 7 & Mario Kart 8? Completely different games, with different stages, music, karts and rosters.

SSB3DS and SSBU are literally different games that are arbitrarily using the same roster. Has nothing to do with superior versions or entitlement, it's because it makes no sense. It's just people being stupid.

I was excited for a roster focusing on, and highlighting more handheld characters on 3DS, but instead I'm just getting the same one. If anything, it makes the Wii U version lose excitement. We know its roster, and will experience it, months in advance.

The only thing justifying the Wii U game now, outside of diehards (like many of us) 'needing it for no reason, is if it has a special mode and because 'omg hdtv ssb couch multiplayer', which is more or less a formality.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

The topic is kind of useless because it is Sakurai who PRE-EMPTIVELY decided that it wouldn't be fair.

Has nothing to do with entitled fans. In fact, most people probably would've never considered the possibility had Sakurai not brought it up. Just like nobody would be discussing Ice Climbers being cut over technical reasons. It's stuff he planted there and everyone latched onto it even though they'd never have thought it in the first place.

I agree, no other game has this bs, but it isn't because of entitled fans. Sakurai just wanted to avoid the possibility of people whining about it.

Then proceeds to make EVERYTHING ELSE different.

Does Sakurai really need to say something for people to realize that something is not fair?

I don't need a public announcement from a developer to realize that things like Call of Duty DLC with additional weapons and maps available only to those who have the money to afford it is bull****. I have to pay for internet and an internet service to enjoy a prominent feature in the game, but to fully enjoy it I have to spend even more money? Bull****. Given the event that I cannot afford internet and Xbox live/ Playstation plus I should be able to enjoy my game, but with DLC and incomplete content that is being sold to me due to the developer taking the easy way out and not finishing their game I cannot truly enjoy it, or for that matter even be prepared to compete against the players who have these advantages.

I hope there isn't any a DLC if it isn't free. Unless it's completely optional, it becomes poisonous to the gaming industry.

 

[the8thark]

(disclaimer: ik that more then likely they be the same)
I am sorry not trying to be mean but a lot of the smash fans I see are feeling entitled. No one complains when pokemon has 2 games with EXCLUSIVE pokemon or other games that have a wiiu and a 3ds version having different content on the superior system.

You are aware many developers consider the 3DS to be the superior system due to sales.

And Pokemon is different, it's all on one console. If you want all the pokemon, just buy both games. Not getting a smash character on your game is a big deal as you have to own/buy the other console to play it.

In saying that I'd be ok for console specific DLC so the 3DS can get some wacky gameboy characters and the WiiU can get some characters that the 3DS can't handle technically speaking.

 

[soviet prince]

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea. Given the state on the Wii U, Nintendo doesn't have the right to pull rank on anyone. Sometimes people don't have the time and finances it takes to fully enjoy a block buster titles, so having the full experience on the go to at their convenience is great, especially if you're out on business or tend to travel.

It's not fair of you to expect that everyone falls into the same socioeconomic nich as you do, and that those of us who cannot afford it should just deal with it. Games that do this like Call of Duty and many of the Street Fighter 4 installments prove that fans don't favor being alienated. There are enough odd money grabs that Nintendo is forking over, doing something like offering more characters exclusively to Wii U owners will ultimately backlash.

Be happy with what you have. You can't get what you want all the time.

the irony of the last sentence is that's what I am telling the pro-same ppl, if they don't want to buy a wii u or can not afford it then they should be happy with the version they can afford.

sometimes I just don't think ppl understand how life works, if you want the big shiny thing you got to pay for it and if you can not afford the big shiny thing you get the not so big not shiny thing. I want one of those iphone 5 but I don't have the money so geuss what? I got a old ipod 3 and I understand it's perfectly fine for the ppl who payed for the iphone 5 to have all the cool features.

 

[the8thark]

the irony of the last sentence is that's what I am telling the pro-same ppl, if they don't want to buy a wii u or can not afford it then they should be happy with the version they can afford.

It's up to Nintendo to make the 3DS only SSB players happy with just the 3DS version only. Well in saying that Nintendo could on purpose put in WiiU only features as a way to get some of those people to purchase a WiiU for SSB WiiU. It's one way to advertise but I personally think it's a rather immoral one.

