every one should come back

[vesperview]

Pichu is unique. He hurts himself..

You say it like it's a good thing, that SUCKS!

 

[vydran212]

Absolutely. Pichu is basically Pikachu. Why have him come back when Sakurai promised no more clones?

Let's move away from the Pokemon topic though. Dr. Mario, Marth, Roy, Ness- I have a feeling that these won't make the cut either...

 

[vesperview]

Pichu is a poor man's Pikachu, he sucks!

 

[Bassoonist]

Pichu is unique. He hurts himself. What other character could really pull something like that off while staying in character?

And he doesn't have to be a clone of Pikachu any more than Falco has to be a clone of Fox.

I don't remember that being Pichu's "character" in the games. Sorry.

As a character he isn't unique. His moveset isn't unique either. He just doesn't deserve to be back in. There are far more unique characters that could take his place. Just look at Pokemon Trainer. Wouldn't you rather have unique characters like that rather than useless filler characters like Pichu?

 

[C.Olimar788]

Absolutely. Pichu is basically Pikachu. Why have him come back when Sakurai promised no more clones?

Let's move away from the Pokemon topic though. Dr. Mario, Marth, Roy, Ness- I have a feeling that these won't make the cut either...

Marth and Ness... I can almost understand Ness, but why wouldn't Marth return? Marth has unique moves, has appeared in the most games of any Fire Emblem character (feel free to fact check me there), and is even getting his game remade for the DS.

And doesn't Lucas have enough unique moves to not be a clone of Ness? After all, Ness is the main character of the only MOTHER game to appear in the US.

 

[Cinder]

Pichu is unique. He hurts himself.

Umm, yeeeeeeaaaahh...that's a bad thing...

What other character could really pull something like that off while staying in character?

Thankfully, no one...and if anyone does, may they be cursed to never appear in Brawl...

And he doesn't have to be a clone of Pikachu any more than Falco has to be a clone of Fox.

Falco can be redone...and he deserves a spot...Pichu could be redone, but it wouldn't be in character...and it doesn't deserve a Brawl spot as much as Falco does...

 

[vydran212]

Marth and Ness... I can almost understand Ness, but why wouldn't Marth return? Marth has unique moves, has appeared in the most games of any Fire Emblem character (feel free to fact check me there), and is even getting his game remade for the DS.

And doesn't Lucas have enough unique moves to not be a clone of Ness? After all, Ness is the main character of the only MOTHER game to appear in the US.

Well, Lucas seems to have taken Ness's B moves. That's clearly not merit for Ness not returning, but Sakurai has expressed interest in Lucas taking Ness's place even in Super Smash Brothers Melee. He couldn't the first time...maybe he's trying to do it again this time?

And as for Marth...I don't know. 1. He's another male swordsman, which we have plenty of. 2. I feel like having Marth in this game would create the Marth-Roy complex from Melee all over again. Sakurai told us that he's trying to avoid clones, and I honestly don't know how they'd be able to change Marth's moveset.

 

[Bassoonist]

And as for Marth...I don't know. 1. He's another male swordsman, which we have plenty of. 2. I feel like having Marth in this game would create the Marth-Roy complex from Melee all over again. Sakurai told us that he's trying to avoid clones, and I honestly don't know how they'd be able to change Marth's moveset.

They don't need to change Marth's moveset. It's already different than Ike's. Ike and Marth are very different in how they play, as well.

 

[Roy-Kun]

In my oppinion, Pichu and Dr. Mario got the worst chances of returning, followed by Roy and Young Link.

The rest can return.

 

[vydran212]

Okay, perhaps, but the same concepts are there: heck, Ike's B-Down is a counter, just like Marth's and Roys. From what I can perceive, Ike seems to be a blend of Marth and Roy from the last game, so I honestly have problems seeing Marth returning. I'd need a big rehash of Marth's style of fighting, which is something that I don't foresee Sakurai and crew doing.

