every one should come back

[SonicOfDarkness]

ok every one should come back just for the hell of it just make them have diffent moves thats all all new people are off the chain in all but for real think about it

 

[Cinder]

That would imply that PICHU should return...Gimme an F...gimme an A...gimme an I...gimme an L...what does it spell? FAIL!

Now that that's out of the way...I declare this the Official Clam Chowder Discussion Thread v2.0...
Discuss...

Mmmmmmm....

 

[raphtmarqui]

All expect Pichu,Doc, and Roy.

 

[Cinder]

All expect Pichu,Doc, and Roy.

Yeah, sounds about right to me...I'm gonna miss Doc, though

So, let's begin the Clam Chowder discussion shall we? Or would you prefer to talk about kittens?

 

[Zevox]

Should? No, not quite - even under ideal circumstances, Pichu at the absolute least absolutely needs to go.

But regardless of what we feel should happen, not all the characters are coming back. Sakurai was quite specific of this in his journal:

"Sorry. I'm not very smart but I can't tell a lie so I'm just going to write it.
As for the previous game's characters, some of them will disappear. Definitely.

Thats all there is to it - Sakurai confirmed it very unambiguously, so thats whats happening, like it or not. I only hope he and I agree on which categories of characters are superfluous enough to warrant removal.

Zevox

 

[axemangx]

Some may go.

Some may stay.

Have a cookie.

 

[vydran212]

Oooh, cookie!! *munch munch munch*

 

[Bassoonist]

No, they shouldn't. There are pointless characters like Dr. Mario and Pichu that should have NEVER made it. We need as many unique characters in Brawl as we can get, and removing those pointless characters would help.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Of course everyone should return. Some as pokeballs (Pichu), assist trophies (Roy), and alt. costumes (Ness and Dr. Mario). Everyone else should return as playable.

 

[Voyager]

and alt. costumes (Ness and Dr. Mario).

After all, Lucas will just be a Ness clone, as proven by countless pics.

(this is sarcasm n stuff)

 

[Cinder]

Oooh, cookie!! *munch munch munch*

Anyway...why do people want EVERYONE to come back...I swear if Pichu comes back and Lucario doesn't get in...

 

[Bassoonist]

After all, Lucas will just be a Ness clone, as proven by countless pics.

That picture sure looks a lot like Ness's side A smash.

 

[Terrabottuti]

It would be great if EVERYONE came back, since Melee had a pretty nice lineup... but Sakurai himself said that not all characters would return, and that he was also sorting out the issue clone characters, so I think there's a very small amount of people that are doomed.

In fact, there's already proof of this happening, since Pikachu has some of Pichu's awesome costumes, and Mario has taken Dr. Mario's unique air punch attack... other than that though, I'm sure there's a lot of characters that are actually safe. I'm pretty confident in Ness and Ganondorf's chances, myself.

 

[Rex+]

I wouldn't mind alternate colors of old characters, just as long as the bad clones aren't playable.
That means you, Pichu.

 

[Doodx]

yeah pichu and doc are out but if ice climbers got in i hope roy can get in as well!

 

[Voyager]

That picture sure looks a lot like Ness's side A smash.

the lack of logic... it hurts...

its a snake...

one hand...

it was a grapple move in the game...

hes not swinging it...

its a snake...

*brain implodes*

 

[Bassoonist]

the lack of logic... it hurts...

its a snake...

one hand...

hes not swinging it...

its a snake...

*brain implodes*

It's a snake?

OH NO!

You think I didn't recognize that?

If Lucas were to replace Ness do you think he'd use the yo yo? It's just me thinking that maybe that snake like thing is replacing Ness's yo you. From somebody's description of how it works it sounds to me like it could work like Ness's yo yo. (notice the emphasize on could.)

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

After all, Lucas will just be a Ness clone, as proven by countless pics.

Since when in the hell was the rope-snake a move?

 

[Voyager]

Sorry, i didnt realise you meant the yo-yo. Still, the rope snake is a grapple type move, not an offensive one.

 

[Terrabottuti]

That picture sure looks a lot like Ness's side A smash.

Er, I can't see where you're getting THAT logic from... Ness's smash attack is a swing of his trusty baseball bat, and if you've ever swung a baseball bat before, you'd know that it requires two hands and needs to be swung quickly in a sideways motion.

The Rope Snake Lucas is using is held with one hand and he is shown to be kneeling. I haven't played Mother 3, but I happen to know that this is a stretchy fellow that can grab onto ledges... I'd say the Rope Snake is doing all of the movement itself, unless the kneeling motion Lucas does is quick enough for it to crack like a whip.
Either way, the snake is moving straight ahead, which suggests it's more of a grabbing move than a damaging one, especially with the previously mentioned history of grabbing ledges.

By the way, I don't think any of Ness's moves show him to be kneeling like how Lucas is doing in that picture. Not even his Yo-Yo move or anything, so this makes the snake completely unique.

 

[NukeA6]

Pichu should never return. Ever.

 

[Bassoonist]

Oh gosh... it's the baseball bat?

Yeah, I don't play Ness that much. I just know it looks like the yo yo move Ness has.

Well I'm not against Ness being in Brawl, in fact I'd like to see him. I'm just saying we won't know anything until Lucas's special moves are revealed on the Dojo... whenever that may be.

 

[Voyager]

By the way, I don't think any of Ness's moves show him to be kneeling like how Lucas is doing in that picture. Not even his Yo-Yo move or anything, so this makes the snake completely unique.