People should not just be happy with the 3DS version just because it's all they have. They should be happy with it because it's a great game in it's own right. I understand that the WiiU version will have something the 3DS one does not cause of all the wiiU hardware power. I think that should be an optional extra and not something that is core to the SSB experience.

 

[D-idara]

(disclaimer: ik that more then likely they be the same)
I am sorry not trying to be mean but a lot of the smash fans I see are feeling entitled. No one complains when pokemon has 2 games with EXCLUSIVE pokemon or other games that have a wiiu and a 3ds version having different content on the superior system.

The argument that not every one has a wii u is just plain bad and whinny, not everyone has a ps4 or xbox1 so do you think sony or Microsoft can’t have ps4 or xbox1 games? The short answer is no because if you don’t have that console you don’t get the game short and simple. Nintendo has every right to have an exclusive characters on the 20$ higher and more powerful WII U and to be honest was a stupid idea for them to every state that they will share a roster in the first place. Thanks to this all SAME roster a lot of ppl are vouching for were prob going to lose ice climbers, have lost Pokemon trainer and any other unique newcomers that could use the mech plus is the real reasons there no more transformations in the game( don’t bring the quote about sakurai saying it’s for balance or whatever that was just an excuse to not go out and confirm that the 3ds held stuff back).

I believe it very fair that the version I pay 20 more bucks for is needed to unlock the remaining characters, I intevsted in there system and deserve the reward of doing such. So in conclusion to summarize this entire block of words for the ppl that have no patience: If you want more character pay the price like the rest of the wiiu owners, if not deal with the cheaper version with less content.

No transformations was likely a product of people who complained about transforming character, not about some arbitrary 'tech limitation' argument you pulled out of nowhere.

Also, the combination of your grammar and your font color make my eyes bleed.

 

[TJ-Works]

Everyone's talking like we already know what the Wii U version will have that's exclusive. We don't know everything because he's been more focused on the 3DS version first.

Just let time pass till we get more info. on Wii U content.

 

[Saikyoshi]

(disclaimer: ik that more then likely they be the same)
I am sorry not trying to be mean but a lot of the smash fans I see are feeling entitled. No one complains when pokemon has 2 games with EXCLUSIVE pokemon

Um... EVERYONE complains about that. Slightly less so nowadays because of the GTS (making them not truly exclusive anymore), but there are still plenty of complaints about that.

*leaves thread due to not having an opinion on anything else*

 

[Superyoshiom]

"Entitled"

I abhor this word. We're the consumers, of course we deserve something.

 

[Second Power]

The Wii U version will presumably have more stages, modes, and just in general be all together more pretty. That should make superior without taking characters away from people who only want the 3DS version.

 

[Booster]

It's true not many people own a Wii U or XboxOne, but PS4's fanbase is rapidly growing

 

[PlayerXIII]

(disclaimer: ik that more then likely they be the same)
I am sorry not trying to be mean but a lot of the smash fans I see are feeling entitled. No one complains when pokemon has 2 games with EXCLUSIVE pokemon or other games that have a wiiu and a 3ds version having different content on the superior system.

The argument that not every one has a wii u is just plain bad and whinny, not everyone has a ps4 or xbox1 so do you think sony or Microsoft can’t have ps4 or xbox1 games? The short answer is no because if you don’t have that console you don’t get the game short and simple. Nintendo has every right to have an exclusive characters on the 20$ higher and more powerful WII U and to be honest was a stupid idea for them to every state that they will share a roster in the first place. Thanks to this all SAME roster a lot of ppl are vouching for were prob going to lose ice climbers, have lost Pokemon trainer and any other unique newcomers that could use the mech plus is the real reasons there no more transformations in the game( don’t bring the quote about sakurai saying it’s for balance or whatever that was just an excuse to not go out and confirm that the 3ds held stuff back).

I believe it very fair that the version I pay 20 more bucks for is needed to unlock the remaining characters, I intevsted in there system and deserve the reward of doing such. So in conclusion to summarize this entire block of words for the ppl that have no patience: If you want more character pay the price like the rest of the wiiu owners, if not deal with the cheaper version with less content.