 

[Bassoonist]

Okay, perhaps, but the same concepts are there: heck, Ike's B-Down is a counter, just like Marth's and Roys. From what I can perceive, Ike seems to be a blend of Marth and Roy from the last game, so I honestly have problems seeing Marth returning. I'd need a big rehash of Marth's style of fighting, which is something that I don't foresee Sakurai and crew doing.

So? There are a lot of moves that work alike in the games. There's quite a few shield like moves, there's Pikachu's skull bash that worked similar to a few other moves of different characters, oh, and don't forget Luigi.

 

[NukeA6]

Okay, perhaps, but the same concepts are there: heck, Ike's B-Down is a counter, just like Marth's and Roys. From what I can perceive, Ike seems to be a blend of Marth and Roy from the last game, so I honestly have problems seeing Marth returning. I'd need a big rehash of Marth's style of fighting, which is something that I don't foresee Sakurai and crew doing.

Marth is fast and fights in a rapier-style (at least in his game). He has a sweet-spot at the tip of his sword. Also, Ike does not have Shield-Breaker, Dancing Sword, or the Dolphin Slash as B moves.

If Marth has no chance then we would have seen Leaf or Sigurd in Melee.

 

[Roy-Kun]

^ Leaf? I'd prefer Celice, if you don't mind.

So? There are a lot of moves that work alike in the games. There's quite a few shield like moves, there's Pikachu's skull bash that worked similar to a few other moves of different characters, oh, and don't forget Luigi.

And Ike's Aether works pretty much like Kirby's Final Cutter. I agree with ya.

Since we don't really know how Ike's "Counter" works, maybe it will be different from Marth's and Roy's, maybe he will recover Damage instead? I know, I'm sounding crazy, but I thought on a way it might work: The timing must be really good, even more than Roy's Counter.

That works?

 

[vydran212]

Yeah, that's true. I still need something conclusive though to make me believe that Marth's getting in. I have these questions still floating through my mind:

1. When do we begin to have too many male sword-users: we have Link, Ike, Pit, Metaknight, and possibly Ganondorf.
2. Do Marth and Ike look too similar? Obviously that's not a reason alone to keep someone out of the game, but for a casual gamer, this could get confusing.
3. As far as Fire Emblem goes, how many reps are gonna show? Are they only gonna go with two? If so, will Sakurai really pass on Micaiah or Black Knight, two more characters of interest, for Marth?
4. As far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong) Marth only attacks using a sword. Would having two characters that only use special sword attacks really be in favor of keeping each character unique?

Convince me, guys. CONVINCE MEH!

 

[Wolfgang457]

The only one I feel that truly lacks the ability to be unique is pichu since in melee he was what he was, and if they brought back Roy I would be a bit disappointed because I feel there are plenty more interesting FE characters. But if they could uniquify everyone I wouldn't mind seeing them again. But as everyone has said Roy, Pichu, and Doc definitely seem like the most likely cuts.

 

[Roy-Kun]

The only one I feel that truly lacks the ability to be unique is pichu since in melee he was what he was, and if they brought back Roy I would be a bit disappointed because I feel there are plenty more interesting FE characters. But if they could uniquify everyone I wouldn't mind seeing them again. But as everyone has said Roy, Pichu, and Doc definitely seem like the most likely cuts.

And Young Link, at least to return in that form (ahem... Wind Waker Link).

But I say that between those three you mentioned, Roy got better chances of returning.

And please, keep the Black Knight OUT of the Playable roster, i'd prefer seeing him as a boss.

 

[Mad555]

i can tell you this its a definite no for pichu(but yes maybe as a pokeball),dr.mario ( alt coustume for mario),
and sadly roy(could be ike's alt costume).....

and no for g&w and for me a definet NO to jigglypuff

 

[Bassoonist]

Except we already know that they aren't alternate costumes.

Mr. Game and Watch and Jigglypuff have a lot better chance of returning than you think.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Everyone SHOULD return, but not everyone WILL return.