Actually, his yo-yo does involve him kneeling like that

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Sorry, i didnt realise you meant the yo-yo. Still, the rope snake is a grapple type move, not an offensive one.

The rope-snake has yet to be confirmed as a move, like I said and you ignored.

 

[Doodx]

it can be a grapple move but look at the way hes holding it it can also be like a smash move if it flyies on you

 

[GenocideMachine]

I don't want everyone to come back because Sheik doesn't need to be in Brawl. **** Sheik. Sheik is an incredibly lame character in Ocarina of Time and the only reason people play her in Melee is because she's high tier. Sakurai should nerf her into bottom tier so I can get satisfaction.

 

[Terrabottuti]

Actually, his yo-yo does involve him kneeling like that

Actually, you're right... I just looked at it myself and there is a bit of kneeling involved. However, I'd be very surprised if the Rope Snake was a reskin of the yo-yo since they are both completely different in how they work. Besides, the picture shows the snake going a lot further than the yo-yo ever could, plus it's too high up to be a down smash.

I don't see what's so impossible about an item that was used for grabbing, being used in a game as a grab move... they need more people to use this new tether grab technique anyway.

 

[Okysho]

ok every one should come back just for the hell of it just make them have diffent moves thats all all new people are off the chain in all but for real think about it

everyone pretty much IS comming back... did you see that update about the ice climbers? That kinda spells it out for you...

 

[Cinder]

I don't want everyone to come back because Sheik doesn't need to be in Brawl. **** Sheik. Sheik is an incredibly lame character in Ocarina of Time and the only reason people play her in Melee is because she's high tier. Sakurai should nerf her into bottom tier so I can get satisfaction.

You should be punished for your Sheik hatred...to hell with you!

Sheik is awesome! She's a great character, and Zelda's alter ego...they go hand in hand...I think Sheik should be in...I just don't wanna see Pichu >_<...

 

[C.Olimar788]

I really don't get the people who insist that Pichu needs to go over any other Melee character. At least Pichu has a lot of potential, what being a representative of "baby" Pokemon and with the whole hurt himself with some moves thing. Characters like Dr. Mario or Roy seem much less important.

But if I had it my way, all characters would return. Each one has a fanbase, each one has a bunch of people who play him/her.

 

[Cinder]

I really don't get the people who insist that Pichu needs to go over any other Melee character.

Cuz Lucario should get in instead...six Pokemon reps is pushing it...

At least Pichu has a lot of potential, what being a representative of "baby" Pokemon

By that basis, Riolu, Azurill, Magby, Mime Jr., Smoochum, etc. etc. can get in

and with the whole hurt himself with some moves thing.

You act like that's a good thing...

Characters like Dr. Mario or Roy seem much less important.

 

[EggBomb]

I really don't get why all the characters can't come back. I know they aren't, but I'd really like to see them all back in the game. Some of the clones could even have tweaked movesets. Clones don't take anything away from the game and just give us more options, what's not to like about that?

Regardless, I hope all the characters that get the cut manage to show up somehow.

 

[Bassoonist]

If we have to have a "baby" Pokemon represent, why can't it be something other than an electric rat?

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

Pichu, Doc, and Roy are sure to leave. Young Link will probably be changed significantly. Marth, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Mr. G&W and Falco will return, don't know why people doubt them. Ness and Sheik... well there's no reason to remove them, but a lot of people seem to think they'll get cut/replaced. And I think pretty much everyone agrees that Captain Falcon and Luigi will come back.

 

[C.Olimar788]

Cuz Lucario should get in instead...six Pokemon reps is pushing it...

Six... Pokemon? Let's see... Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Pichu, Mewtwo, and Lucario. That's five. Seems adequate for Nintendo's second most popular franchise. *shrugs* Who else who isn't already confirmed as a Poke Ball should get in over Pichu?

Oh, yeah, Jigglypuff. *slaps self for a stupid mistake* Six seems good, though, or at least, to me. Mario can get seven, and LOZ can get five.

I do agree that Pichu is bottom priority to the rest of the Pokemon I mentioned, though.

 

[Cinder]

Six... Pokemon? Let's see... Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Pichu, Mewtwo, and Lucario. That's five. Seems adequate for Nintendo's second most popular franchise. *shrugs* Who else who isn't already confirmed as a Poke Ball should get in over Pichu?

Pichu>Jiggs? No...just...NO!

 

[EggBomb]

I am fully aware that not every character will come back. I think they should though, because in the end they don't take anything away from the game. I don't think that a clone character requires nearly as much time to implement into the game as a newer character would (design and programming wise), so I fail to see how including a clone is a "waste of a character spot"


Pichu is a good character. I think only people that know what they are doing can play him well.

Pichu does hurt himself and does die very easily. This means to be good with him, you NEED to know what you're doing. You have to make sure to every move count while not getting hit. Pichu is a challenging character to play as and does add more dimension to the game. In no way does Pichu take away from the game.

 

[vesperview]

Pika, Jiggs, PT, Mewtwo and Lucario, enough for me.

 

[Bassoonist]

Eggbomb, the reason we don't want Pichu in is because he doesn't deserve the spot. There are more unique Pokemon that could fill his spot. He was nothing but a filler character in Melee.

 

[C.Olimar788]

Eggbomb, the reason we don't want Pichu in is because he doesn't deserve the spot. There are more unique Pokemon that could fill his spot. He was nothing but a filler character in Melee.

Pichu is unique. He hurts himself. What other character could really pull something like that off while staying in character?

And he doesn't have to be a clone of Pikachu any more than Falco has to be a clone of Fox.