Your post almost made me lose it and call you every single insult known to mankind. Just so you know that's how angry your post makes some people get.

The thing is, the Wii U ISN'T the 'superior' version here. The 3DS is. The 3DS is the original Smash 4 release. Sakurai and Iwata decided that the 3DS was the only way to possibly evolve the series even further so they had chosen the 3DS INSTEAD of the Wii U to make a Smash game for it. But then Nintendo came along and was like "WELP, WHERE'S MY MONEY MAKER" and asked Sakurai to develop Smash Bros for the Wii U as well. So there you have it. The 3DS is the original version of Smash so you are not, in any way, entitled to claim that the Wii U is the 'superior' version. If it weren't for some money grabbers at Nintendo, you wouldn't even have Smash Wii U and only Smash 3DS.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

Your title is "Why so entitled" and then you say "I believe it very fair that the version I pay 20 more bucks for is needed to unlock the remaining characters, I intevsted in there system and deserve the reward of doing such. So in conclusion to summarize this entire block of words for the ppl that have no patience: If you want more character pay the price like the rest of the wiiu owners, if not deal with the cheaper version with less content."

You don't seem to get the Wii U version literally only exists because he knows that people want to play it on a big screen. Not going to bother finding the article that said it though. Secondly the 3DS has sold over 37 million more units. This means that if one was going to have exclusive content it would be the 3DS.

 

[the8thark]

The thing is, the Wii U ISN'T the 'superior' version here. The 3DS is. The 3DS is the original Smash 4 release. Sakurai and Iwata decided that the 3DS was the only way to possibly evolve the series even further so they had chosen the 3DS INSTEAD of the Wii U to make a Smash game for it. But then Nintendo came along and was like "WELP, WHERE'S MY MONEY MAKER" and asked Sakurai to develop Smash Bros for the Wii U as well. So there you have it. The 3DS is the original version of Smash so you are not, in any way, entitled to claim that the Wii U is the 'superior' version. If it weren't for some money grabbers at Nintendo, you wouldn't even have Smash Wii U and only Smash 3DS.

Do we have any links to them saying this? I think many here would like to hear the words actually used by those 2 on this issue.
I personally have a hard time believing that SSB would never have been on the WiiU as the WiiU needed a big game as a system seller and SSB would be it. You might be right but I have a hard time seeing it.

 

[JoeInky]

I think it's ridiculous that we're losing a character that's been a staple of the smash series for 2 games that represents a (now) unrepped Nintendo franchise, when there's a platform available that's able to handle them, just because of some arbitrary rule about roster parity.

Do we have any links to them saying this? I think many here would like to hear the words actually used by those 2 on this issue.
I personally have a hard time believing that SSB would never have been on the WiiU as the WiiU needed a big game as a system seller and SSB would be it. You might be right but I have a hard time seeing it.

I seem to recall Sakurai was thinking of making it 3DS only because he couldn't think of how he could 'evolve smash on consoles' anymore, which is a bull**** reason if you ask me.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

Do we have any links to them saying this? I think many here would like to hear the words actually used by those 2 on this issue.
I personally have a hard time believing that SSB would never have been on the WiiU as the WiiU needed a big game as a system seller and SSB would be it. You might be right but I have a hard time seeing it.

Sakurai: While the development of Kid Icarus Uprising was coming to an end Satoru Iwata came to ask me to develop the next SSB and asked me if it should be developed on 3DS or Wii U.We arrived to the point where the series couldn't really evolve anymore and we wondered if going handheld was the solution.In the past we raised the number of characters and stages but it wasn't enough.

Around this time we could have chose to develop only a 3DS version, but we realized that there were several limitations.I'm talking about playing a game like SSB on a small screen.So even if it is complicated to develop two versions of the game at the same time, we decided to adapt the Smash Bros experience to the characteristics of both platforms.

Here's the whole thing http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=66318156&postcount=1

 

[D-idara]

Your post almost made me lose it and call you every single insult known to mankind. Just so you know that's how angry your post makes some people get.