 

[Cinder]

i can tell you this its a definite no for pichu(but yes maybe as a pokeball),dr.mario ( alt coustume for mario),
and sadly roy(could be ike's alt costume).....

and no for g&w and for me a definet NO to jigglypuff

Dude, learn to spell and use proper English...you know where the "Tires don Exits" shirt came from, right?

And why not G&W/Jiggs? They were unique characters, and should return...

 

[axemangx]

Anyway...why do people want EVERYONE to come back...I swear if Pichu comes back and Lucario doesn't get in...

I pronounce Cinder405, changer of topics into kittens.

 

[Cinder]

I pronounce Cinder405, changer of topics into kittens.

And don't forget teh CHOWDERZ!!!

But seriously...Pichu>Lucario? This makes me LOL...

I see Pichu (duh), Doc *sniff*, and Roy going...and maybe YLink...

 

[Mad555]

And please, keep the Black Knight OUT of the Playable roster, i'd prefer seeing him as a boss.[/QUOTE]

i would like him to be both

 

[Roy-Kun]

i would like him to be both

I think that making all the focus of the Fire Emblem series to be on Fire Emblem 9/10 only would be a mistake by part of Sakurai, and an offense to the Fire Emblem fans.

With Ike as rep for FE9/10 is enough, Marth and Sigurd would be excellent, and with Roy... maybe better, but with the first three is enough.

 

[Chepe]

People who want Pichu back check out the Pikachu subpage. If you enter the "In Depth Pikachu Review" thread, you will notice that Pichu isnt as gone as you think....

Sakurai seems to be adding some properties of deleted clones into their "original". Mario is getting some of Doc's moves and probably knockback from the sound of it, and Pikachu is getting some of Pichu's move properties. Pichu isnt completely gone - like the thread says, he evolved lol!

 

[d0c926]

I am sorry but not everybody coming back
Roy: Replace by Ike
Doctor Mario: Probaly costume of Mario
Pichu: was a mess, probaly is getting replace by Lucario or some other pokemon
Ness: i think Lucas got his spot, unless they give Ness brand new moveset
Mewto: fix him (more attack or more speed) or just leave him
Marth: kinda neutral on him, but i want FE character that doesn't use a sword
Mr Game and Watch: he was fun i want him back and other wtf character to go with him
Sheik: i want her to return

 

[ThoraxeRMG]

All expect Pichu,Doc,.

Fixed, Young Link also, Roy should stay, but with a new moveset.

 

[vydran212]

Pichu and Dr. Mario are in the game!

Pichu just evolved into Pikachu...and Dr. Mario's working undercover in a plumber suit o_O Heheh....?

 

[Bassoonist]

Fixed, Young Link also, Roy should stay, but with a new moveset.

What makes you think that's going to happen?

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Roy return. Things don't look good, though. He doesn't deserve to return either. Don't expect it.

 

[Roy-Kun]

What makes you think that's going to happen?

Honestly, I'd LOVE to see Roy return. Things don't look good, though. He doesn't deserve to return either. Don't expect it.

Roy has his chances to return though, even if they are slim, he has them.

I'd like to see Roy back, to see the 4 most popular Lords in the Brawl scenario (Marth, Sigurd, Roy and Ike).

 

[EggBomb]

Pichu isn't a bad character, he provides the user a challenge to win with. It forces you to think about the moves you use, while avoiding get hit. You just need to be good at the game (atleast in non tourney play) to win with Pichu.

My argument isn't that Pichu should be in the game over a new character, like Lucario, but that having clones in the game doesn't hurt anyone and provides the game with more option and depth. Clones don't take away from the game, they only add to it. If we didn't have clones in Melee, then we would've had only 19 characters (18 if you count Luigi) instead of 25.

How do you know that clones "take away from deserving character space" rather then add to it? It didn't work that way in Melee. To me clones are cool extras that we don't necessarily need, but it is cool to have in the game...like trophies.

 

[Bassoonist]

Actually I'm pretty sure there were going to be characters, but they put in clones instead because of time constraints.

They add to the game? Whatever. I would have been happy with the roster without clones. I'd much rather have that space be filled with characters that have unique movesets.