The thing is, the Wii U ISN'T the 'superior' version here. The 3DS is. The 3DS is the original Smash 4 release. Sakurai and Iwata decided that the 3DS was the only way to possibly evolve the series even further so they had chosen the 3DS INSTEAD of the Wii U to make a Smash game for it. But then Nintendo came along and was like "WELP, WHERE'S MY MONEY MAKER" and asked Sakurai to develop Smash Bros for the Wii U as well. So there you have it. The 3DS is the original version of Smash so you are not, in any way, entitled to claim that the Wii U is the 'superior' version. If it weren't for some money grabbers at Nintendo, you wouldn't even have Smash Wii U and only Smash 3DS.

Yeah, because making a Smash Bros. game for the company's main home-console is because of a moneygrab, are you even listening to yourself?

 

[JoeInky]

Your post almost made me lose it and call you every single insult known to mankind. Just so you know that's how angry your post makes some people get.

The thing is, the Wii U ISN'T the 'superior' version here. The 3DS is. The 3DS is the original Smash 4 release. Sakurai and Iwata decided that the 3DS was the only way to possibly evolve the series even further so they had chosen the 3DS INSTEAD of the Wii U to make a Smash game for it. But then Nintendo came along and was like "WELP, WHERE'S MY MONEY MAKER" and asked Sakurai to develop Smash Bros for the Wii U as well. So there you have it. The 3DS is the original version of Smash so you are not, in any way, entitled to claim that the Wii U is the 'superior' version. If it weren't for some money grabbers at Nintendo, you wouldn't even have Smash Wii U and only Smash 3DS.

Come on now, that's just personal preference masquerading as fact.

Even if smash 3DS is the 'original version' (even though they apparently decided to do both versions before development even started, so that whole argument is moot), the WiiU version exists and it exists with better control options, better song selection, HD visuals, no performance compromises and no massively high entry barrier to local multiplayer with your friends (y' know, the entire thing smash is based around, good luck asking your friends to come round and play smash with you if none of them own a 3DS). I would say a better stage selection as well but that's yet to be seen, the 3DS stage selection is awful though.

 

[PlayerXIII]

Okay, I came off as saying the 3DS is superior but the fact still stands - the Wii U version wasn't orignally meant to be. And that this guy feels entitled to grab more characters because he pays some extra cash to grab the Wii U version when Sakurai's original vision is the 3DS version still ticks me off. For the record, I have a 3DS and I have a Wii U. I'm getting both games on release day and my friends are only getting the 3DS version. I'm the only one among them getting the Wii U version. I don't feel entitled to anything because of that - only better graphics, sound and, of course, more content due to disk space. But not anything involving core gameplay - characters included.

 

[D-idara]

Come on now, that's just personal preference masquerading as fact.

Even if smash 3DS is the 'original version' (even though they apparently decided to do both versions before development even started, so that whole argument is moot), the WiiU version exists and it exists with better control options, better song selection, HD visuals, no performance compromises and no massively high entry barrier to local multiplayer with your friends (y' know, the entire thing smash is based around, good luck asking your friends to come round and play smash with you if none of them own a 3DS). I would say a better stage selection as well but that's yet to be seen, the 3DS stage selection is awful though.

Rainbow Road, Reset Bomb Forest, N's Castle, Lumiose City, Tortimer's Island, Arena Ferox, Spirit Tracks, Gerudo Valley, 3D Land...the 3DS so far has much more relevant and iconic locations than the Wii U version. For iconic locations, the Wii U's only got Super Mario Galaxy so far.

 

[JoeInky]

Rainbow Road, Reset Bomb Forest, N's Castle, Lumiose City, Tortimer's Island, Arena Ferox, Spirit Tracks, Gerudo Valley, 3D Land...the 3DS so far has much more relevant and iconic locations than the Wii U version. For iconic locations, the Wii U's only got Super Mario Galaxy so far.

That's why I said I'm waiting to see what the WiiU's stage list is.

I was really excited to see the stage list for both games when they announced they'd be focusing on handheld stages for 3DS and console stages for WiiU.

A Metroid Fusion stage! a Mario Land 2 stage! a WarioLand stage! Star Fox Command, Pokemon RBY/GSC/RSE, Pokemon Pinball, Dillon's Rolling Western, Steel Diver, Donkey Kong Land, Mario and Luigi RPGs, my mind was full of possibilities for great locations from handheld games.

Instead we got a load of **** from newer games that isn't iconic at all to me (really don't care about Reset Bomb Forest, N's Castle, Lumiose City, Tortimer's Island or Arena Ferox, these aren't 'iconic' to me, they're just locations that I barely remember fro games I've most recently played), 10 stages from previous games (most of which were already reused in Brawl anyway, there isn't a single 64 stage there) and 3 that they just took wholesale from the WiiU version.

For me, the stage list in the 3DS version is the worst part of the game.


Way too much focus on newer games, regardless of their quality compared to other entries in the franchise. You made a Paper Mario stage and you picked one based on sticker star? seriously?

And 3 autoscrolling mario platformer stages? just boring.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

People will find anything to complain at, you can't please the masses.

 

[Reila]

and the 3ds like it or not is the inferior version

Shake my head.

 

[Violenceman]

If you are going to make a thread calling people out for acting entitled, it's probably not a wise idea to spend half your initial post talking about the things you deserve to have. Just an FYI.

On topic, I think they made the right move here. The two games are going to have a LOT of exclusive content (stages, modes, music, trophies, collectibles, etc.) and plenty of inter-connective features too, as an incentive to get both versions. But those features are all things I feel most of Nintendo's base would consider non-vital. Things that would be great to have, but if you can't get both versions, it's okay.

Characters are the one area that I think would be a big sore spot for people. The one factor that would make it feel like Nintendo was really dragging them over the coals for to force people to get both versions. Obviously for hardcore Smash fans such as ourselves, we plan to get both versions (well, most of us), but Nintendo will have a lot of people who may not have that option (namely kids and teens, who will rely on their parents for access to consoles and may not be able to get both). I get your point of "if you want it all, spend the cash", but this fairy sizable demographic of Nintendo/Smash fans aren't going to have that kind of disposable income available to them to even make that choice.

This is the smartest business move for Nintendo. Make people want to want both games, but don't force them to feel like they NEED both games.

 

[JoeInky]

My only annoyance is the removal of Ice Climbers, I don't care about the WiiU having 5 extra characters or whatever just because it's the more expensive version, but Ice Climbers have been cut due to limitations of the 3DS, there's literally no other explanation why a starter of the last two games would be cut so don't try to argue about time limits or "b-but they did Rosalina! even though it's notactually the same thing at all!", the WiiU doesn't have those limitations, it shouldn't be held back from being a better game just because of the 3DS, the 3DS and WiiU versions are supposed to be 4 & 5 respectively, right? Certainly doesn't feel like it.


I don't mind the 3DS version existing, it's fine for people who want a portable smash, but for me the moment the WiiU version releases is when the 3DS version becomes a dust collector and the idea of roster parity is something I find incredibly annoying, I'm never going to see the roster for either version as complete without Ice Climbers.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

The 3DS and WiiU versions are supposed to be 4 & 5 respectively, right? Certainly doesn't feel like it.

This has definitely given me a new perspective. I for one haven't looked at it is two different games. If it is supposed to be 4 & 5 respectively, then I would be a little more inclined to the idea of having exclusives.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

My only annoyance is the removal of Ice Climbers, I don't care about the WiiU having 5 extra characters or whatever just because it's the more expensive version, but Ice Climbers have been cut due to limitations of the 3DS, there's literally no other explanation why a starter of the last two games would be cut so don't try to argue about time limits or "b-but they did Rosalina! even though it's notactually the same thing at all!", the WiiU doesn't have those limitations, it shouldn't be held back from being a better game just because of the 3DS.

While I agree I don't like the removal of Ice Climbers I highly doubt it's due to it being on the 3ds. If the gamecube could handle the ice climbers then the 3ds could also. Just another weird cut by Sakurai for some unknown reason. Might still be in, we'll know on the 13th. And even then there's still DLC.